Chambliss: Georgians want border security first.

From a Chambliss press release:

A lot of people have asked me why I became involved in this process initially, and there is a very simple answer: folks in Georgia sent me to Washington to engage in the issues that are important to America, and if we don’t secure the border and fix our broken immigration system our children and grandchildren will suffer the consequences of our failure to act.

Senator Isakson and I participated in the process early on because we wanted to ensure that our views and concerns were expressed and that, first and foremost, the border security triggers were included in the bill. I believe our contribution to the process was critical in strengthening key components of the legislation. While it wasn’t incumbent that everybody agree with the overall bill presented to the American people, it was important that we have a meeting of the minds to allow a full and fair debate on this critical issue. Unfortunately, the parameters that the Majority Leader set for this historic debate did not allow all senators the opportunity to offer and vote on amendments to the legislation. I believe this is too important an issue to restrict the rights of senators and the voices of their constituents.

Too often politicians talk and don’t listen. Georgians made their voices heard loud and clear and we have listened. The resounding opinion we heard was: we do not trust the federal government to enforce the laws in this new legislation because it has never enforced our immigration laws in the past; we need to secure the border the first and then deal with the collateral issues. Due to the tremendous response from Georgians, Senator Isakson and I communicated to President Bush that Congress must pass, and he should sign, a supplemental appropriations bill to fully fund the necessary expenditures to secure our borders first and separately from larger immigration reform legislation.

The debate must continue, because the status quo is not working. I will continue fighting for border security and I will continue to oppose amnesty for those who have broken our laws. Georgians demand no less than our fullest commitment to this critical issue.

33 comments

  1. joe says:

    “…we do not trust the federal government to enforce the laws in this new legislation because it has never enforced our immigration laws in the past…”

    Zaxby, you have a little over a year to convince me to vote for you again. There is only one issue.

  2. IndyInjun says:

    Well, MAYBE reelcting Chambliss would not be that bad, after all.

    Bush won’t be around to twist that nose ring he had Saxby by.

    The Dems won’t run the printing press and spend game, they will actually try TO PAY the horrendous tab Saxby ran up.

    And lucky for him, Abramoff did not make him a priority.

    Hmmmmmm….will I vote for Saxby???????…….

    uh

    NO!

  3. debbie0040 says:

    Did anyone see Sen. Isakson on Fox News? I missed it, but everyone I talked to said he did a fantastic job!! Go Isakson

  4. jm says:

    According to Rudy, the one issue is terrorism.

    According to the Daily Show, if there are two issues…Rudy Guiliani loses.

  5. patriot says:

    What if they had consulted with us BEFORE joining the “ball-game”? They could have fairly easily contacted the District Chairmen, or even included the County Chairmen to get “real-time” consensus.

    It should not have surprised Saxby when he got booed at the State Conv. What a joke – “if we don’t get the provisions of this bill, we’ll be relegated to buying our food from other countries. ” (Chinese fish, dog food or toothpaste, anyone?)

    We need to watch CLOSELY the amendments and provisions of the FARM BILL, they may try to “hitch-up” the “guest -worker trailer” to the John Deere tractor, and let in more “workers” to come here and have “anchor babies” and invite their extended families to enjoy the benefits of “Chain Migration”.

    As Pres. G(uest) W(orker) Bush said, “they’re just coming here… to take advantage of AMERICA…”

    Now that we have their office phone #’s on speed dial, they need to keep hearing from us, until they recognize our voices. They need to EARN our votes, and demonstrate ACCOUNTABILITY.

  6. CHelf says:

    Still waiting on how “securing the border first” will stop half of the illegals who actually came here legally and are here on expired visas. How does a fence and Border Patrol stop that problem?

  7. Demonbeck says:

    CHelf,

    The people who come here legally go through a background check of some sort. We can control how extensive those background checks are.

    We do not have control over who enters illegally.

  8. CHelf says:

    So what? What good is a background check when after all they’re breaking the law by staying here? They’re here illegally. And we have little to no way of tracking them down. So are you telling me this is all about background checks? Because this bill added more checks.

