A non-Fred! Presidential post.

Since some are whining about Peach Pundit talking too much about Fred! here’s a post for you Ron Paul supporters out there. I suppose if there’s any Jim Gilmore supporters around they can participate as well.

From yesterday’s USA/Gallup poll. Hat Tip: Little Green Footballs.

Neither former Virginia governor Jim Gilmore nor Rep. Ron Paul registered any support.

The Over/Under on John Konop comments in this thread is 10.


  1. Icarus says:

    They’re just so frustrated. Why can’t the other 99.5% of us understand that Ron Paul is our Obi-Wan-Kenobi, our only hope?

  2. Erick says:

    Buzz, see if I had written the post, he’d be over here writing about how Erick Erickson is a sneaky lawyer using those “lawyer tricks” to subtly mischaracterize things, like when I call Konop “fringe” I apparently really mean he is mainstream.

  3. Doug Deal says:


    I tried posting the McCain story to your “tipline” but it is as buggy as a downtown basement apartment.

    Perhaps you can use your sneaky lawyerly ways to get it working.

  4. John Konop says:

    Erick if you had written the thread we would hear about the voices in your head telling you to repeat some hateful comment! Buzz presented facts with his opinion!

    And by the way since you think my position on Iraq is

  5. liberator says:

    I wanna know about the GOP Senator from Louisiana who admitted being on the DC Madam Phone list and Committing in his words a “Great Sin” and his wife saying if he cheated she would give him the Lorena Bobbitt treatmant but when push came to shove she pulled a Hillary and stood by her man.

  6. Bull Moose says:

    I’m really fired up about the new direction that McCain has chartered for his campaign with the leadership of 2000 campaign manager Rick Davis.

    Of all the candidates running and even those who are still taking a very long time testing the waters, John McCain remains the most experienced and capable of them all – on both sides of the aisle.

    America needs a President who will take on the real problems that we face. What’s at stake for our country is too important to punt to another generation.

    We can all agree to disagree, but at least most of us are vigorously engaged in the democratic process and for that I am thankful.

  7. John Konop says:

    Bull Moose

    It is no secret that the GOP Senate is going to force Bush to change policy in Iraq. In fact the plan I ran on looks like what they are heading toward. My question is what will the hard liners in the GOP do when they find out the solution is about diplomacy and containment not being a bull in China shop?

  8. Paul Shuford says:

    I’m really fired up that Ron Paul’s campaign has more cash on hand than McCain does now. I’ve heard McCain even sold the “Straight Talk Express” to pay more consultants.

  9. Burdell says:

    Sounds like this poll is proving Mencken’s famous words: “the people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.”

  10. Carpe Forem says:

    Error in the poll was +/- 5 %. As an optimist, that puts Ron Paul at a +5 since their last poll, when they didn’t even include him.

  11. IndyInjun says:

    Well, I was working in an out of town client’s office all day and just recuperated enough to see what you guys have been up to.

    I still like Ron Paul’s chances as much as I do Thompson’s.

    Right now I am trying to resign myself to the title “President Hillary Rodham Clinton.”

    It ain’t growing on me.

  12. Rick Day says:

    How many of you have answered a presidential poll? This year? Ever? Not me. They don’t call Indies.

    I still can’t believe that the only person who seems to ‘get it’ regarding where our country is headed, is a Texas baby doctor. sigh

    He may not be taken serious by you-ins, but RP, deep down, touches some hard truths about The USA, and Masters of our Reality ™.

    Tell you what; you follow your status quo candidate du jour and whine under 8 years of President Clinton. Karma, baby.

    Get on the Good Foot. Get with RP. He is the only one the Indies will rally behind. And you need, repeat NEED our vote.

  13. liberator says:

    Amen Rick! Ron is the one candidate who has a track record of supporting Liberty and reining in Federal Power and Shrinking Government.

  14. Rick Day says:

    liberator: when Howard Dean, you know, that ‘nutjob’ from 2004, suffered from the same ad hominim attacks in the main press, he still rose to Chair of a political party poised to take total control of the government.

    Oh, that the Republicans see the support of RP, and pay homage to that support in a like-manner. A joyous day for freedom indeed.

    I’d like to see John Linder at the feet of RP, being tutored in True conservative Thought.

  15. IndyInjun says:

    Say what you will about Perot’s runs, but the 19 million votes he got stunned the Dems and GOPers into a period of financial responsibility. The Dems pay homage to Clinton, the GOPers give credit to the GOP Congress. Until Perot brought up the godawful spending that was bankrupting the country the direction more horrendous deficits.

    Perot would have done even better had he not dropped out and came back. (At the time I thought his claim of Bush clan dirty tricks was just so much whining, but that was before GOPer Kevin Phillips wrote of their long history of such in his book American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush)

    Ron Paul is much more fiscally astute than Perot. He sits on the House Financial Services committee and regularly challenges Fed Chairmen when they testify. Too, the fiscal disaster that is the Bush Administration has made the financial situation even more perilous.
    Not even Dr. Paul can save us from the consequences of these lunatic policies, but he is the one candidate warning of them.

    The people intuitively know that we cannot increase money supply, double the debt, and incur future liabilities of more than $50 trillion without bankruptcy.

