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		<title>By: Creative Loafing Atlanta &#187; Fresh Loaf &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Atlanta blogs today: The Big Guy is back</title>
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		<dc:creator>Creative Loafing Atlanta &#187; Fresh Loaf &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Atlanta blogs today: The Big Guy is back</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 17:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] — Commenter Mike-El on Peach Pundit&#8217;s GOP Debate Open Thread. Bloggers and commenters contributed to a running commentary of the debate in the post&#8217;s comments section. Tags: atlanta blogs, mark taylor, Saxby Chambliss [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] — Commenter Mike-El on Peach Pundit&#8217;s GOP Debate Open Thread. Bloggers and commenters contributed to a running commentary of the debate in the post&#8217;s comments section. Tags: atlanta blogs, mark taylor, Saxby Chambliss [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Deal</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2007/06/05/gop-debate-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-72197</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Deal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 16:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

Yes, that&#039;s true, but I was being generous to the people who use such tactics.

Using the &quot;Raise your hand if ...&quot; methodology, people could easily label me everything from a left wing radical to a Christian conservative, but the answers would truly be grounded in respect for federalism, limited government and rule of law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>Yes, that&#8217;s true, but I was being generous to the people who use such tactics.</p>
<p>Using the &#8220;Raise your hand if &#8230;&#8221; methodology, people could easily label me everything from a left wing radical to a Christian conservative, but the answers would truly be grounded in respect for federalism, limited government and rule of law.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Emanuel</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2007/06/05/gop-debate-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-72168</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Emanuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug, there are very few issues which are not far too complex for such simple answers. Unfortunately, our fast-food, sound-byte culture rarely allows for real explanation or accuracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug, there are very few issues which are not far too complex for such simple answers. Unfortunately, our fast-food, sound-byte culture rarely allows for real explanation or accuracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Deal</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2007/06/05/gop-debate-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-72165</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Deal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always hated those blanket statement kind of responses.  They assume that there are only two possible answers to complex issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always hated those blanket statement kind of responses.  They assume that there are only two possible answers to complex issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Farris</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2007/06/05/gop-debate-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-72159</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Farris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill,

I caught parts and yes, Wolf Blitzer did ask candidates to raise hands on at least one question. And he walked the line for a yes and no on &quot;would you pardon Scooter Libby&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,</p>
<p>I caught parts and yes, Wolf Blitzer did ask candidates to raise hands on at least one question. And he walked the line for a yes and no on &#8220;would you pardon Scooter Libby&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2007/06/05/gop-debate-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-72158</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I missed the debate...did Anderson Cooper ask for the candidates to &quot;raise your hands&quot; if they agree with one blanket statement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I missed the debate&#8230;did Anderson Cooper ask for the candidates to &#8220;raise your hands&#8221; if they agree with one blanket statement?</p>
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		<title>By: ToddH</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2007/06/05/gop-debate-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-72151</link>
		<dc:creator>ToddH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 11:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I&#039;ve really began paying attention to politics, during the 2000 presidential race, it seems that many place the mantle of victory upon the candidates they like, neverminding that just b/c someone says something you don&#039;t like they could still &quot;win&quot; the debate.  So people who like McCain say he won, and people who dislike McCain say he lost, and so on and so forth with the other candidates.

I like McCain and I think he did quite well, but he didn&#039;t &quot;win&quot; the debate.  The best three, in order are:

