Not a bad effort to make amends.

Erick,

Don’t be a jerk like Mad Dog.

My thoughts in general, it’s too soon to mandate use of this ’shot’ at $400 per each. On the personal side, which is where Erick and Bull have plenty of passion, I know several young women who have been raped by ‘adult’ men. (I did a lot of volunteer work in a mental health organization years ago.)

Sadly, women still have to deal with rape and with the increased ‘base’ of human knowledge women also have to deal with rape and possible cancer.

It’s almost impossible to assure a relatively young woman that “God” is not punishing her for “partying too hard” by giving her cancer.

All of that is far more cryptic than my usual madness but I’ve seen more than one young woman deal with medical problems, including the possibility of cancer, as the result of something resembling “date rape” by a family friend.

If the “shot” stops cancer, take over the company, nationalize it, give the shot away for free.

In my irrational world, R&D expenses are not to be recovered by sales. No R&D, no sales. No risk, no return.

In reality, price is whatever the market will bear. Theories that prices are cost driven are apologetic crap.

And, to give a shout out to the Drjay, PP is seldom anything more than an internet chat room full of teenaged kids with $3000 laptop computers. So, expect the petty. On the other hand, the issues of healthcare and mandatory preventative measures are properly public debate. Nothing better seldom gets discussed in politics.

I don’t care for the “ideal” argument. Arguing perfection is great over a couple of beers, but never actually gets anywhere. BUT… keep in mind that even in a less than ideal libertarian/free market society, vaccinations would be produced by more drug companies, and competition will have driven the prices down so everyone can afford vaccinations.

Free markets, with individuals making choices for themselves, lead to better things. Some people will always choose poorly. Just like they do today. If the government forces an action on everyone because of those who won’t make the “right” decision, it just leaves idiots the opportunity to make another bad decision in it’s place.

If you’d like to get involved and support the Savannah Relay For Life!

If anyone is interested in rubbing elbows with cancer survivors, their family and friends as they raise awareness, funds, support, education, Relay for Life is a good place to start.

Our local kick off for this years campaign was last week.

Erick,

I had no idea about your wife. I’m so very sorry. I know first hand how hard it is and how stressing it is when dealing with cancer issues. I literally didn’t catch anything in your message besides the, not so fast part.

Please know that had I known about the situation with your wife and your own experiences with cancer, I would have never said such an insensitive comment such as I did.

I will also post my comments under your post so that everyone else can see them as well.

Again, I’m truly sorry, I did not mean to be insensitive to your personal situation.

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We all make mistakes sometimes and I made one in my comments in regards to Erick’s comments about the vaccinations against HPV and the promises of it as a vaccine for Cervical Cancer.

Those of you who know me, and that is a small group, know that I’m a very sincere person and would never maliciously make a comment to hurt someone else.

Having had cancer and having lost one of my best friends from the disease, as well as countless family members, I know all too well how hard and difficult the disease can be on people.

Erick, I think if you and I put our heads together, we could probably find a unique and innovative way to give voice to people in Georgia to help raise awareness of special and unique issues that affect people and families with cancer.

Again, I want Erick to know I’m sorry for the insensitivity of my comment and I want this board to know that as well.

On a good day, and the right diet, you would be surprised of what the human body is capable.

I have a real hard time believing that anything the Washington Times writes is not the one-hundred-and-ten-percent accurate!

Your research and facts may change some people’s opinions, but NOT MINE!!

Please, take your blasphemies elsewhere.

I can go back to his whiny posts regrading people like me bitching about ASH while other people (like GOPeach, et al.) were hammering Sue Everhart, and Bull Moose throws his marbles on the ground and walks off the thread by stating “I wont’ support EITHER of them! Booh-hoo-HOOO!!!! Wahhhh!”

Again, libertarian ideals just don’t work–and public health is just one of the most obvious ways they fail.

Let me clear up a few inaccuracies above, however:

If the HPV vaccine is mandated, then so should the annual Flu vaccine. More individuals die from the Flu each and every year then from the 4 out of 100 HPV viruses.

Yes and no. More people do die. However, the correlation between HPV and cancer is much higher than between the flu and death, and furthermore the flu vaccine is an educated guess at what flu might be present in the population this year. So it never addresses all strains of the disease and the extent to which it addresses the strains varies from year to year.

Third, what are the unintended consequences of this bill? You’ve got dumb-assed kids who think Oral Sex isn’t sex. Next you’re gonna have some 13 year old say “Well, we can have [unsafe] sex because you’ve been vaccinated against STDs”.

I hate this argument. First, it’s wrong — vaccination history has practically nothing to do with the onset of sexual activity. Second, it’s the kind of mindset that means that when kids DO have sex, they’re not protected — against a disease that has a very strong correlation to a cancer that sickens and kills many each year.

