The Convention is over and I’m a bit surprised that no one has launched a more comprehensive discussion of the winners and losers, observations, discussion of Erick’s challenge to talk to Linder, or the surprising intensity about the feelings on immigration.
I’m going to attempt to start the conversation here in a constructive manner and I hope all others will join in.
Convention Winners: A tip of the hat from Bull Moose to the organizers (national and local) of the draft Fred Thompson effort. Kudos to the efforts of the Cagle team and Presence with a Purpose. Classy act award to Karen Handel for really recognizing and respecting the people who helped her get elected. Refreshing sincerity from Sue Everheart. Another class act award to Buzz Brockway. And triple crown awards to the brave House Members for promoting “Real Republicans Cut Taxes” effort. And double tip of the hat to Alec Poitevint for his tireless service to Georgia Republican Party. Demonstration of political courage awards to Senators Isakson and Chambliss. Young Republicans, The Republican Liberty Caucus, and the Conservative Bloggers of Peach Pundit for being the conscience of the Georgia Republican Party.
Funny Moment Most Talked About: Mitt Romney recognizing his good friend Gary Bauer (Ralph Reed).
Convention Losers: Sonny Perdue may be the Governor, but I don’t know what his talk was about on Saturday. Just because our Congressmen and constitutional officers have 5 minutes to speak, doesn’t mean they have to take 7 minutes to drone on about who knows what.
Corruption: Bull Moose took the challenge and spoke to John Linder about Ken Calvert and his elevation by the House Steering Committee to the House Appropriations Committee (Debbie was a witness). Not only did Linder refuse to answer how he voted, he got very testy, said his vote was a secret, and that Calvert has done nothing wrong, is not under investigation and that I didn’t have my facts straight. I was actually very shocked at the rudeness of Mr. Linder in addressing the matter. Someone is cracking under pressure a little bit it seems! Keep up the pressure Erick, maybe we’ll have an answer one day as to how he voted.
Immigration: It’s odd that some were attacking Saxby and Isakson over the immigration deal even though none had likely read any part or portion of the bill and were only trusting rhetorical talking points in their opposition.
This bill is NOT amnesty. Illegal workers must acknowledge that they broke the law, pay a $1,000 fine, and undergo criminal background checks to obtain a Z visa granting temporary legal status. To apply for a green card at a date years into the future, Z visa workers must wait in line behind those who applied lawfully, pay an additional $4,000 fine, complete accelerated English requirements, leave the U.S. and file their application in their home country, and demonstrate merit based on the skills and attributes they will bring to the United States. Workers approved for Z visas will be given a temporary legal status, but they will not enjoy the full privileges of citizens or Legal Permanent Residents, such as welfare benefits and the ability to sponsor relatives abroad as immigrants.
This bill SECURES the border. Border security benchmarks must be met before the Z visa and temporary worker programs go into effect. These triggers include: constructing 370 miles of fencing and 200 miles of vehicle barriers at the border and increasing the size of the Border Patrol to 18,000 agents.
This bill will STOP the rush to the border. To be eligible to apply for a Z visa, illegal immigrants must prove they were in the country prior to January 1, 2007. Anyone caught crossing the border after the new law passes will be fingerprinted and permanently barred from receiving work or tourist visas from the U.S., creating a strong disincentive to illegal immigration.
Those are just a few points in regards to the convention.
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Okay Bull…
As for Friday Night:
I saw Sue and ASH getting their pictures made together. That was really nice. It made me smile.
I over heard Newt ask Dr. Cindye Coates to run for State House one more time. Ralph Reed and Sen. Cecil Staton agreed. I know she was at the convention Saturday. She will not say if she is running in ‘08. 3rd time is the charm.
I heard Speaker Glenn Richardson said,” We are not hereto get along, we are here to GET A JOB DONE!” WOW !!! GLENN fir GOV!
I am a little tired of all this “Go Along and Get Along” business. This is good Preachin!
*GLENN for GOV!
Um, we’re barely through 2007 and a long way till 2010, it’s enough already GOPeach. Give it a rest for a bit.
Just havin some fun Bull.
Maybe I will do a Straw Poll! LOL LOL.
Bull,
Well stated on most accounts.
Boo for me not thinking to bring a “just in case” roll of Jim Whitehead stickers on Saturday morning. I needed them.
I’d add Bob Matthews and Rob Doll to the convention winners, along with Buzz Brockway. All three had the willingness to step up and try for a big position in the party. I was especially proud of the grace that Buzz showed, and I think he’s going to go far in the party. That’s my prediction anyway.