    And it will take quite a few thousand more agents, etc. to stop illegals from coming in. A fence on the Mexican border won’t do it. You would need Soviet style border guards and security to be able to curb illegals coming in. You’d need Canadian border secured as well as more Coast Guard to enforce the thousands of miles of coastline as well.

    People don’t realize it but passing laws are easy. Enforcing them requires billions in dollars first and then hiring, training, building, etc. to enforce it. There is no way we can currently enforce the laws on the books. The borders are too widespread and the resources are too few.

    Expect higher taxes to realistically enforce the current laws. Perhaps Sonny can send the surplus from GA to help out. I’m sure the secure the borders first crowd would not mind chipping in their part to realistically get the job done.

  9. Demonbeck says:

    Chelf, you cannot seriously believe all that drivel you just left on the computer screen can you?

    Put up fences, use unmanned aerial vehicles and border guards. The fence slows them down. The UAVs spot them and the border guards catch them and turn them away.

    How many illegals come here unnoticed by boat? Very few.

    When that happens, we can focus more attention on those who come legally and stay illegally.

  10. CHelf says:

    Do you honestly think that a fence is going to do anything? People are already climbing over and digging under the parts already built. How will one little vehicle with 2-3 agents stop a few dozen in a mad rush? What if the agents are like many including National Guardsmen in TX who were involved in a smuggling ring?

    Again, the Mexican border is not the only source for illegals coming in. While your attention is all on a fence that illegals laugh at they come in by other means.

    To accomplish what you call for it will take millions more in money. All while your focus is on the Mexican border, thousands will keep coming through other means including illegal. More fraud will continue and the bill will keep adding up.

    Call what I say drivel but it is reality my friend. The government cannot currently enforce the current laws. It needs more manpower and resources. That takes more money. Relying on a fence that has already been proven a joke is stupid – yes I said stupid.

    I find it amusing that people first say they have no confidence in the government actually enforcing the border but only leave that as the only option for us to live with. We had a chance to close off several options and loopholes. Now we’re left with a joke of a fence and understaffed border agencies. All while this goes on, we have to see jobs taken and costs for all sorts of other items continue to go up.

  11. Demonbeck says:

    It’s funny how CHelf is calling amnesty “closing off loopholes.”

    Look, you can’t reduce the number of illegals by legalizing them and then calling the process “a step forward.” It just doesn’t work that way.

    We must secure the border and then worry about fixing the system.

  12. CHelf says:

    It’s funny how Demonbeck calls a bill that was a hell of a lot more than a POTENTIAL path to citizenship amnesty.

    You cannot build a fence on one border and expect illegals to stop coming in. It HAS NOT worked that way. Considering the fences that are up now are being overrun is proof that method is flawed. Considering law enforcement on the border is involved in smuggling shows that aspect cannot be relied on.

    Locking your front door and leaving every other door and window wide open doesn’t fix the problem.

    I’m guessing you think relying on a method that is already failing is a “step forward”? Is giving illegals an open door until politicians decide to actually do something a “step forward”?

    I hate to break it to you but border security along the Mexico border by itself won’t fix the problem. It may slow it down while other means to come in are used but the problem continues. So while you wait years for a fence to be built, guards to be hired and trained, etc. more people come in. The same argument used to support what is going on in Iraq “this cannot be fixed overnight and it will take time to train, etc.” will be the issue on your fence. While we wait, people will see a reason to flood in in a desperate attempt to get to the money. The ones here already will continue running up the bill adding to our already high burden. Opponents of this bill kept telling us how much illegals are costing our country. I guess you don’t mind the bill running higher and higher all while waiting for that fence to go up? You don’t mind forking over more money for that burden PLUS paying more money for the fence and more agents?

  13. CHelf says:

    JSM,

    Are you comparing little ol’ Israel to the US? They use far better security tactics in cracking down on actual terrorists trying to kill them as opposed to people here to work. And their borders are much smaller than ours and they have the ability to use the IDF to maintain full security. Are you saying we should use all means comparable to Israel? And relate a smaller border and easier ability to secure the border to us?

