How About A Veto Override [UPDATED]

Sonny is going to call for a Special Session. He will have to actually transmit the veto back to the House, which could promptly vote to override the veto and then the Senate would be absolutely forced to vote on an override — they couldn’t dicker with the rules this time.

Should they do that?

What about because so much stuff was put in the 2008 budget. Is there stuff now in the 2007 Supplemental that is no longer needed, making the preferred solution a whole new process?

From what I’m hearing there is a movement in the House to override the veto and go home — saving taxpayers a lot of money — the special session will cost a minimum of $225,000.00 for 5 days, according to Rep. Davis and others.

So, override or redo?

[UPDATED by Erick:] The Senate Press Office tells me that the calculated cost would be $48,415.00 per day, or for a five day special session, $242,075.00. Going back to Rep. Davis’s post, it’s clear I misread him. He did say “for 5 days” and not “per day.” My apologies for the error.


  1. Demonbeck says:

    I don’t think they can in a special session. Don’t they have to start from scratch with the Governor’s original FY07 Amended request?

  2. griftdrift says:

    I heard $50,000 a day. I might have given Wilson some bad info this morning. Saw in the MDJ that Sen. Stoner said there won’t be an override. I suspect its back to the drawing board.

  3. Erick says:

    Demonbeck, according to the Constitution they were all fighting over, the Governor has to return the veto the very next time the House and Senate convene in session.

  4. buzzbrockway says:

    In my mind, this is a public relations nightmare for the GOP. Every newspaper, tv news reader and blogger covering this will talk about how much it costs per day. Wether it’s 50K or 225K it’s still a boatload of money.

    Get in, get out, go home should be the motto of this special session.

  5. bowersville says:

    IMO overriding the veto is one thing.

    Going home after an override is a different matter. If there is a financial shortfall in the public eye for what some/most consider a critical needs program such as Peachcare between now and July 1, it will be the subject of the demagogues to no end.

  6. Icarus says:

    I’m no lawyer, and I’m way to lazy to look up the GA code or constitution, but I believe the only thing that can be considered in a Special Session is what is included in the Governor’s call.

    So, depending on how the call is worded, is it possible that a veto override possibility can be eliminated?

  7. Bull Moose says:


    Sorry. You can’t sit out the entire game and then complain about the results. That’s not how life works and it shouldn’t be how politics works either.

  8. Demonbeck says:

    I they stay in special session long enough, they won’t have to worry about what to do with the surplussed money.

    So we got that going for us.

  9. Bull Moose says:

    Well, at the rate things are going on the national scene, it isn’t going to take long now for that tide of apathy toward Republicans to seep into Georgia.

    The right thing to do would be to override the veto and just leave it at that.

  10. debbie0040 says:


    I really think Lt. Governor Cagle is smart enough to realize it is a no win situation for he and the Senate. He and the Senate will be heroes , along withRichardson and the House if they override the Governor’s veto.

    Gov. Perdue is not going to face re-election, but the House and Senate will.

    I agree with Bull Moose.

  11. debbie0040 says:

    I agree with Bull Moose about his comments about the attitude toward the GOP on the National scene. We can not be arrogant and think this attitude will not come to Georgia.

    Gov. Perdue is very intelligent. He can see the outpouring of sentiment against his veto and might change his mind.

  12. Doug Deal says:

    I think it must be transmitted at the special session, as the Constitution says. A special session, like a regular session is one form of a session, and the constitution says this:

    All bills and resolutions vetoed during the last three days of the session and not considered for the purpose of overriding the veto and all bills and resolutions vetoed after the General Assembly has adjourned sine die may be considered at the next session of the General Assembly for the purpose of overriding the veto in the manner herein provided. If either house shall fail to override the Governor’s veto, neither house shall again consider such bill or resolution for the purpose of overriding such veto.

    Of course, the governor also has 60 days to transmit when the legislature ajourns sine die, so there may still be no official veto. Can the legislature consider a bill which is in effect a duplicate of a bill they have already passed, when this bill has not been signed or vetoed?

    In any case, the Constitution is poorly written. Perhpas we need some lawyers up there who understand law to write a new one. Oh wait, that’s pretty much all that’s up there.

  13. The legislature can certainly override vetoes in a special session, that has nothing to do with the scope requirements that the Governor sets when he calls one.

    As for the 60 day requirement or other fancy stepping that Perdue may do with his veto transmission (or lack thereof) nothing is stopping the legislature from convening for special session, adjourning said special session for 60 days and coming back when the veto will be guaranteed to be transmitted.

    I seem to recall voting for Supreme Court justices who are supposed to referee when the Constitution is unclear. Take it to the courts and get this thing over with!

  14. Doug Deal says:

    The governor looks like he would rather play games. He doesn’t want the veto to come up for possible review by the legislature, he just wants it to stand no matter what.

    It is no longer the 1800’s, where communication was by horseback, so the governor should have the same 3 days whether the legislature is in session or not.

  15. Inside_Man says:

    The General Assembly can definitely take up the veto override motion again, the only question is whether the veto has been “transmitted” when they return. If not, they will have to wait two days and Sonny will be forced to transmit the damn thing, the House can do what it wills, and the Senate won’t be able to sit on their hands. The Constitution is quite clear, however, the veto must be communicated back to the House by the second day of the special session (since a day already elapsed).

  16. Bull Moose says:

    Veto is the common sense move for the legislature to make here.

    People are fed up with arrogance in politics and I really believe that if the legislature doesn’t stand firm on this one, they will pay a price not only in November 2008, but also when they chose to run for higher office.

    Right now, 2008 appears to be another year in which Republicans are handing issues to Democrats on a silver platter, so let’s not make it easier in Georgia.

    Stand on principles and let the cards fall where they may.

  17. Seeing as more Georgians are property tax payers than super wealthy seniors (making > $45k in retirement income only — if they still work and make it in regular income they would get nothing) Casey Cagle needs to think long and hard about caving in to the governor’s highly targeted tax giveaway to Floridians (see a pattern here?) instead of the broader property tax relief.

    Cagle’s already upset the NRA this session, and without their support the only thing a Republican can count on is being a tax cutter. If he blocks this veto override don’t be surprised if people start calling him the opposite.

  18. Doug Deal says:


    It is not that clear at all. The governor clearly is given 60 days because the legislature ajourned sine die. Where does it say that the clock goes back to 3 days if it returns to session?

    The constitution is poorly written on that point. The governor can play games and force the legislature to go to the supreme court, but with the Senate acting as the “Governor’s Boys”, the House cannot do that alone with any credibility.

  19. Chris says:


    Not to thread hijack, but I suspect when the dust settles, Wayne LaPierre is gonna be flying down there to apologize to the GOP caucus over SB43. While the NRA may be the favored whipping boy of the anti-gun left, they aren’t all that popular with the pro-gun crowd. Lots of other groups have formed up to take a much stronger stance on gun issues than the NRA has.

    As for the veto, I think with some time to focus on it, the House and Senate can come up with a better bill that defunds some of the Gov’s priorities to pay for the special session (and perhaps pay for the fires down in south GA).

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