1. debbie0040 says:

    Great email circulating around:

    22 Ways to be a good Democrat:

    1. You have to be against capital punishment, but support abortion on demand.

    2. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments create prosperity.

    3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans are more of a threat than U.S. nuclear weapons technology in the hands of Chinese and North Korean communists.

    4. You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding.

    5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical documented changes in the earth’s climate and more affected by soccer moms driving SUV’s.

    6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial, but being homosexual is natural.

    7. You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal funding.

    8. You have to believe that the same teacher who can’t teach 4th- graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.

    9. You have to believe that hunters don’t care about nature, but loony activists who have never been outside of San Francisco do.

    10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually doing something to earn it.

    11. You have to believe that Mel Gibson spent $25 million of his own money to make The Passion of the Christ for financial gain only.

    12. You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.

    13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.

    14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, Gen. Robert E. Lee, Thomas Edison and A.G. Bell.

    15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides are not.

    16. You have to believe that Hillary Clinton is normal and is a very nice person.

    17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn’t worked anywhere it’s been tried is because the right people haven’t been in charge.

    18. You have to believe conservatives telling the truth belong in jail, but a liar and a sex offender belonged in the White House.

    19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag queens, transvestites, and bestiality should be constitutionally protected, and manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.

    20. You have to believe that illegal Democratic Party funding by the Chinese Government is somehow in the best interest of the United States.

    21. You have to believe that it’s okay to give Federal workers the day off on Christmas Day, but it’s not okay to say ‘Merry Christmas.’

    Last but not least

    22. You have to believe that this message is a part of a vast, right wing conspiracy.

  2. Doug Deal says:


    I am not one who likes cut and paste posts, but unfortunately foryour side, just about everthing in that strikes a bullseye.

    The truth hurts.

  3. debbie0040 says:

    It is the truth and from your reponse Stacy, it hit a nerve. And the only defense you give was that it was a cut and paste. So what? Is it against the rules to do that? You have the typical liberal elitist attitude…

  4. rightofcenter says:

    Dear Debbie,
    “It is the truth….” Surely Debbie (and others), you can recognize hyperbole when you see it. There certainly is some truth in the “cut and “paste”, even a lot of truth, but it is hardly “the truth”. That is more of a liberal scorecard than a Democrat one. Jim Webb would undoubtedly fail miserably on this test, but I know the Democrats are happy to have him.

  5. debbie0040 says:

    Rightofcenter, can you deny the email is in line with the Democratic National Committee ideology? Can you deny that it is in line with Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi? Pelosi was elected to her position by Democrat Congressmen and Congresswomen. Can you deny that email expresses the ideology of the leading Democratic candidates for President?

    Jim Webb and Zell Miller are the very few exceptions.

  6. rugby_fan says:


    Do you deny that this was one of the most platitudinous comments that you’ve ever made? Can you deny that you seem to be letting partisanship blind actual thought? Can you deny that you actually offer no proof to back up any of your claims (and that what pathetic attempts at proof would more than likely be mere cant and generalizations about their ideologies while misinterpreting political philosophies)?

    I thought the Ralph Reed campaign was the exception for your posts but it appears I am mistaken.

    And you still owe me a dinner (remember that bet you made?).

  7. Doug Deal says:

    rugby, you said in response to debbie:

    Can you deny that you seem to be letting partisanship blind actual thought?

    This is the problem with both parties, but I would say is a greater problem on the left.

  8. rugby_fan says:

    Partisanship clouding thoughts is the nature of the beast, I am fine with that.

    There are instances (c.f. above) where people are extreme in their partisanship.

    Neither one side has a monopoly on this or a greater problem.

  9. debbie0040 says:

    I agree with Doug Deal. How else do you explain a liberal like Nancy Pelosi was elected as Speaker of the House? Even the few Conservative Democratic Congressmen there is voted to elect Nancy Pelosi as spokeperson for their majority caucus.

    As for proof, research the statements of DNC Chairman Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, and the leading Democratic candidates for President.

  10. rugby_fan says:


    You do know that every member of the party votes the same way for Speaker (meaning for their party). You do know that many of those conservative Democrats were more than likely told that if you don’t vote for Nancy you will get only poor committee assignments and no campaign donations.

    And think of the moderate and liberal Republicans in the House. Why the bloody hell would they vote for Hastert?

    My god Debbie this has to be one of your most pathetic posts ever.

    Spare me the crap of “research the statements” (which to me sounds like you haven’t) and show me where any one of those individuals expressly endorsed any of those policies.

    And don’t come back with “well person X said Y which is similar to Z so that means X is for Z”.

    When will you repay me, Jeff, Jace &c. with that dinner you wagered on the Ralph Reed result?

  11. debbie0040 says:


    Protect a woman’s right to choose
    For almost a decade, Obama has been a leader in the Illinois legislature in the battle to protect a woman’s right to choose and promote equal economic rights and opportunities.
    Source: Campaign website, ObamaForIllinois.com May 2, 2004

    Supports Roe v. Wade
    Abortions should be legally available in accordance with Roe v. Wade.
    Source: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998


    Battles legislatively against the death penalty
    Obama’s most significant contribution has been his legislative battles against the death penalty, and against in the criminal justice system. In Illinois, it’s been a series of shocking exonerations of innocent people who are on death row. He was involved very intimately in drafting and passing legislation that requires the video taping of police interrogations and confessions in all capital cases. And he also was one of the co-sponsors of this very comprehensive reform or the death penalty system in Illinois, which many people say may trigger the retreat on the death penalty in many other states.
    Source: Salim Muwakkil and Amy Goodman, Democracy Now Jul 15, 2004

  12. SpaceyG says:

    The talking points memo I receive every morning tells me everyone here is now officially WAY off topic. I order you to cease and desist. Don’t make me have to call the national party headquarters, ya hear?

  13. I’m gettin old and can only digest so many words per day and this is cutting into my all politics is local -Macon Telegraph reading time but all i can say is welcome to the Six Legs of the New World Government:

    1) Legislative
    2) Executive
    3) Judicial
    4) Business
    5) Mainstream Media
    6) Bloggive

  14. rugby_fan says:

    Well done Debbie, you almost came close to proving that two out of the almost 300 members of the Democratic Party’s office holders in DC and those running for President may have views in line with your hyperbolic post.

    I repeat, well done.

    For the record, if anyone posted something this asinine about Republicans, I would be defending the GOP.

    Now, its clear you are reading these posts, when will you buy me the dinner you wagered on the Ralph Reed results?

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