Georgia Looks Dum On TV – Again

We have simply got to stop talking to the national media here in Georgia. Once again, Rep. Jack Kingston makes us all look like a bunch of country-fried hicks. This time in front of Chris Matthews over the war in Iraq, of course.


  1. Doug Deal says:

    I have difficulty with streaming video during part of my day, as I am not back at the media palace I call my apartment.

    Can someone summarize the plot for me?

  2. jsm says:

    I’m a little disappointed that Kingston couldn’t articulate the fact that we’ll be in Iraq long after the war, just like in Korea, Germany, Somalia, Bosnia, etc. How do you sit there and smile while a talking head calls you a liar?

  3. drjay says:

    i thought jack could have handled himself a bit better–but i thought he did fine–and who gives a @#$% what they rest of the contry thinks of us–all the better to keep them away…

  4. drjay says:

    and in a horribly sexist comment–i have always thought wasserman shultz to be pretty easy on the eyes for a member of congress…

  5. Donkey Kong says:

    Kingston messed up–he shouldn’t have made the comparison to Korea and Germany without being able to defend it. I didn’t think he did that poorly, though. Chris Matthew’s childish tirade should be the focus just as much, if not more so. Kingston kept trying to move on to deal with real issues, as he should have, while Matthews got his panties in a wad over what I presume was a mispoken (or ill-thought-out) phrase. Matthews, gimme a break, we’re not in fifth grade any more.

  6. buzzbrockway says:

    Chris Matthews is an idiot. He wont let anyone talk, especially someone who doesn’t say what he wants them to say. Germany and Korea are peaceful now, but they weren’t always. Has Matthews forgotten about the Cold War? Things weren’t tense along the Berlin Wall for decades? People weren’t shot and killed there? And Korea? There’s paradise for ya. Give me a break.

    Matthews, as usual, looks like the arrogant pompous arse he is.

  7. SpaceyG says:

    It’s talk show. You get more points for style, not substance. The people love arrogant pompous arse, and clamor for more.

  8. buzzbrockway says:

    Sadly for Matthews his ratings are in the toilet, so folks don’t like his pompous arse.

    I thought you were going to take Matthew’s spot?

  9. Big Mack says:

    People have forgotten that after the truce was signed with Germany, Hitler’s SS troops continued to fight a guerilla war, sabotage, etc. up until about 1950 or 51. It was Georgia’s Marietta born native son General Lucius Clay that put an end to it with the Berlin airlift. The German people just refused to support the SS when they saw how hard the US was working to keep Berliners fed. These media geeks that we have these days , Matthews and others are so impressed with their own perceived intelligence that they can not discuss anything with the normal people of the general public. He has never been shot at and does not have a clue as to what our boys are going through over there. I would like to have the power to transport him to Ramadi and put him out to fend for himself.

  10. gatormathis says:

    I guess a “big time” star such as Matthews has took time to visit Iraq for a spell.

    He attempts to convey an impeccable knowledge of any items of interest mentioned surrounding this topic.

    Whatever the question, he could have handled and did it so much easier, especially if he had only had a chance. It’s a shame to waste such talent.

    Now would be a good time to visit the ones he emulates so gladly.

    Maybe the insurgents will hold a banquet in his honor. Probably bar-b-que him a goat.

    It’s a common practice, we do it all the time over here for folks we like.

    I bet ole Chris has got thousands of his fans over there, just wishing that they had a chance to speak with him. With the Dish TV and computers and such, his fan base in Iraq is no doubt impressive.

    They can rent one of them big “boo-ray” palaces that have been rendered vacant by their residents, and could have a nice big party.

    Carry SpaceyG and some more democrats with him to relish in the brotherhood of their “underdogs”.

    It would be good to carry Hillary, she could do a “book signing” while there, which would further impress the area fans.

    And Obama, to see him “arm in arm” with his fellow Muslims brothers , it would have to be a “homecoming” that would make a mother cry.

    The Democrat Party of Iraq, it has a ring to it.

    It seems the “Republican” guard was replaced a while back.

  11. Doug Deal says:

    An easy solution is for candidates and politicians to avoid Chris Matthews.

    The left does it all the time with FOX. Republicans have only themselves to blame for pretending this guy is a jouralist.

  12. jkga says:

    Big Mack –

    “People have forgotten” the postwar resistance in Germany (“werewolves”) because it never amounted to anything. No US military casualties after surrender. Matthews is right, it is a completely unfounded comparison. The better comparison is to the Phillipines, where guerilla warfare lasted for many years after the Spanish American war. Should have pulled out of there much earlier, should pull out of Iraq now.

  13. Demonbeck says:

    We lost a lot more men in Germany over the same period of time than we have in Iraq.

  14. Doug Deal says:


    One wonders how many deaths you would expect from a normal civilian population. If you have 100,000 people, and the median life expectancy is 70 years, you still would lose 1,400 a year.

  15. jkga says:

    Y’all are cracked.

    Demonbeck, those losses in Germany were *before* we achieved military victory, not during occupation. The whole point about Iraq is that there’s no end in sight and no tangible objective and we are still sustaining casualties.

    Doug Deal, following your logic, couldn’t you reach the conclusion that 4000 Americans dead on 9/11 was no big deal given that twice that number would die of natural causes that day anyhow?

