Barbie Is A Working Patriot

She was NOT an undercover operative at the time of Novak’s column. She was, indeed, a CIA employee but working in a non-covert position. It’s amazing to see the left actually grow spines, get courage and act patriotic when it suits their political purposes.

She sounded like a dumb blonde to me….

Again, folks: No one was ever prosecuted for “outing” Valerie Plame. Why? Because she wasn’t a “NOC” at the time (Non-Official Cover, i.e. “Superspy”). Hadn’t been one for many a year, so long, in fact, that the statute of limitations regarding outing an agent like her had passed.

Therefore, no one broke the law when she was “outed.” Scooter Libby got convicted of lying to the special prosecutor. He was not convicted, nor was he even prosecuted, for “outing” Valerie Plame.

She and her husband are Democrat hacks who need to go away.

What I mean by statute of limitations:

According to the law relative to this issue, if the former NOC agent has not been a NOC for however many years (I forget the exact number, like 4 or five years I think), then it is no longer a punishable offense to “out” that agent, as officially they have already been “outed” anyway. Plame worked in a public official capacity with the CIA after her “NOC” days, and anyone with a few research skills could have found her at CIA.

By the time Richard Armitage (you remember him, right, the guy who actually admitted he was the one who “outed” Plame to Novak?) tolk Novak about her, she had not been a NOC for longer than the statute indicated. Therefore, no crime was committed.

You Democrats need to do a better job of picking your battles and heroes.

Spacey,

Glad you have the courage to face down the liars with the truth.

Sadly, only the truth has been trampled more than the Constitution by the “I Hate America” members of the GOP over the past few years.

The issues with persuing and winning a criminal case under federal law were destroyed by the Bush Administration actors, like “Scooter.”

Had “Scooter” not committed several acts of perjury, clouding forever the ‘truth’ of the scandal, maybe we would have an impeached President, Vice President, and a Richard Armitage writing jail house books for the GOP conspiracy crowd.

Keep telling it like it is, SpaceyG.

Mad Dog

Here’s a conspiracy, and you didn’t hear it on NPR:

From Newsmax:

WASHINGTON - A defiant Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton says she has no intention of curtailing her fundraising in the Chinese community despite reports that she accepted cash from dozens of questionable donors in Chinatown earlier this year.

The Los Angeles Times has reported that Clinton had received about 150 donations of between $500 and $2,000 each from dishwashers, street vendors and other low-wage workers. Of the contributions examined, one-third of the donors could not be found and a $1,000 donor denied giving a contribution, according to the report.

“I represent New York and New York is a symbol of the success of immigrants coming to America,” the senator told reporters Saturday after addressing supporters at the Oak Park Elementary School in Des Moines.

I know the Wilson/Plame crew are fakers and stunt artists.

Exactly, as David said and Mr. Konop should read:

SHE WAS NOT COVERT WHEN SHE WAS “OUTED,” AND HAD NOT BEEN FOR SOME 4-5 YEARS.

And according to the statute covering the “outing” of former covert agents, there is criminality ONLY if the agent is currently covert, or was covert within something like 3 years of the alleged “outing.”

If Mr. Richer isn’t familiar with the law, then perhaps he and the other agents so “concerned” about Mrs. Plame and the situation should pick up a copy of the statute. Then they’ll know this wasn’t some conspiracy.

It doesn’t please them to want to understand.

CobbGOPer & Harry

Are you calling Robert Richer, former No. 2 in the CIA

We have plowed this ground before but let me briefly summarize it again for those who might actually not know the story and drink the DNC Kool-Aid on this.

Robert Novak published Valerie Plame’s name and employment in a 2003 article largely discrediting her husband’s position that intelligence related to Iraq was incorrect.

Valerie Plame got her husband sent to Africa on a “fact finding mission” that consisted of talking to a few flunkies on various embassy staffs.

The leaking of Plame’s identity to the press, was she a covert agent or otherwise classified as a NOC (as discussed earlier in this thread), would be a criminal offense. And so a special prosecutor was appointed to determine the identity of the leaker and whether or not the leak was a violation of the law.

Patrick Fitzgerald was appointed to handle the investigation and potential prosecution in the Plame leak case. He discovered in the initial stages of his investigation that a) Valerie Plame was not a classified employee at CIA and therefore leaking her identity was not a crime and b) that Richard Armitage had leaked the information to Novak.

Despite knowing this early on, Fitzgerald carried on for three years with a fishing expedition trying to find some criminality associated with the Plame case, specifically targeting Karl Rove. When his attempt to find anything remotely criminal about the Plame case had come to absolutely nothing, Fitzgerald decided to pursue a perjury and obstruction of justice case against I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, the Vice President’s Chief of Staff.

The entire case, all 5 counts were built around this claim. That Libby knew Plame’s identity from a conversation he had with the Vice President and not a later conversation with journalist Tim Russert. That is it. Libby admitted he had forgotten about his conversation with Cheney.

