1. Free Trade? Fair Trade? Level Playing Field?
    Your neighbors? Your money in China? America owned by China?

    SocioEconomic Cycles:


    Watch the balance of trade deficit grow, markets crash and our MFG dependent commities crumble.

    Regulation is evil?

  2. Rpolitic says:

    Regulation and unions. The fact is this is the continued affect of an overpaid underproductive union labor force. It is unfortunate that these plants will move off shore but the companies have little to no choice in the grand economic scheme. If you were to regulate more or unionize Georgia even more of these plants would leave and leave much quicker.

    This is exactly why a right to work state can prosper.

  3. rugby_fan says:


    That is a good attempt at scoring some political points however, it ignores why America continues to lose manufacturing jobs.

    We do not pay industrial workers $1 – 3 an hour as is typical in China and other developing nations that are winning the import war.

    But, perhaps, maybe we should start paying Americans such terrible wages what do you say?

  4. Demonbeck says:

    Yeah, why don’t we scrap capitalism altogether and close our borders to all trade.

    That’s the ticket!

  5. Rpolitic says:

    That is an interesting thought and suggestion that I am trying to score points. If that is a bonus of what I wrote great. The fact is it is cheaper to close a non-unionized plant than an union plant. That is just a fact. I don’t want to close the borders and never suggested it.

    It is true that the cost to pay workers is cheaper but what is not usually discussed is the shipping costs, the import costs and the logistics of making sure products do not exceed predetermined quotas.

    I grew up in the garment industry in the north east. My family moved their factories off shore due to the affect of the unions. All of the headaches and logistic problems were worth the move.

  6. And Grant Free Trade to which Industries?


    Senate focuses on importing medication
    By Gregory Lopes
    March 8, 2007

    The Bush administration yesterday favored keeping the ban on importing prescription drugs despite a new Democratic majority in Congress that supports allowing lower-priced medications from countries such as Canada.
    The Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee yesterday debated legislation introduced by Sen. Byron L. Dorgan, North Dakota Democrat, that would establish safeguards designed to ensure prescription drugs brought into the United States from Canada are not harmful. For instance, the bill directs the Food and Drug Administration to inspect Canadian drug exporters 12 times a year, far more frequently than U.S. drug makers.

  7. rugby_fan says:

    Rpolitics, yes unions do have an affect on how much we pay workers &c..

    However, in America we do have a system of mores that says our workers deserve more than a pittance for their labor, and that is totally independent of any work that labor has done with minimum wage and other such programs.

    Many countries do not have similar standards. Therefore even with import and transit costs, it is still much cheaper to not have to pay decent wages, workers compensation so and so forth.

    You can attempt to put the onus for this on unions and regulations all you want (thus making a thinly veiled attempt to score political points), but that is not the reason for industrial jobs moving overseas.

  8. Rpolitic says:

    Rugby have you been to these countries where you impy we underpay the labor. What they are paid by american companies is typically much more generous then local companies and provide them with a much stronger quality of life. We can not apply our standard of living on that of a developing nation.

  9. rugby_fan says:

    What US companies pay in relation to local businesses is irrelevant.

    What is important (and the reason we lose these jobs) is that MNCs from all over the world can (and do) pay near slave wages to their employees in developing nations.

    Once you recognize this, you will see why we lose these jobs.

  10. Rpolitic says:

    You can make those accusations all day but the fact is you are applying a western, modernized standard of living to that of developing nations. It is not an apples to apples comparison.

  11. rugby_fan says:

    No I am not! How many times must I say this; the reason we lose jobs in manufacturing is because MNCs can pay virtually nothing to employees in developing nations.

    I understand that other nations do not have the same standards we do, I said it in my second comment.

    My comparison shows why we lose jobs. It is because in America we do not pay people slave wages. That is it. If you think this is not valid to the argument you are a fool.

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