Yay for Buzz convincing me to get Twitter. I’ll have a name and all shortly. That was a promise that I’m intending to keep.
Yay for Charlie Norwood being given the Coverdell Award.
Yay for Lynn Westmoreland’s speech. He’s growing on me.
Kudos to Saxby and Johnny for promising to talk to us about the immigration bill. I have sent my concerns and am waiting for a response. I’m still reserving judgment on this thing until they answer me.
Where was Nathan Deal?
Boo for the nasty headache I got from not eating until 3:30 on Saturday. Oops.
Yes, sorry, I was very impressed with Rob Doll too. He was very energetic. He’s very enthusiastic and seems to be a great motivator.
Good!!!
If you are going to have on white shoes – you need to be perky!!!
Plus… He did say he was a Christian!
Good for him!
Okay… I’m in! A Christian is white shoes!
( Does he look like Benny Hinn?)
“He did say he was a Christian! ” LOL
I sound like go to Vernon Jones’ church!
What I meant to say…
He SAID he was a Christian!
* in white shoes!!!
Bull, What is it about this Immigration “Compromise” that gives you hope of success? Not a single immigration reform measure has worked since the mid 80s simply because the federal government has refused to enforce its own laws. This sham will be no different and only rewards illegal behavior. You disappoint me.
I completely agree with UGA Wins 2006. How stupid does Congress think we are if they expect us to trust them that the “triggers” or quasi-security measures will ever actually secure the border? We were promised that in 1986 and were screwed over. We will get the shaft again.
I don’t care if there are 3,000,000 border guards and 2000 miles of fence. Without the willingness on behalf of our treasonous government to actually enforce the laws and do what is necessary, it won’t matter in the least.
This is the one issue that will drive me from the Republicans forever (although it won’t matter much — importing tens of millions of new Dem voters will spell the death of the Republican Party anyway). I’ll probably just check out of politics. I’m a conservative and there is no one in Washington who will stand up for conservative values, then I’m not going to try to keep turning the Titanic.
Well, UGA Wins 2006 and Rightonpeachtree, I guess you both are fine with the status quo of what we have today then.
I’ll take 75% of an improvement over a 0 any day of the week and twice on Tuesday.
Stop being such shortsighted incompetents.
Bull Moose,
All I ever asked for was secure borders and repatriation of 12 million illegals. Are you saying that this will secure 75% of the border and get rid of 9 million illegals? If so, it might not be a bad start, but you know better. The popular word in DC today is “benchmarks” . How about a benchmark that would sunset this bill if 1 million do not return in the first year? We wouldn’t be stuck with amnesty very long that way, and if I am wrong and everybody returns to their own country, then we can all be happy.
Big Loser: The convention staff decided to prohibit signs being posted anywhere on the convention floor and for being distributed to supporters of candidates for party office. There were also constant orders barked to anyone walking to and from the floor to “get in your seat”. This was supposed to be a political convention. Have you ever heard of a political convention without signs? Oh, and no one was informed of this “rule” until the convention was underway. We all need to stand up for free speech/free expression at our political conventions. If we cannot express ourselves there, where can we?
JRM2016 -
AMEN!
They better close the Border and do it PDQ.
The Cantorell oil field produces 40% of the revenue of Mexico’s government and it suddenly went in DRAMATIC decline last year. Oil revenues could drop to nearly zero in less than 10 years.
If we don’t secure the borders we are going to be overrun.
Rightonpeachtree I am with you totally. Chambliss is an IMPOSTER without the immigration issue, yet the Peachpunditeers are content to let the state GOP chairwoman tell us he is not going to have a challenge within the party.
Erick finally sees that sticking with those who betrayed us will mean the death of the GOP.
They lost this supporter and contributor in October 2002.
The Dems are now the lesser of evils.
“Stop being such shortsighted incompetents.”
Bull, you trust this US government to do the right thing on immigration reform? What is the basis or your trust? Please share with me how you can trust a government that has not carried through on a single promise it has made on immigration. Where is our 700 mile wall Congress funded, for instance?
Being incompetant, I want to hear your grounds for trusting the government. Show me the way oh enlightened one.
Thank you Bull Moose for coming to the defense of both our senators. While people at the convention might boo both Johnny and Saxby it shows that they must surely have a short memory.
