Reinstatement of the draft is not acceptable to the people.

National bankruptcy is not acceptable to the people.

In the final analysis, the people have given the verdict on Iraq and that is to pull out.

The lesson of Vietnam was to NEVER, EVER AGAIN go to war with limits, always bring overwhelming force, and do not start a war to which the full resources of the nation are not devoted to WIN.

Bush and Cheney dodged Vietnam and missed the lesson.

Bush stupidly advised everyone to go shopping – THAT was hardly devoting the full resources of this nation to victory.

All that is being accomplished now that Bush f—’d up the war, as GOP senator Voinovitch bluntly puts it, is getting brave lads killed and maimed for nothing more than Bush’s ego.

“…Democrats were put into power this past year on a wave of anti-war sentiment.”

Show me proof. I say they won because GOP lawmakers left the principles of our party regarding spending and national security.

The people of this country want strong leadership–not weak-kneed appeasement. I wish I could say the GOP is ready to do that. I know the Democrats aren’t.

You can fight an army. You cannot fight an idea.

Just as with Vietnam, there is no clear cut victory and the longer we stay in Iraq, the worse it will get for all parties involved.

Clint Austin said that if we pull out now our country will be seen as weak and irresolute. We don’t need to pull out to be seen as such. We’ve proven ourselves to be weak – weak in leadership at the highest levels (our generals on the ground were never given the proper support for fighting this war) – weak in logistical support for our men and women on the ground (how dare the Bush Administration send our citizens over there without proper armament and weaponry!) – weak in vision: the Bush Administration was repeatedly warned that this quagmire would happen if proper precautions were not followed and certain plans not executed. But their hubris and greed (and don’t you dare try to tell me they – or rather Dick Cheney – aren’t getting filthy stinkin’ rich off their no-bid Halliburton/KBR contracts).

And now because this war has been so poorly executed, the entire world knows our weaknesses. You

I take it that you are unwilling to send your kids to Iraq and don’t want to pay for it either?

Unless you are willing to do both, you should be demanding an end to the war, for it falls short of the test of being a worthwhile effort.

But yes … you would be correct. Mea culpa on my typo.

You are right! The problem is until both parties understand that we need to go back to containing the situation and stop thinking of democracy as some type of sprinkle dust that will change years of hate and sectarian violence.

The error we made in the past was not getting off the need of their oil. You cannot force people to change they most make the choice.

On the Bill O

Physician, heal thy self.

Barring these thing, you should just shut up, for your stay-the-course with a clearly failed policy, strategy and ‘leadership’ is just getting brave lads killed for no reason other than to run out the clock on Bush.

The Vietnam lesson was that the US would thereafter wage war with its total resources, with clear objectives, and toward victory as defined by those objectives.

Your disaster of a POTUS avoided Vietnam and the lesson, then blew off those who warned him.

Now he is going to burn your party to the ground, so it might be advisable to deny him fuel and matches.

Few people are bigger hawks than I.

However, define “success” in Iraq. And when you define “success” define it in terms of what is achievable.

A liberal democracy in the Mid East is not achievable. Nor will US troops stop a civil war or promote a strong central government.

So, define “success”.

And bowersville, Barrow and Marshall have been previously raked at the Tavern on this issue and currently at Blog for Democracy. No double standard.

Is there a double standard?

If we are taking the war to the terrorist in Iraq why is the threat level up here?

WASHINGTON (AP)