So the case wasn’t about the leak. It wasn’t about any criminal act toward Plame at all. Rather it was about Libby forgetting a fact that, if known at the time, would have in no material way affected the investigation.

In any case, the jury convicted Libby after this protracted witch hunt and he was sentenced to 30 months in prison and ordered to pay $250,000 fine.

Despite the amicus brief filed by 12 vaunted legal academics of all ideological stripes explaining in painful detail why Libby’s appeal should be granted and while he should be on bail in the interim, the Judge dismissed their arguments with a nasty footnote suggesting the only interest they had in the case was that Libby was a high ranking gov’t official.

Even the jurors, such as Ann Redington, indicate in statements to the media that perhaps they did not understand the legal standard at issue to convict Libby:

“Even if you are right what would of stopped the CIA from using her again in that status?”

Um, cause her “official” cover at the time of her “outing” was with the CIA. As in, you could look her up in the CIA phonebook. She was a publicly acknolwedged employee of CIA working on non-proliferation issues.

Check me if I’m wrong, John, but does it make much sense to make someone who is currently a publicly identified employee of CIA an undercover agent? Plenty of undercover agents go the route of normal, non-clandestine employee of CIA when they finish their James Bond days. It never goes the other way around.

What Valerie Plame’s argument boils down to is this:

“Undercover agents should be allowed to engage in unethical conduct with impunity.”

This makes a great James Bond film. It makes lousy government.

As long as CIA agents are paid for with taxpayer money, they are ultimately accountable to the American public for their actions. But if Valerie Plame can hide behind a “covert” position, her action–improperly securing a Government-funded trip for her husband to try and discredit the Bush Administration–escapes public accountability.

If the president and Congress can’t get away with this, neither should a bureaucrat, no matter how “covert” they are.

Please note I agree with those of you who say she wasn’t a covert agent at the time. But what happens next time, when that convenient technicality doesn’t exist? I say “out” them, and charge them.

Valerie Plame thinks she should be above the law. Amazingly, she capitalized on distrust of the Bush Administration, and prevailed, and even managed to bring down a few political enemies in the process.

If it is no “big deal” about Plame being identified publicly as a CIA officer, then let’s publish ALL of the identities and names of all just like her.

Or…would that be a “risk” to our “national security?”

The fact is the CIA and NIA warned against the invasion of Iraq 2 for the reasons Cheney gave during Iraq war 1.Instead of putting down the people who defend us why not question the lack of leadership in Washington!

WATCH CHENEY

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/cheney-94-invading-baghdad-would-create-quagmire-c-span

Bill,

I don’t think that anyone who doesn’t suck-up to Bush is anti-American, but the Plame game was what it is: a political attempt to “get” Bush from beginning to end.

I missed the part where this was about Georgia politics

Since “logic” is not one of your strong suits.

JRM206

The truth is Cheney and Bush had the right to declassify information anytime. Since Cheney and Bush did not testified we do not understand the chain of events. All we know is the guy who got convicted got a pardon from the guy who may have been involved.

Bush said he would fire all involved and it did not happen.

I am no expert about the law but I do know right from wrong. And this was a clear abuse of power.

I for one spoke out against Clinton for his

Erick, ask Spacey why she posted it. She’s the one who got the ball rolling on this non-GA topic.

For all the Jail House Lawyers on this blog:

How come with all your vast experience in prosecuting federal crimes, you can’t even research THIS case enough to know the statue?

Erick, do you have some tats to match Spacey’s ti**?

Honor is something these rednecks always blow hard and long about. But they have none, and they know it.

David,

Do you have any facts? Show me a real source, because the CIA claims otherwise.

We all know the CIA and NIA report warned Bush not to attack Iraq. And if he did Bush should do the following.

1) !) Not enough troops short around 50%!

2) That dismantling the infrastructure from military to public works would turn them into insurgents

3) Bush needs to understanding issues around sectarian violence in the Middle East

4) Our coalition is to Weak coalition

5) Bush should listen to advice of his fathers foreign policy team

6) That Bush is wrong to think democracy is a form of sprinkle dust that eliminates sectarian violence since 700 AD

I could go on and on

David: are you referring to the CIA’s book that I linked to, or the book of the same name? I haven’t read the latter. The former is part of the CIA’s memorial.

juliesme,

You have your talking points confused.

Even Dick Cheney disagrees with you.

WATCH

Cheney

I’ve been inside the CIA HQ and seen the wall with the stars. It’s very humbling and is treated in much the same way as the Vietnam Wall is with everyone reverent and speaking in hushed tones.

this isnt 1994 John. Again, another reason why you recieved 4%

Juliesme

YOU SAID

“The

I thought the strife in the Iraq war was caused by the instability of the government after we toppled it?