It was last summer that Senator Isakson proposed an amendment to S.2611 which would have essential mandated benchmarks on border security before any guest worker program could be implemented. At the time, the position was contrary to the position of the GOP leadership (i.e. Frist and McConnel and Spector) and Isakson took a stand against his own leadership as a freshman. His amendment was defeated and when it was, the press picked it up and the GOP senators who voted down the amendment were forced to answer as to why.
To make a long story short, the reason S.2611 was never reconciled in conference is because of the politics behind the scenes because of Isakson’s amendment. GOP Senators who had originally supported S.2611 ultimately decided against it. You should thank the Senator for that.
Saxby is a good man… Better than MAX!
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek!
How many people remember the old
” Don’t Rock the Boat Johnny” commercials?
Well…. DO ROCK the BOAT JOHNNY!!!
I don’t think Johnny and Saxby’s positions on immigration have changed.
I think I’m still trying not to have an opinion until I get the long list of questions I have answered by their staffs, but it’s hard.
I think we’re forgetting that Saxby and Johnny are in the minority party. They do not control floor votes. They could never get a bill they totally liked passed through the Congress at this point. As Know Nothing points out, they couldn’t even accomplish that with a Republican-controlled Senate.
There will be an immigration bill with or without their imput. I would much rather have an immigration bill with their imput, I think.
I really think we’re trying to tar and feather them too fast. Saxby and Johnny both said to talk to them. Bring them questions. That’s what I’ve chosen to do.
I think they have represented me well so far, a few votes aside. I’m resigned to the fact that I’m never going to like 100% of what any politician does. As long as I get in the 85% and above range, I’ll generally be all right.
Does that mean that I’m going to like this bill? No. Does it mean I’m going to listen to their reasoning before I start calling for them to be run out of town with pitchforks? Yes.
Saxby and Johnny are irresponsibly wild spenders who have spent America into virtual bankruptcy.
Bull Moose,
You call me incompetent, but I can handle basic math. Apparently, you can’t.
Right now we have 12 million. The new bill opens the door for 50-100 million (at a net cost to the country of $100K/immigrant/lifetime, acc. to the Heritage Foundation).
No bill is FIVE times better than a bad bill.
Cities and states around the country are cracking down themselves on illegals. The idiots in Washington saw that the tide was turning and we “commoners” are finally fed up with this, and they decided to try to push through this shamnesty bill. It a treasonous piece of legislation and should be treated as such.
And don’t give me this nonsense about the GOP being a minority party and the inevitability of SOME kind of bill. It takes 41 to stop this. They have the votes and could/should stop it.
This bill is a perfect recipe for the death of the Republican Party and the insolvency of this great nation. It truly is a WMD.
Get control fanatics! I too am ticked about immigration, but unlike some of you, I understand that this is our last and best chance for real immigration reform.
I also happen to trust US Senators Isakson and Chambliss to ensure that this bill works.
Senator Isakson has staked out a clear position on this issue and I feel confident that his position of securing the border first and setting realistic benchmarks will work.
Like Senator Chambliss said, 75% of a good bill is better than the status quo.
Those of you who are just against this bill, please, I encourage you to understand the realities of the current political situation.
We lost the elections in 2006. Do you not remember? Some of you who are so upset about this continue to elect Members of Congress who continue to do the same thing on immigration. Then you seem to want to throw under the buss those who are courageous enough to work to put an end to illegal immigration.
It is one thing to offer rhetorical talking points on immigration, it’s something very much different to roll up your sleeves and go to work on the issue. Both Senators Chambliss and Isakson have done just that.
One thing that should be added is that this bill come up for reauthorization every 5 years. That way, it can continuously be tweaked and improved.
This ties back into corruption because, again, some of you who are so upset about this bill and the other problems with the Republican party continue to nominate and elect Republican Members of Congress who support the status quo. You’re being very contradictory when it comes to your frustration on the issues.
Bull Moose -
Lessee here. Our two senators ran for office as conservatives, but both voted for the biggest social spending program in 40 years.
And you say you TRUST them?
I started voting GOP when it could have gotten my butt kicked, but I will not vote for liars or senators who have done irreparable harm to this country.
If the GOP cannot rediscover the values that put them in power and come up with GOP challengers for those who abandoned them, I will vote for the Dems.
The GOP used to be a big tent, but we independents have left the building.
The GOP cannot survive without us.
BM,
A bad bill is better than no bill?
The bill is not even published yet, although the Heritage Foundation has a copy of the 362 page draft.