1.  Huckabee
2.  Hunter
3.  Rudy (tie)
4.  McCain (tie)

But, then again, that is only my opinion.  The real winner will be determined by whoever gets a bump in the polls in the days ahead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I&#8217;ve really began paying attention to politics, during the 2000 presidential race, it seems that many place the mantle of victory upon the candidates they like, neverminding that just b/c someone says something you don&#8217;t like they could still &#8220;win&#8221; the debate.  So people who like McCain say he won, and people who dislike McCain say he lost, and so on and so forth with the other candidates.</p>
<p>I like McCain and I think he did quite well, but he didn&#8217;t &#8220;win&#8221; the debate.  The best three, in order are:</p>
<p>1.  Huckabee<br />
2.  Hunter<br />
3.  Rudy (tie)<br />
4.  McCain (tie)</p>
<p>But, then again, that is only my opinion.  The real winner will be determined by whoever gets a bump in the polls in the days ahead.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis_Oliverio</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2007/06/05/gop-debate-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-72134</link>
		<dc:creator>Louis_Oliverio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 04:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, RUDY won this debate--don&#039;t listen to the liberals at CNN who bore the brunt of an attack by Rudy, which was the most passionate moment in the debate--truth is if the General&#039;s report about Iraq is positive, it will not be reported with the same gusto by CNN as if the report is critical.

Here is my ranking of the candidates performances:

1.  Rudy--held firm; still have some difficulty on his abortion stance and some social issues, but when looking at the Democratic opposition, I have to support Rudy.  

2.  Mike Huckabee--I hope that he can gain some traction; he speaks with a positive, conservative tone and it would be good to see a debate with fewer candiates, but including him.

3.  John McCain--I am tired of McCain, but he appeared Presidential tonight at times and is going to be a factor in NH especially.

4.  Mitt Romney--smooth, but still not totally believable; would like to have a debate where he speaks for 3 minutes from the heart about why he wants to be President.

Now we&#039;re getting into the lower tier:

5.  Tommy Thompson--FINALLY a question about his strong suit--health care; Tommy is very bright and likeable, and can speak in depth on many issues--but he won&#039;t gain enough traction to be a serious contender;  Back when debates were more about substance than soundbytes, he may have had a shot.

6.  Duncan Hunter--of the 3 Congressmen, he was the most eloquent and articulate.   Could gain some traction on the immigration issue;

7.  Sam Brownback--a real loser tonight; it is between Brownback and Huckabee to gain support among the conservatives of the party and Huckabee cleaned Brownback&#039;s clock badly and has so for all 3 debates.

8.  Jim Gilmore--I don&#039;t remember a single line of his from the debate--but in the SC debate, he was too negative.

9.  Tom Tancredo--will strike a chord with a few over immigration, the media has done enough to make attacks at President Bush.

10.  Ron Paul--does not belong in the debate--he was on the attack-end of the focal point of the SC debate but was irrelevant tonight.

Finally, Fred Thompson--on Hannity and Colmes--it will definitely be interesting to see him on the debate floor;  I don&#039;t think its a as much of a slam dunk that the conservative GOP base will flock to him as it seemed 2-3 months ago.

In the end, maybe 5% of the electorate is paying attention to this--so we have a long way to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, RUDY won this debate&#8211;don&#8217;t listen to the liberals at CNN who bore the brunt of an attack by Rudy, which was the most passionate moment in the debate&#8211;truth is if the General&#8217;s report about Iraq is positive, it will not be reported with the same gusto by CNN as if the report is critical.</p>
<p>Here is my ranking of the candidates performances:</p>
<p>1.  Rudy&#8211;held firm; still have some difficulty on his abortion stance and some social issues, but when looking at the Democratic opposition, I have to support Rudy.  </p>
<p>2.  Mike Huckabee&#8211;I hope that he can gain some traction; he speaks with a positive, conservative tone and it would be good to see a debate with fewer candiates, but including him.</p>
<p>3.  John McCain&#8211;I am tired of McCain, but he appeared Presidential tonight at times and is going to be a factor in NH especially.</p>
<p>4.  Mitt Romney&#8211;smooth, but still not totally believable; would like to have a debate where he speaks for 3 minutes from the heart about why he wants to be President.</p>
<p>Now we&#8217;re getting into the lower tier:</p>
<p>5.  Tommy Thompson&#8211;FINALLY a question about his strong suit&#8211;health care; Tommy is very bright and likeable, and can speak in depth on many issues&#8211;but he won&#8217;t gain enough traction to be a serious contender;  Back when debates were more about substance than soundbytes, he may have had a shot.</p>
<p>6.  Duncan Hunter&#8211;of the 3 Congressmen, he was the most eloquent and articulate.   Could gain some traction on the immigration issue;</p>
<p>7.  Sam Brownback&#8211;a real loser tonight; it is between Brownback and Huckabee to gain support among the conservatives of the party and Huckabee cleaned Brownback&#8217;s clock badly and has so for all 3 debates.</p>
<p>8.  Jim Gilmore&#8211;I don&#8217;t remember a single line of his from the debate&#8211;but in the SC debate, he was too negative.</p>
<p>9.  Tom Tancredo&#8211;will strike a chord with a few over immigration, the media has done enough to make attacks at President Bush.</p>
<p>10.  Ron Paul&#8211;does not belong in the debate&#8211;he was on the attack-end of the focal point of the SC debate but was irrelevant tonight.</p>
<p>Finally, Fred Thompson&#8211;on Hannity and Colmes&#8211;it will definitely be interesting to see him on the debate floor;  I don&#8217;t think its a as much of a slam dunk that the conservative GOP base will flock to him as it seemed 2-3 months ago.</p>
<p>In the end, maybe 5% of the electorate is paying attention to this&#8211;so we have a long way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Holly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 03:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bull, you need to read it. I waded through it; you can, too.

