1. Mad Dog says:

    “because he has only ever managed by press conference.”

    Other than the back door tax refund, the hidden land deal, and the lie to change the flag, what has Sonny done in advance to prevent a problem?

    He’s not only a press conference prima donna, but he’s a manage by crisis governor.

    Like SpaceyG said, more or less, if it ain’t a sexy problem, it won’t get solved.


  2. Dang, if I had known Mark Taylor would outlaw droughts I would have voted for him. You should have told us during the campaign that if we elected the Big Guy rain would pour down from the heavens.

  3. ToddH says:

    WTF? What does any of this have to do with Mark Taylor? There was a plan and Perdue sat on it. But, to preempt the coming arguments, let’s say there wasn’t a plan and all that talk is smoke and mirrors, then why didn’t Perdue do anything, anything at all to deal with the looming problem?

  4. Bobby Kahn says:

    That would be mis-manage by crisis, Mad Dog. As mentioned in previous posts, the General Assembly created the Metropolitan North Georgia Water Planning District in 2001. Governor Perdue had a plan waiting for him when he took office. He wanted to study it.

    Having done nothing, he is reduced to criticizing everyone — his fellow GOP Governors, the federal government and the media. I’m sure he’ll throw the legislature in there at some point too. Speaking of which, as I noted in Erick’s thread, though it pains me to admit it, Sen. Eric Johnson understands this issue. Is Sonny talking to him?

  5. Look, Bobby is saying we’re running out of water because of Perdue so it’s safe to assume he thinks if Mark Taylor had been elected we would have plenty of water.

    Blaming this crisis on Perdue is as stupid as Harry Reid saying the Cali wildfires are a result of global warming. I guess Harry hasn’t heard they’re arresting arsonists left and right out there.

    The reason we’re running out of water is:

    1) We’re experiencing a historic lack of rain.
    2) Our lakes and rivers provide water for three States and we’ve been fighting with these States over this water for decades.
    3) Our State continues to grow in population rapidly.

    We need more reservoirs pure and simple. We’ve needed more reservoirs for years. Maybe now the Environmentalists will understand our State’s need for more reservoirs. Maybe Alabama and Florida will build their own reservoirs and not rely so much on water from Georgia but, to try to make this an issue to attack Sonny over is hyper-partisanship at it’s worst.

  6. Bobby Kahn says:

    Buzz, you are engaging in Sonny-logic. Sadly, the problem goes back to Sonny’s failure to act when he first took office. Or for any of his first term.

    Now, had Mark Taylor been elected, we would hot have had plenty of water, but we would have initiative and leadership.

  7. Mike Hauncho says:

    Too bad the only thing Bobby Kahn has to do anymore is complain about Republicans. Work to solve the problam, not point fingers.

  8. YourFutureLeader says:

    Buzz I believe it was Gov. Barnes who had a plan laid out for Georgia to build more resovoirs, but that was abandoned. Also is this drought as bad as the one in 77? I think the water level was actually lower then but I wasnt alive so I cant confirm that. Also you are right in the fact that our pop has boomed, which is why our unchecked and illplanned growth is the major cause of this crisis. Georgia’s Leadership has been asleep at the wheel for decades now.

  9. TM2000 says:

    Ladies and gentlemen, in historic times like this I strongly feel that we need to start considering desalination.

  10. GAWire says:

    Bobby, actually Buzz is correct not because he’s a some environmental expert or boy genious, but because he is a logically minded person and not a clueless whiner like yourself. I have just been waiting for someone to make the drought political and blame it on the GOP. Apparently, you found a story that could be twisted and molded enough to fit your retarded claim. Sad.

  11. Doug Deal says:


    If we had more nuclear power, it would be a lot more feasible. The estimated cost for desalinated water is about $1 per m^3, which is 1,000 L or 250 gallons. On a raw material basis, it is about 0.4 cents per gallon, or the average person (using 100 gallons a day) would spend $0.40 a day on water, or $12 a month. This does not include transportation and treatment costs which is what your monthly bill is.

    If i remember correctly, a rule of thumb is that pumping water to a level 1 mile high or 1000 miles over flat terain will cost as much as desalination. So, ATL being 200 miles from the ocean and 1000 feet above sea level, would you would have to add a factor of 1000/5000 + 200/1000 = 40 percent to the cost, making it a total of about $17/month (12 + 5).

    Yes, thats not a free raw material cost like ground water, but my average water bill is $15 per person (including sewer), so for double the cost of the nearly free water utility we currently have, we could have an unlimited supply of water from the ocean.

  12. Rick Day says:

    Bobby I’m with you on this one.

    Per-no-do reminds me of the Charles Durning governor character in BLWIT, dancin’ his little side-step.

    Impeach him. Now. To punish consumers for governmental mis-management is tantamount to a voilation of oath.

    He will only wish Tax Jesus ™ was on his ass, once this is over.

  13. Rick Day says:

    Bobby I’m with you on this one.

    Per-no-do reminds me of the Charles Durning governor character in BLWIT, dancin’ his little side-step.

    Impeach him. Now. To punish consumers for governmental mis-management is tantamount to a violation of oath.

    He will only wish Tax Jesus ™ was on his ass, once this is over.

