Further Proof Marshall Isn’t Calling the Shots…

From National Journal’s CongressDaily:

In a change of plans, House Democratic leaders today plan to bring up legislation that would begin redeployment of U.S. forces and contractors from Iraq not later than 90 days after enactment and to be completed within 180 days before turning to a second Iraq war supplemental. The bill was introduced Wednesday night by Rep. Jim McGovern, D-Mass., a prominent member of the Out of Iraq Caucus, after discussions with Speaker Pelosi. The vote on the McGovern bill is a concession to antiwar members of the Democratic Caucus who are concerned that supplemental proposed by Appropriations Chairman Obey would not permit until July an up-or-down vote on removing troops from combat zones.

Wow. Welcome back to the minority fellas.


  1. Skeptical says:

    How so? I believe all the latest polls show that a clear majority of Americans (well over 60%) want our troops out of Iraq.

    Why is listening to the will of the people and then acting on it a cause for being welcomed back to the minority? Or are you just not used to those in the majority party doing what Americans really want them to do? I know…it’s been rare over the last dozen years.

  2. rugby_fan says:

    Ah, right, because people are so overwhelmingly in favor of the war that this will sour their opinions on the Democrats.

    Wasn’t displeasure with the war one of the reasons Democrats got elected in the first place?

    Honestly Demonbeck, it will take a lot more than this to get a GOP majority in congress, and you know this to be the truth.

  3. Demonbeck says:

    When the troops come back and Iraq turns into a full on massacre of Idi Amin (version 2007) proportions, public opinion will come to bite the Dems in the (Chuck Schumer.)

  4. CobbGOPer says:

    Idi Amin? He’s small fry compared to the powder keg that will explode if we leave. Because you know who will step in? Iran.

    As soon as we’re off the ground, I bet a crisp Benjamin we’ll see Iranian Revolutionary Guard units moving into Shiite areas of Iraq, ostensibly to “protect the Shiite populace” from Sunni factions.

    Oh, and those guys who wanted to shoot up Ft. Dix? We’ll start seeing more of that over here, as opposed to over there, where we’ve been able to successfully keep it since 9/11.

  5. rugby_fan says:

    Except Iraq and Al Qaeda would not be allies in the fight against the US so the fact that there have not been any attacks in America is a little misleading.

    And Demonbeck our being in Iraq is potentially leading to a similar massacre and disaster–Kurdistan which will be far worse than just about anything else imaginable.

  6. JRM2016 says:

    People want the troops out but they also want to be safe from terrorists. I hope Bush keeps his veto pen ready for now.

    The fact the Dems are now ignoring General Petraeus (who said it would be September before progress could be truly measured on the surge) is something they do at their peril.

  7. Demonbeck says:

    Aww come on Erick. This is the offseason, no primaries, no statewide campaigns. 5 months of Macon City Council Campaign Updates is not going to keep us entertained.

    If there is ever a time to start talking about federal issues – it is now.

    Plus this directly affects the folks at Hunter Army Airfield, Ft. Stewart, Ft. Benning, Kings Bay, Moody, Robins AFB, etc.

  8. Doug Deal says:


    You should have titled it “Georgians worry about HOUSE DEMS TO BRING UP IMMEDIATE WITHDRAWAL VOTE”

    In fact, all your posts about national and world politics can be made Georgia Relevant.

    Take some examples:

    “Georgians react to PARIS HILTON GETS 45 DAYS IN SLAMMER”



  9. StevePerkins says:

    I actually agree with Demonbeck for a change. When there’s a slow news cycle with regard to statewide politics, you need to fill the gap with something.

    While I respect that Henry County “this”, Cobb County “that”, and Macon “other-thing” all have an obvious place at the table… the brutal reality is that most people zone out on local issues outside THEIR locality. I perk up when Buzz Brockway talks Gwinnett… and then hit the snooze button when people talk about municipal elections and county conventions over a hundred miles away.

    I have no problem with Federal filler when there’s not much statewide stuff going on… just as long as it’s Federal filler from a Georgia perspective. To that end, I do prefer posts about how Georgia senators and congressmen fit it with the national stories.