  14. Icarus says:

    CHelf,

    There are more important things to deal with than this. Don’t you know the iPhone is being released in 3 hours?

  15. Demonbeck says:

    CHelf is too busy replacing the water-soaked walls of his house before fixing the hole in the roof to read your question Icarus.

    At least I assume so, seeing as how he used the same logic to support the immigration bill.

  16. CHelf says:

    Demonbeck,

    I love your leaking house comparison. It really dumbs us all down. But let’s go with it. You have a family in a house. There’s a leaky pipe. Let’s say five people are standing around figuring out what to do. One person works on the pipe which is expected. Do the other 4 people stand there straight up government highway contract style and stare at the one person fixing the pipe? Or can they actually accomplish something at the same time? Could they show initiative and bring furniture and other valuables to dry places? Could they clean up the mess?

    You see it amazes me with the level used to explain this. People assume we Americans are really incapable of multi-tasking here. Oh my God we have a busted pipe. Let’s have every resource all stumbling over each other to fix the pipe while everything in the wet house ruins. God forbid that we have the ability to actually fix several items at once.

    But I forget. We’re incompetent and we cannot even rely on the government to fix that leak. But yet somehow we are STILL putting all hope and energy into something we voiced cannot be done through incompetency.

    So Demonbeck, I hope that if you have a houseful of people and a tragedy strikes such as a leaky pipe, not everyone is standing there dumbfounded or all rushing to fix something one person could do while others actually work on cleaning up the water damage. I like to hope the best for my fellow man but it looks like we have a lot of highway contract types who think the greatest country on earth cannot actually handle everything at one time. Call the Pentagon. Don’t dare get into any other conflicts. We can only fight one crisis at a time.

  17. Demonbeck says:

    Nice analogy, except what the immigration bill proposes is more akin to stopping the water from shooting out of a fire hydrant with a bottle cap and a popsicle stick.

    There is an incentive for us to fix all the other problems – however, the solutions to those problems will only continue to get worse until the borders are 100% secure.

    Just like the leaky roof scenario, it is useless to replace the drywall inside your house until the roof is fixed.

  18. CHelf says:

    And your method is better? Your method is not even using a popsicle stick. Tell me why you cannot fix all or many problems at one time. Tell me why we are incapable of fixing the border AND addressing all of the other concerns affecting this issue.

    Since you only want to fix one item tell me in detail how you propose to secure the border. You are in charge. Fix the leaky roof.

    With your leaky roof scenario it’s stupid to have people standing around watching you fix the roof when they could be doing other things to save your valuables. It’s really useless to watch your property go to waste while you have everyone in your house stepping on each other to do what one person could do. In your case, I guess you’d have no problem with family sitting back watching everything get wet. I didn’t say anything about drywall. “Hey guys, don’t worry about saving the furniture, clothes, etc. Just stand there and watch me fix the leak. I don’t mind watching thousands of dollars I spent on something go to waste.”

  19. Demonbeck says:

    Why should I pull anyone away from the jobs they already can’t do to do other jobs they can’t do?

    In the leaky roof scenario, water is filling the house and the others are trying to bail us out with a Dixie cup and a straw.

    So many people are coming into this country that our immigration processing system is under a tremendous strain. You would be amazed at how long and expensive the process already is – without the Z visas adding to it.

    I suggest you stand in line with an immigrant and go through a day at the INS offices in Atlanta sometime. Better yet – take a day off from your hourly wage job, wake up at 4 AM to drive up to Atlanta from Moultrie, stand in line all day with an immigrant and drive 4 hours back with them in the afternoon. Then wait 6 months – checking the mail everyday for instructions on the next step – only to find that the brand new biometrics machine at the Atlanta office didn’t take your fingerprints correctly and you have an appointment – this time in Charlotte – for next Tuesday at 10 AM. (I hope you are catching my drift.)