I was trying to give it the benefit of the doubt, and I reserved judgment until I was done reading it, but now I&#039;m sure it&#039;s a bad bill. There are just too many loopholes, and it will be a major expansion of the government. I can&#039;t support it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bull, you need to read it. I waded through it; you can, too.</p>
<p>I was trying to give it the benefit of the doubt, and I reserved judgment until I was done reading it, but now I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s a bad bill. There are just too many loopholes, and it will be a major expansion of the government. I can&#8217;t support it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Emanuel</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2007/06/05/gop-debate-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-72130</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Emanuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 03:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bull, I&#039;ve read those too, and I&#039;ve also read the bill (and most of the amendments), and, in all honesty -- and in the nicest way possible -- I have to tell you that I think your support for McCain has colored your perception of it, and that you&#039;re projecting a workability and a desirability on this bill that really isn&#039;t there.

In my opinion, having read the bill and most amendments, doing nothing for the now and something better later is preferable to passing this one as it stands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bull, I&#8217;ve read those too, and I&#8217;ve also read the bill (and most of the amendments), and, in all honesty &#8212; and in the nicest way possible &#8212; I have to tell you that I think your support for McCain has colored your perception of it, and that you&#8217;re projecting a workability and a desirability on this bill that really isn&#8217;t there.</p>
<p>In my opinion, having read the bill and most amendments, doing nothing for the now and something better later is preferable to passing this one as it stands.</p>
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		<title>By: Bull Moose</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2007/06/05/gop-debate-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-72129</link>
		<dc:creator>Bull Moose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 03:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff:

I have not read the bill, but I did several break downs of the main points in it and a detailed comparison of this bill with the 1986 bill.  