    There is a lot of time before the election and the chances of a financial contagion that could propell Dr. Paul to the front are substantial.

    All of the other GOP candidates are going the opposite direction from the people on the war. They are not talking about how inflation is crushing the middle class (as Lenin taught) and most GOPers I know stupidly spout that inflation is low.

    The GOP is headed toward suicide as a political party and calling the one man who can save them a kook.

    President Hillary, welcome back to the White House.

  16. debbie0040 says:

    Funny email that is circulating:

    > 2008 Democratic National Convention Agenda
    > 7:00 pm Opening flag burning
    > 7:15 pm Pledge of Allegiance to the U.N.
    > 7:20 pm Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
    > 7:25 pm Nonreligious prayer and worship with
    > Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton
    > 7:45 pm Ceremonial tree hugging
    > 7:55 pm Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
    > 8:00 pm How I Invented the Internet – Al Gore
    > 8:35 pm Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
    > 8:40 pm Our Troops are War Criminals – John
    > Kerry
    > 9.00 pm Memorial service for Saddam and his
    > sons – Cindy Sheehan and Susan Sarandon
    > 10:00 pm “Answering Machine Etiquette” – Alec
    > Baldwin
    > 11:00 pm Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
    > 11:05 pm Collection for the Osama Bin Laden kidney
    > transplant fund – Barbra Streisand
    > 11:15 pm Free the Freedom Fighters from
    > Guantanamo Bay – Sean Penn
    > 11:30 pm Oval Office Affairs – William
    > Jefferson Clinton
    > 11:45 pm Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
    > 11:50 pm How George Bush Brought Down the
    > World Trade Towers – Howard Dean
    > 12:15 am “Truth in Broadcasting Award” – Presented
    > to Dan Rather by Michael Moore
    > 12:25 am Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
    > 12:30 am Satellite address by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
    > 12:45 am Nomination of Hillary Rodham Clinton
    > by Nancy Pelosi
    > 1:00 am Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
    > 1:05 am Coronation of Hillary Rodham Clinton
    > 1:30 am Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
    > 1:35 am Bill Clinton asks Ted to drive Hillary home

  17. debbie0040 says:

    Rugby and Bill you are correct. Let’s add a few more toasts in for Kennedy and as for Ted Turner, have him lead an American bashing rally”. Or is there something better you had in mind for Ted, Bill?

    We also need to add time for the Dems to bash the GOP nominee, Fred Thompson. 🙂

  18. Mike-El says:

    Flag-burning, Gore inventing the internet, and Chappaquiddick. Don’t forget the “killer rabbit.” Timely stuff. Has that e-mail been circulating for ten years?

  19. John Konop says:


    As a lawyer please help me understand Thompson answer to the question if he was a lobbyist for abortion rights?

    Sean Hannity asked this question of Fred Thompson on his radio show.

    “They have attacked you, they have attacked your family, and now, they come out in the Los Angeles Times with a piece that says you lobbied for abortion rights. You say that’s absolutely not true.”

    This is what Fred said.

    “You need to separate a lawyer who is advocating a position from the position itself.” Hmm. Then: “They will probably come at me, in 35 years of law practice, with some people, I represented criminal defendants. I was a prosecutor. I had a general practice. So that in and of itself doesn’t mean anything anyway.”

  20. debbie0040 says:

    Uncle Teddy will also be giving lessons in how to safely drive over bridges and come out alive even if your passenger drowns.

  21. ConservativeCaucus says:


    I respectfully disagree. Rumors of its demise are greatly exaggerated. What makes you believe that the GOP (the Grand version) will cease to exist?

    My understanding is that you are libertarian leaning in your beliefs… is that correct?

  22. ConservativeCaucus says:

    Well, it’s official. Jim Gilmore will not be the next POTUS. When will Tommy Thompson, Tancredo, Brownback, and McCain get out now?

  23. Icarus says:


    In order as you presented,

    1, 4, 3, 2.

    I haven’t been to the tracks lately, is that a quinella?

  24. rugby_fan says:


    You are thinking of the superfecta.

    Quinella is where you pick first and second place without specifying which horse (or dog) will finish where.

    Its a common mistake really.

  25. jsm says:

    Indy, you might want to review recent popularity polls for Congress. Your predictions don’t make sense.

  26. IndyInjun says:


    The GOP is the party of the Iraq war and its congressmen waited too long to break from Bush. It is going to get WORSE.

    The doubling of debt and the concurrent flooding of the markets with money ignited the economic “boom” but, as night follows day, has unleashed inflation. Just this week I read that beef tallow, the principle ingredient in bar soap, has DOUBLED in cost. Due to the unprecedented GOP borrowing and spending, we will suffer unprecedented inflation.

    The combination of war and hyoerinflation in the months to come will doom the GOP, the party who brought this upon us.

    Lenin said that the way to destroy the middle class is to grind them between the millstones are inflation and taxation.

    The GOP is the party of inflation. The Dems are the party of taxation.

    Choose your poison.

    The trouble for GOP is that they controlled all 3 branches of the Federal Government and the Federal Reserve. They are responsible for war and inflation, so the people are going to take them out.

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