  16. LoyaltyIsMyHonor says:

    Jkga, this is a political blog, not one about military history. That’s why no one here believes or cares about your facts…except me.

    Big Mack, Waffen SS fighting Allied forces after 1945? Give me a break, most fled to join the French Foreign Legion, and most of those died at Dien Bien Phu.

  17. Demonbeck says:

    Yes, but the war in Germany was with people who have a genuine respect for life.

    If the Nazis continued to fight after Hitler was deposed would you have advocated we leave?

  18. DMZDave says:

    Kingston looked dumb because he made a valid comparison, but when he got called on it, he didn’t have his facts at hand to back it up. We’ve lost soldiers in Korea every single year we’ve been there and up through the late 60s there were a lot of firefights with lots of soldiers getting killed. This notion that Chris Matthews has that it was peaceful duty patrolling the DMZ all those years is about as outragious as something Ron Paul would say. Unfortunately Kingston is no Guiliani. Yes, Matthews is an ass but our team shouldnt’ take the field if they aren’t ready to play.

    And here’s anther thing Americans should know and understand, all military service is dangerous stuff. Tanks turn over, helicopters fall out of the sky and crash killing everyone on board, artillery rounds sometimes explode at the wrong time and in the wrong place and now and then the North Koreans and other bad guys still try to kill us.

  19. Bill Hagan says:

    Matthews is a first class jerk; while, Kingston is a gentleman. Rep. Knigston was not allowed to speak on the issues. He represented Georgia well and he also has. Matthews is the one that came off looking bad.

  20. Bull Moose says:

    Isn’t getting accosted by Chris Matthews like a Republican badge of honor?

    Anyway, the situation in Iraq today is completely 100% different from our stationing of troops in Germany and South Korea.

    I don’t think Jack was able to finish his point though. I think Matthews pounced on it and well, Matthew’s microphone must be keyed up more than Jack’s…

    Anyway, Matthews… Blah blah blah…

  21. Indy says:

    Demonbeck you say… “Yes, but the war in Germany was with people who have a genuine respect for life.”

    WHAT? I am not sure how you can say that after the Germans murdered more than 6,000,000 people in concentration camps. Or are you one of the nut jobs that thinks it never actually happened.

  22. SpaceyG says:

    So pompous arses aren’t good TV anymore? Guess I confused Big TV with talk radio. For that matter, do people even watch TV at all now? I just watch YouTube clips it seems.

  23. bowersville says:

    Well just to be honest, maybe a poll of all 3 that watch Matthews in Kingston’s district need to be polled to get an accurate picture.

    Maybe Al Sharpton needs to go on Matthews and promote Georgia values in our stead. Then those inside the perimeter can by happy.

  24. Holly says:

    Spacey, I’m with you. I rarely watch TV anymore. Then again, something is clearly wrong with me, because I’m apparently the only one in my age group on the boards who didn’t know who Puck was. Oops. 🙂

    That said, Chris Matthews interrupts as much as Bill O’Reilly. I don’t understand why rudeness is considered a good journalistic technique. Whatever. My real opinion of both is that their self-ego-stroking is more important than actually interviewing. “Look at me! I’m so smaaaaart! I don’t have to listen to your silly point to espouse my talking points more! Silly intervieweeeeee!”

    Jack kept his cool with Matthews, even though he probably wanted to be rude back. I’m glad for that.

    As to whether or not Germans have a regard for human life, I say yes, they do. And I think most Muslims do as well. But we’re not talking about the people. We’re talking about the German government immediately following WWII and the radical branch of militant Islam. That’s quite different than the general population.

    I’m going to be a pain here towards the end, but shouldn’t it be “dumb”, not “dum,” in the title?

  25. Demonbeck says:


    You are correct. I should have said they had a genuine respect for their own lives.

  26. Doug Deal says:


    I think even that is not accurate. I think Islamic extremists, for the most part, respect their own lives very much. Almost all of the attacks are not suicide attacks, but ambush attacks, and attacks against hard targets. The intent is clear, to preserve their own lives.

  27. Demonbeck says:

    The Germans didn’t believe that if they died fighting the Allied troops that they would be rewarded with 72 virgins in heaven.

  28. rugby_fan says:

    Anyone who thinks post war comparisons between Germany and Korea are apt is a complete and utter buffoon.

    First off, the type of war we engaged in with the three countries are all radically different from each other so the post bellum considerations would have to be different.

    Second, the cultural considerations in all three countries necessitate a different outlook on the post war occupation.

    However, the key difference, is that the violence that must be dealt with in Iraq has never been encountered before by US forces (in addition to being more violent). Amazingly, that point has been ignored or overlooked (I will let the commentators decided which one) for political purposes.

    With all due respect Demonbeck and Buzz, you know that you are choosing to make awful comparisons and if you do not believe so, you are lying to yourself.

  29. Demonbeck says:

    “Anyone who thinks post war comparisons between Germany and Korea are apt is a complete and utter buffoon.”

    It didn’t keep you from making comparisons, did it?

    Look each situation is different. However, since we have never encountered a situation exactly like this one, I would hope that we at least would try to learn from our nation’s previous post-war experiences.

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