Yes, there are several polls that show McCain not winning, but you have to look at the larger trends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff:</p>
<p>I have not read the bill, but I did several break downs of the main points in it and a detailed comparison of this bill with the 1986 bill.  </p>
<p>Yes, there are several polls that show McCain not winning, but you have to look at the larger trends.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Emanuel</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2007/06/05/gop-debate-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-72127</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Emanuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 03:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say Huckabee and F. Thompson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say Huckabee and F. Thompson.</p>
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		<title>By: buzzbrockway</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2007/06/05/gop-debate-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-72126</link>
		<dc:creator>buzzbrockway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 03:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary Katherine Ham &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.townhall.com/blog/g/c3b242cb-26d6-48a9-8edb-e6ddc54e0559&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;thinks so as well.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary Katherine Ham <a href="http://www.townhall.com/blog/g/c3b242cb-26d6-48a9-8edb-e6ddc54e0559" rel="nofollow">thinks so as well.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Emanuel</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2007/06/05/gop-debate-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-72125</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Emanuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 03:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bull Moose, two things:  (a) have you read the bill? and (b) have you ever seen a poll or debate McCain &lt;i&gt;didn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt; win?&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bull Moose, two things:  (a) have you read the bill? and (b) have you ever seen a poll or debate McCain <i>didn&#8217;t</i><i> win?</i></p>
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		<title>By: buzzbrockway</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2007/06/05/gop-debate-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-72124</link>
		<dc:creator>buzzbrockway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 03:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich Lowry says &lt;a href=&quot;http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MDM1NmQzZTkwNDVmNTA3MDA2MGEzMjA4ZmZkMDU4N2Y=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rudy won.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich Lowry says <a href="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MDM1NmQzZTkwNDVmNTA3MDA2MGEzMjA4ZmZkMDU4N2Y=" rel="nofollow">Rudy won.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bull Moose</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2007/06/05/gop-debate-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-72123</link>
		<dc:creator>Bull Moose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 03:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that some of you guys really need to understand what&#039;s at stake with immigration reform.  Some of you confound me with your misinformation on the bill, how it compares to the 1986 bill, and what the stakes are of doing NOTHING as you obviously would prefer to do.  

McCain clearly won this debate HANDS DOWN.  Why?  Because he&#039;s the only candidate who&#039;s willing to do the hard things to lead America, will put an end to wasteful spending, and because he&#039;s the only consistent conservative in the race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that some of you guys really need to understand what&#8217;s at stake with immigration reform.  Some of you confound me with your misinformation on the bill, how it compares to the 1986 bill, and what the stakes are of doing NOTHING as you obviously would prefer to do.  </p>
<p>McCain clearly won this debate HANDS DOWN.  Why?  Because he&#8217;s the only candidate who&#8217;s willing to do the hard things to lead America, will put an end to wasteful spending, and because he&#8217;s the only consistent conservative in the race.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Emanuel</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2007/06/05/gop-debate-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-72121</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Emanuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 03:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only if you care about getting your time wasted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only if you care about getting your time wasted.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Deal</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2007/06/05/gop-debate-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-72119</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Deal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 03:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have a problem including the lessor candidates.  There is still over a year before the convention, and several months before the first primary.  Is there really any reason to hurry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have a problem including the lessor candidates.  There is still over a year before the convention, and several months before the first primary.  Is there really any reason to hurry?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Emanuel</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2007/06/05/gop-debate-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-72118</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Emanuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 03:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d vote for jettisoning Paul, Brownback, Hunter, Tancredo, Gilmore, and T. Thompson now, and then revisiting in a month. I think Huckabee is the only non-big-three announced candidate who earned the right to move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d vote for jettisoning Paul, Brownback, Hunter, Tancredo, Gilmore, and T. Thompson now, and then revisiting in a month. I think Huckabee is the only non-big-three announced candidate who earned the right to move on.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike-El</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2007/06/05/gop-debate-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-72117</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike-El</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 02:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somebody (McCain?) should&#039;ve just flat-out asked Tancredo, &quot;Are you prepared to say here tonight that if someone doesn&#039;t speak English, you don&#039;t want their vote?&quot; 

This was my first long look at Romney and I thought he was, as Lewis Grizzard said about Bill Clinton, slicker than a whole bucket of eels.

For me, the highlight was the lightning striking over and over as Giuliani talked about abortion and Romney and McCain slowly backing away from him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody (McCain?) should&#8217;ve just flat-out asked Tancredo, &#8220;Are you prepared to say here tonight that if someone doesn&#8217;t speak English, you don&#8217;t want their vote?&#8221; </p>
<p>This was my first long look at Romney and I thought he was, as Lewis Grizzard said about Bill Clinton, slicker than a whole bucket of eels.</p>
<p>For me, the highlight was the lightning striking over and over as Giuliani talked about abortion and Romney and McCain slowly backing away from him.</p>
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