The reported plan is to introduce the bill Monday and vote on it Monday. That stinks. It shows that the bill can not stand up to analysis. There is no reason to trust any DC politician. They have all worked against our interests.
Bull,
Your guy McCain is not a very good advocate in this debate. According to NewsMax:
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. and Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, launched into a shouting match during a Thursday Capitol Hill meeting, where reportedly the presidential candidate dropped the “F” word and more.
According to reports in the Washington Post and the New York Post, Cornyn apparently got the former POW’s attention when he raised the issue about the number of judicial appeals that illegal immigrants could receive.
In a meeting room just off the Senate floor, McCain opined that Cornyn was purposely raising petty objections to a compromise plan then being hammered out between Senate Republicans and Democrats and the White House.
“This is chickens— stuff,” McCain fired at Cornyn, according to the news reports. “You’ve always been against this bill, and you’re just trying to derail it.”
Not to be outdone, Cornyn accused McCain of being too occupied campaigning for president to take part in the negotiations.
“Wait a second here,” Cornyn said to McCain. “I’ve been sitting in here for all of these negotiations and you just parachute in here on the last day. You’re out of line.”
“F— you! I know more about this than anyone else in the room,” McCain reportedly rejoined.
McCain, who has missed 42 votes this year, hasn’t been intimately involved in the comprehensive immigration reform debate for months.
Reportedly, the shouting match was played out in front of a bipartisan group of senators and aides who had gathered in the meeting room.
YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT…
A bill on immigration that improves the problem and helps address the problem of illegal immigration is better than the status quo.
There is no hidden agenda in that statement.
I want an end to illegal immigration just like the rest of you people here, but I am living in reality and understand the realities of the political situation.
Bull Moose,
So you’re a McCain fan? That explains a lot. That’s why you call people like me, who just wants our government to prove that it will really ENFORCE THE LAWS, incompetent and fanatical. That’s nice ad hominem. Was that learned at the feet of McCain as well? His bout with Cornyn shows that he isn’t beyond personal insults either.
When did enforcement of our laws become a pipe dream that’s relegated to the hopes of fanatical incompetents like me?
And this “political reality” being what it is, where does the submissiveness stop? First, the GOP acquiesces on amnesty. Next, they’re just lining up now to rubber stamp all expansions of social programs and all tax increases proposed by the Dems. And the Dems want the war stopped? Hey, let’s pass it. That’s the new political reality!! I’m just being realistic! Why fight it?
I believe you when you save that you want to address illegal immigration. And I believe you when you say that you think this is the best we can get.
And on the latter, I also believe that you couldn’t be more wrong.
Bull, You still didnt answer my basic question: Why would you trust the US Government to get immigration right this time when they have a record of complete failure and lack of will on the subject?
I honestly doubt Bull Moose believes any of what he just said on immigration. I would bet that if McCain withdrew his sponsorship of this bill tomorrow, that Bull Moose would be preaching to us “incompetents” about how bad the immigration bill was.
Bull carriers water for John McCain. That’s the extent of his convictions on this issue.
“Big Loser: The convention staff decided to prohibit signs being posted anywhere on the convention floor and for being distributed to supporters of candidates for party office.”
JRM,
Thanks for bringing this up. I had my “STOP THE PORK” and “CUT SPENDING” signs all ready to go and even walked them right out on the convention floor. After holding my pork sign up while Isakson spoke, the sign police came and confiscated my “contraband.” I asked them where this rule about no signs was stated, and they said it was in the call. I’ll be working on this until the next convention. I can’t imagine that free speech would be denied at a GOP convention. That’s just wrong. What angered me most was that when I asked Marty Klein if the committee was about denying free speech, his answer was, “Yep.”
Why is everyone all of a sudden concerned with the government enforcing its laws? There are thousands of laws out there which go unenforced everyday, why are you all just now worried about it?
Is it because if there is a temporary guest worker program, you might find yourseld competing with the formerly illegal aliens? Get an education and a set of skills and you’ll have nothing to worry about.
If anyone replies and says it’s the principle of the matter, then you are in much worse shape than I originally thought.
http://www.thedustininmansociety.org/info/us_senate_amnesty_synopsis_2007may.html
Bull Moose, I agree with the first four of your five categories of comment. However, on the last one, I think you’re a little wet. Here’s why:
At this point, they had not read anything more than “talking points” either. The bill was not distributed until later on Saturday (still marked as a Draft), leaving the Senators 1 1/2 days to read it themselves before debate begins today. The final (draft) copy is 326 pages, and many things have changed from the outline the USSes received on Thursday afternoon when Senators McCain, Kennedy, and Specter were rushing to their triumphant press conference.