    Do all that and then tell me who at INS has the time to take from their current job to help with anything else.

    This immigration bill was merely going to take a mess and create another mess. We must have them focus on stopping the illegal border crossings. Then they will be able to concentrate on fixing everything else.

  20. CHelf says:

    Pull them from jobs they can’t do to do other jobs they can’t do? So you’re admitting your hoping in something you say is already doomed? Because what you just said is telling me you still have no confidence in them doing just the one thing you want. That makes no sense. So our hands are tied to something you admit is failure.

    How are people trying to bail us out with a Dixie cup and a straw when they are not even allowed in the house? So you have no problem with everyone in your flooded house sitting around staring at you try to patch a leak you yourself admit you cannot patch? If you cannot patch the leak I’d at least have the others doing SOMETHING. If you cannot patch the leak, at least some attempt is better than nothing at all. But if you’re satisfied your lack of ability to patch a leak is sufficient and all we need to attempt so be it.

    Newsbreak – the INS no longer exists. I’d find it difficult to stand in line with those at the INS office.

    On the flipside, let’s go with your “enforce the laws already on the books” line. Let’s look at what is already passed. Last fall 700 miles of fence was approved to go on a 2,100 mile border. Tell me how keeping the status quo stops the problem. Doing math – 1,300 miles of unwalled border. Let’s go with the hiring of the additional 6,000 personnel for the BP. Seeing their website they fully do not expect that level to be hired and trained for another two years. So we have to wait two years for an additional 6,000 agents to be hired – not all are field agents mind you. So with what is already approved, we are waiting for agents to be hired, trained, and dispersed all along the massive border of the US.

    Tell me how you can achieve this last sentence. I’ve asked and had no response. It will take another bill to be passed to get more staffing and resources. Thanks to this being shot down no one will want to touch this for another two years. If current level staffing cannot handle this how can your dream of stopping illegal border crossings happen? You’ve already said it’s a failure. So leaving it as is with no additional staffing, equipment, resources, etc. how do you accomplish your goal? What magic wand are you waving to come up with the needed resources? HOW do we focus on stopping illegal border crossings?

  21. RJL says:

    If the hydrant is to the pipe as the Dixic cup is to the straw, then the only variable is the utility of the popsicle stick with the bottle cap attached as either a wand, patch or fence.

  22. Demonbeck says:

    CHelf,

    It’s kind of hard for a fence to do anything but the one purpose it was built for. A fence would be much more effective than the folks who work in the CIS office – it can do its job correctly and efficiently.

    You are the one saying our federal government can do multiple things at one time. Not me. I’d rather see them doing something correctly ONCE – before I trust them with doing multiple tasks.

  23. LaurenceB says:

    CHelf is right.

    Only about half of illegals actually cross the Mexican border illegally. Of those who do attempt to cross the border, we won’t catch all of them even with an Israeli-style wall – which by the way, requires the use of deadly force. For sake of argument, let’s say we have a really good fence and we catch 70% of them – that means we’ve effectively stopped about 35% of illegals. But wait… When we catch them, what do we do with them? Well, we deport them to Mexico and they try again and again until they are successful. Hmmm…

    Any idiot can see this is not a very effective solution.

    A better way to discourage future illegal immigration: I suggest that we simply increase the quotas for legal immigration from Latin America. For those of us who are not anti-immigration that’s effective, cheap, and orderly.

    Gee, that was easy!

  24. Demonbeck says:

    “I suggest that we simply increase the quotas for legal immigration from Latin America.”

    That’s like paying a credit card with another credit card.

  25. jsm says:

    “Gee, that was easy!”

    If only. Taking on more of the world’s poverty is an ‘easy’ solution, if you don’t mind bankrupting the US in the process. We already have enough problems taking care of native citizens and immigrants who can’t make it on their own. Adding more people with no insurance, no retirement savings, no loyalty to our Nation, and minimal income only stresses the system further. I believe in helping business, but not on the backs of middle class taxpayers.

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