  10. CobbGOPer says:

    “Except Iraq and Al Qaeda would not be allies in the fight against the US…” – RugbyFan

    Excuse me? Then why is it that we’re finding so many damn Al Qaeda people in Iraq? They have their own organization, for God’s sake! “Al Qaeda in Iraq!” Don’t you read the news?! Remember when we killed Al-Zarqawi?! And now the new leader is dead, Al-Muhajir?!

    You people who continue to insist that “Al Qaeda has nothing to do with Iraq” need to wake up and smell the napalm.

  11. Skeptical says:

    CobbGOPer –
    Al Qaeda had nothing to do with Iraq until the United States went in half cocked and with no plan. Saddam absolutely hated Al Qaeda and kept them out.

    Perhaps it’s you that needs to take a wiff of the napalm.

  12. rugby_fan says:

    Skeptical shows the problem of equating Iraq and Al Qaeda.

    Granted now that there is mass bedlam and chaos in Iraq, Al Qaeda operatives are infiltrating the country.

  13. Holly says:

    Yes, Rugby, that’s the big problem. When the US troops leave, what’s to stop Al Qaeda from totally taking over?

    Why are we not giving General Patraeus the time he asked for? September is not that far away, folks. I’m confused as to why the Democrats aren’t willing to wait the next four months, given that they’re willing to take their time to pull the troops out gradually (to begin 90 days after enactment, which isessentially 3 months anyway) as opposed to a mass exodus. What happens if things happen as General Patraeus predicts as we’re withdrawing? Do we send more toops back at that point?

  14. rugby_fan says:

    What’s to say they will take over?

    There is no problem evaluating the surge I am comfortable doing that. A good war time strategy involves constant revision of plans. If we need more troops than so be it.

    I just don’t think there is a military solution to a peaceful Iraq.

  15. Icarus says:

    “Al Qaeda had nothing to do with Iraq until the United States went in half cocked and with no plan. ”

    Reality Check Time. Guess what. True or not, it doesn’t matter.

    It’s time to recognize the fact that we’re there, and it’s a problem, and (as my boy Fred Thompson pointed out at the Lincoln Club speech), we need to start thinking about a post US Iraq.

    The Bush Lied crowd wants to act as if we can cut and run, Bush will be gutted, and then we go back to life as normal. Regardless of how we got there, we’re there. What’s the plan to deal with it? (hint: making sure Bush is embarassed isn’t a plan).

  16. Skeptical says:

    Icarus, it’s not about embarrassing Bush – he can do that on his own without any help from any Democrat.

    No one here doubts that Iraq is a “problem.” What we, the “Bush Lied” crowd/anti-war left/(or my favorite) cut -n-runners, are up in arms about is an ever changing thing. Yes, we were lied to. Then the lie kept changing. Then the body count starts to pile up. Then we’re lied to some more. Then we have to start giving up civil rights and liberties in the name of “national security (and you know this is true when Bob Barr is screaming about it).

    You ask what the plan to deal with it is. Shouldn’t that have at least warranted a passing thought BEFORE we had to go rid the world of the evil that was Saddam?

    A post-US Iraq is going to take an international concensus and we, i.e. the Bush Administration, is shall we say is lacking in the diplomatic skills necessary to pull off such a thing. Even leaders of his own party in Washington met with him this week to tell him that if things to shape up soon, they are jumping ship.

    It is time for those in power to realize their arrogance has already killed thousands and is endangering the lives of every American over there, military and private contractor alike. It is time to admit to the world that he presided over one of the biggest fuck-ups in history and ask for help. But if you think that will happen, I have a bridge I’d like to sell you…

  17. Indy says:

    It seems to me the options are… do what the Dems want to do… redeploy/withdraw or whatever you want to call it starting later this year through 2008… OR… stay there and start the same process 6, 9 , 12, 15, 18 etc. ect. months later.

    Whenever we do it there WILL be a power vacuum in Iraq and Iran and probably others will move in. If we don’t want that then we need to stay in Iraq for a GENERATION or longer. Let’s just be honest about that… things will NOT change dramaticly in six months or a year or two.

    How many more American lives will have to be lost before our “leaders” see what is so obvious to most.

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