Even Senators who were working together on it were not on the same page regarding its contents; for example:
Now, I’m not condemning this bill out of hand like so many others; however, I do have serious questions about (a) the way it was written (behind closed doors, with no plan to release it to the public until after it had been passed by the full Senate), about (b) its contents and whether even those who helped negotiate its contents really know what it says, and (c) about the hurriedness with which it was written and will be rammed through the senate, with no hearings, committe approval, testimony, auditing, public debate, or anything else which could potentially slow down its passage or alert the populace more to its actual contents.
The big question here is, if this bill really is such a nation-changing piece of legislation, are we really comfortable going into it blindly — and do we really trust the 29%-approval-rating Congress (four points behind even the President) to undertake such a task with no oversight and no informing of the public before it is done?
I got an answer from Saxby’s staff for my list of questions on the immigration bill. Their answer was essentially “we don’t know yet, but we’ll answer you as soon as we do.” Considering that they’re voting today, I’m mildly freaked out. Some of those questions should have ready answers.
Now, again, I’m not throwing rocks yet, but I am worried.
Well Bull, explain to us why we should trust the US government to get it right this time.
I’m a Newt and Fred supporter (in that order…GO NEWT
, and I am (cautiously) supporting this bill. I only mention my presidential choice because BM is being accused of supporting the bill because he is a McCain fan.
This bill is not ideal. But I think its the best option we have. The Republicans controlled both houses and we failed, FAILED, do to anything on immigration. We sat on our hands, used it as a political talking point, and did nothing. If the political trend continues, the Dems could pick up more seats in Congress and the Presidency in ‘08. Our opportunity for substantial immigration reform that includes any of our desired enforcement elements would become negated. I agree with many that this bill is flawed. It leans far too close to amnesty than I would like. But it is perhaps the most moderate and fair bill we could possibly muster. Pelosi, the illegal immigrants, Mexico, and other Democrats are all complaining about this bill–doesn’t that tell you something? This bill is practical.
The most common complaint I’ve heard about the bill is the speed of its attempted passage. Normally, I’d agree that we need to take time to review it. However, if this bill is not passed expeditiously, legislators from both parties will attach amendments that will doom its passage. Immigration reform is such an emotional issue that speed and efficiency in lawmaking becomes an absolute necessity. If we allow legislators and interest groups to stir up the populace into a partisan frenzy and permit them to attach amendments, our opportunity for real reform withers away. In principle, I prefer a long and deliberative approach. Rational deliberation in politics is quickly superseded by emotional, partisan banter. The longer the bill hangs out without a vote, the chances of failure increase exponentially.
UGA Wins 2006,
You said: “Well Bull, explain to us why we should trust the US government to get it right this time.”
Well why don’t we all just go home and forget all of this. The government failed in the past so lets just forget reform altogether! Yeah, the feds have done a terrible job with enforcement. But I think this reform bill will bring immigration rules closer to the front of the public mind. I think it will make it easier for the feds to enforce the rules because of the wide-ranging bipartisan nature of the bill. Immigration enforcement has become portrayed as a Republican thing. If this bill passes, as I hope it does, it makes immigration enforcement a nonpartisan issue, and helps take some partisan fury out of the air.
Thank you Donkey Kong.
Let me tell you guys something, I supported Senator Isakson long before I knew who John McCain was.
This bill isn’t perfect but it’s a hell of a lot better than the status quo.
It’s just crazy talk to think I only support this immigration proposal because of my support of McCain.
Yeah it is. I know Fred and Newt sharply criticize this bill. I was expecting more of Newt, that he would understand the necessity and practicality of the bill. I supported Herman Cain in Isakson’s race, but I don’t think we could have asked for a better Senator than Isakson. He has done an incredible job in the Senate. Now, I want Cain to beat that traitor Linder and jump in Congress.
Just so you know it alls know, they are not voting on the legislation today, they are voting on a motion to proceed to consideration of the measure.
Fred’s comments on the bill are common sense. Some people want a bill just to have a bill. Why not write a bill that will actually achive our desired goal.
Fred has said, “We’ve tried the “comprehensive” route before to solve the illegal immigration problem with a bit more care and deliberation, and the results haven’t been good. ”
We also need to write a bill that puts pressure on Mexico. The complain about our border policy, but their southern border is much more strict. “What does it say about the leadership of a country when that country’s economy and politics are dependent upon the exportation of its own citizens? – Fred Thompson.