  14. Rick A. says:

    The problem is far more complicated than “the Gov didn’t do his job”. The 33 county metro Atlanta area, and the municipalities within them, have uniformly passed pro-growth policies for as long as I can remember. With that kind of push for industrial growth, and the concommitant residential growth, is it any wonder that we now have more mouths at the tap than we can provide for during this kind of drought?

    The EPD can’t be left out of the blame either.

    Almost three years ago, I attended a meeting with the EPD to discuss our county’s water situation and potential solutions should a drought event like the one we are now experiencing ever occur. I posed the hypothetical scenario of the county building a reservoir with no state or federal funds, filling the reservoir over a period of years so as not to negatively impact minimum flow rates to our neighbors to our south, and asked if we could utilize the water in the reservior for our county’s needs. Their resounding answer was “not one drop”.

    And therein lies but one reason why we haven’t accomplished one meaningful thing to prevent significant water shortages in the future.

    BTW, if the northern counties used the same logic that Sonny is now using with FL and AL, we could be hoarding the water that originates in our hills for our own use without regard for Atlanta or anyone else to our south…but that wouldn’t be very neighborly would it?

    Instead, we are preaching water conservation at every breath, even though we are in pretty good water shape, just so everyone else downstream might be able to survive.

    Let’s just hope that the silver lining of this drought will be substantial changes to the way we think about water management in this state. That will be our only hope.

  15. Brian Laurens says:

    Weren’t we in a recession when Sonny took office? Where exactly would this money had come from Bobby?

  16. Bill,

    I said how the water problem can be fixed. Thankfully the Lt. Governor and the Speaker are proposing the same thing and not trying to score cheap political points like Mr. Kahn.

  17. ondichliberty88 says:

    I say all sides quit bickering and fix this water problem and prevent it from happening again. I have a plan:
    Build the reservoirs
    Make water saving faucets and plumbing mandatory in construction of all new residential and commerical areas.
    Create tax cuts, tax refunds and other incentives to encourage businesses and homeowners to participate in water conservation.
    Allow private sector businesses to bid on contracts to build the new reserviors.
    This plan will prevent future water shortages and water wars with other states. It will encourge Water Conservation without being an excessive expenditure to homeowners and businesses. It will also more of a public-private sector partnership into the reserviors construction and maitence without being a tax burden to Georgia taxpyers. Finally it will make water conservation a norm to prevent a similar crisis from happening again years from now.

  18. Bill Simon says:


    Oh, okay. 10% of your post is the statement of the obvious, and the rest is some drivel about Mark Taylor.

    But, thank goodness we’re never going to have to worry about gay marriages in THIS state, eh?

    The point is, Buzz, that the GOP in this state, led by Sonny Perdue and folks like the Georgia Right to Life butt-kissers don’t really have much of a clue when it comes to future planning of our most basic elements of survival, whether it be water or any other type of infrastructure.

    But, thank goodness we’re safe from gay marriage, eh Buzz? Thank goodness the time and resources of state government were invested in THAT endeavor, eh, Buzz?

    Thank goodness we’re preventing unborn/non-existent humans from being aborted so that they can be born in Georgia…granted, they may not have a whole lot of water to drink, but, that’s part and parcel of the far right wing of the GOP: “Everyone has a duty to live and suffer under our failures to plan, by God!”

  19. Harry says:


    Folks have been injecting their own personal moral values into public policy since the beginning of this nation, and sometimes succeeded. I offer you exhibit A, the Civil War. I offer you exhibit B, the Civil Rights Movement.

  20. Bill Simon says:


    Nice try…BUT perhaps you need to go re-read the Declaration of Independence. Specifically: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

    A “self-evident truth” is NOT a “moral value,” Harry. We disagree on the definition of what constitutes a Life, but you tell me how you can justify black men and women being required to subjugate themselves to the white majority as being in tune with “Liberty and The Pursuit of Happiness.”

    Go ahead, I dare you. Make the argument that blacks being required to sit at the back of the bus, or not eat in a restaurant, or not being allowed equal access to the public school system…I want you to make the statement that these things are subject to the whims of “personal moral values” and not the “self-evident truths.”

  21. Harry says:

    They were not self-evident for a good many years,

    As we learn more about “life”, then I believe peoples’ consciousness is being and will be further informed, just as with Emancipation and equal civil liberties.

  22. ondichliberty88 says:

    Bill Simon,
    not Mark Taylor nor the majority of Democrats in Congress want to legalize Gay Marriage. Heck not even the Democratic Farmer -Laborer Party of Minnesota. Acutally in 2006 the democratic majority that was elected into both houses of Congress where more moderate or Conservative(Blue Dog) Democrats elected than die hard Liberal Democrats.

  23. CHelf says:

    It’s clearly the issue of government approving growth but not having the intelligence to match or surpass the growth they approve with infrastructure. Need examples? Traffic. Bumper to bumper. More people moving in and not enough roads being built fast enough. Schools. Overcrowded. Kids in trailers and being herded around every other year in population redistricting. Seems to be a pattern here with our wonderful elected leaders. They don’t mind approving development but just don’t have the common sense to upgrade infrastructure at the same pace or greater pace than the growth rate. So clearly we are beyond just a water issue.

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