Fred seems to understand.
I would ask, if immigration reform is needed, why did they not update from the 1986 Immigration Act?
As with all things, demand drives the problem. Whether it be drugs, alcohol during prohibition, or illegal workers now.
To truly end illegal immigration one need to look no further than the IRS who could start enforcing existing tax laws. A few felony convictions and multi-year prison terms for tax fraud/evasion and I bet the market for illegal workers would dry up immediately.
Without jobs, they would stop coming.
Know Nothing,
What other laws are not being enforced? And, of those, which ones have the devastating impact on both the nation’s social programs and the GOP that this problem does?
And I’ve got three college degrees. I’m not competing against illegals. However, my family comes from a blue collar background and I actually care about those who do have to compete (unfairly) with illegals. They’re people, too, even if they aren’t big political muckitymucks.
Is it the principle of the thing? Abso-friggin-lutely. And it’s the fact that it will bankrupt our country. And it’s the fact that we CAN’T trust the federal government on enforcement until they actually prove they’ll do it. And it’s the fact that this will be the death of the GOP. And it’s the fact of how this bill was birthed. And it’s the fact that this bill was, in part, crafted by La Raza and other special interest groups. And it’s the fact that our degenerate leaders are so sold out to big business and special interests that they would do whatever those interests want, even if it means cutting the throat of the average American. And it’s the fact that a trip to the emergency room takes 8 or 9 hours because the place is absolutely overrun by illegals. And it’s the fact that the illegals are getting “de facto” free health care while the cost of healthcare is being passed onto those who can pay. And it’s the fact that the government is using Medicaid to pay for illegals to have children here. And it’s the fact that our borders are an open invitation to terrorist groups wanting to sneak people and weapons into this country. And it’s the fact that we are consistently seeing the death of Americans caused by illegal aliens via auto accidents, murders, or other means. And it’s the fact that…
And so on and so on.
I stand on a lot more than principle on this issue. And so should you.
Doug Deal,
Good point. These screams of needing labor are exceedingly deceptive. Sure, some labor is needed. However, businesses want an overwhelming excess of labor — way beyond what they need. Then, those here can bid down the wages even further and further for the jobs that are being filled.
And the burden of the illegals (or even immigrants if you legalize them) falls not on the company, but on the taxpayer (schools, health care, etc.). Why shouldn’t businesses want a barrel full of folks to choose from? And they are the ones bribing the losers in Washington to do their bidding.
rightonpeachtree,
Your post smacks with bald declarations (i.e. The bill will be the end of the GOP, etc. The Grand Master Reagan himself gave amnesty to illegals–the party survived then, and it’ll survive now)
I don’t think you get it–the Democrats are in control. We had our chance, and we didn’t do a thing. I really think this is our last chance to have a say in immigration policy for a while. If we deny the passage of the bill, and Dems win in ‘08, their immigration reform will be much, much worse, and we’ll all be kicking ourselves for not adopting this bill.
I don’t like it, and I don’t think its fair to immigrants from other parts of the world. But I think its a step in the right direction, and at some point we need to be realists and understand our current political situation.
You bring up a legitimate point about the emergency room visits, but once illegal immigrants are able to have social security numbers, chances are they will pay for health insurance through their employers which they would then be able to do legally.
Yes, illegal immigrants are getting free health care right now, but so are poor American citizens. What’s the difference? Illegals probably pay far more taxes than the poor do. So when we send the illegals back to their home countries for using our services and bankrupting our country, shouldn’t we send the poor back to whatever country they originally came form too?
One can be principled or one can be pragmatic. I’d rather be pragmatic to the situation and solve some major problems rather than being principled and cutting off my nose despite my face.
Jason, Jason, Jason…
Thank you very much for inviting me to join the YOUNG Republicans. I am honored and greatly humbled. I look good for 50+ but I am not YOUNG and you would not listen to anything I have to say. If you insulted me in public like you do on this blog, I would have to turn you over my knee and spank your fanny.
KN,
How do illegals “pay far more taxes than the poor do”? If they use a fake social security number, all they have to do is put in “exempt” or 99 dependents in their W-4, assuming they have a fake one. Then, no taxes are paid, except for SSI.
Or, they work for cash under the table, and then not even that is paid.
If they were not getting away with something, they would not be here illegaly, but would use legal means.
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