Re: “cash cow” arguments — the vaccine will belong to one company since they developed it for a few years. Then it’ll decrease in price and expand in suppliers. There is no conspiracy — just the usual R&D process.

Here are just a few. Will research Individual Corporate Officers, Opaque PACS and associated Law Firms at a later date. Sorry to bother you guys with underlying facts:

Candidate Name: Balfour II, Donald Kenneth
State Senate District 9
Sought Reports Registration Information
FilerID Office C2006000169
Year 2006 State Senate
District 9

http://www.ethics.ga.gov/Reports/Campaign/Campaign_Name.aspx?NameID=465&FilerID=C2006000169

Merck & Co. Inc.
Dupont-Merck Plaza
Wilmington, DE 19880-1988
09/08/2006
Monetary $500.00

Philip Morris USA, Inc.
120 Park Ave.
New York, NY 10017-1001
09/13/2006
Monetary $1,000.00

Walgreens
200 Wilmont Rd.
Deerfield, IL 60015
11/13/2006
Monetary $1,000.00

Pharmacy Services Taxable, Inc.
213 Third St. P.O. Box 63
Macon, GA 31088
10/10/2006
Monetary $2,000.00

Abbott Laboratories PAC
100 Abbott Park Rd.
Abbott Park, IL 60064-6028
07/27/2006
Monetary $500.00

Genentech, Inc.
P.O. Box 9030
San Francisco, CA 94083-9030
08/24/2006
Monetary $250.00

GlaxoSmithKline, Inc.
P.O. Box 13681
Philadelphia, PA 19101-3661
07/08/2006
Monetary $1,000.00

Bayer Corporation
100 Bayer Rd.
Pittsburgh, GA 15205
06/08/2006
Monetary $500.00

Bristol-Myers Squibb Company
P.O. Box 840769
Houston, GA 77284
05/10/2006
Monetary $1,000.00

GlaxoSmithKline, Inc.
P.O. Box 13681
Philadelphia, GA 19101-3661
06/13/2006
Monetary $1,000.00

Novartis Corp.
One Health Plaza
East Hanover, GA 07936-0793
05/05/2006
Monetary $500.00

Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of Ameri
1100- 15th Street, NW
Washington D.C., GA 20005
06/22/2006
Monetary $500.00

1) Pharmacy Services Taxable, Inc.
213 Third St. P.O. Box 63
Macon, GA 31088
01/02/2006
Monetary $500.00
2) Pharmacy Services Taxable, Inc.
213 Third St. P.O. Box 63
Macon, GA 31088
01/02/2006
Monetary $500.00

Waffle House
5986 Financial Dr.
Norcross, GA 30071-2949
04/18/2006
Monetary $2,000.00

Titlemax Management
15 Bull St.
Savannah, GA 31401
09/05/2006
Monetary $1,000.00

Posted 10:30a.m. 2/28/07 on Peach Pundit but Erick would not let it go through.

Here are just a few. Will research Individual Corporate Officers, Opaque PACS and associated Law Firms at a later date. Sorry to bother you guys with underlying facts:

Candidate Name: Balfour II, Donald Kenneth
State Senate District 9
Sought Reports Registration Information
FilerID Office C2006000169
Year 2006 State Senate
District 9

http://www.ethics.ga.gov/Reports/Campaign/Campaign_Name.aspx?NameID=465&FilerID=C2006000169

Merck & Co. Inc.
Dupont-Merck Plaza
Wilmington, DE 19880-1988
09/08/2006
Monetary $500.00

Philip Morris USA, Inc.
120 Park Ave.
New York, NY 10017-1001
09/13/2006
Monetary $1,000.00

Walgreens
200 Wilmont Rd.
Deerfield, IL 60015
11/13/2006
Monetary $1,000.00

Pharmacy Services Taxable, Inc.
213 Third St. P.O. Box 63
Macon, GA 31088
10/10/2006
Monetary $2,000.00

Abbott Laboratories PAC
100 Abbott Park Rd.
Abbott Park, IL 60064-6028
07/27/2006
Monetary $500.00

Genentech, Inc.
P.O. Box 9030
San Francisco, CA 94083-9030
08/24/2006
Monetary $250.00

GlaxoSmithKline, Inc.
P.O. Box 13681
Philadelphia, PA 19101-3661
07/08/2006
Monetary $1,000.00

Bayer Corporation
100 Bayer Rd.
Pittsburgh, GA 15205
06/08/2006
Monetary $500.00

Bristol-Myers Squibb Company
P.O. Box 840769
Houston, GA 77284
05/10/2006
Monetary $1,000.00

GlaxoSmithKline, Inc.
P.O. Box 13681
Philadelphia, GA 19101-3661
06/13/2006
Monetary $1,000.00

Novartis Corp.
One Health Plaza
East Hanover, GA 07936-0793
05/05/2006
Monetary $500.00

Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of Ameri
1100- 15th Street, NW
Washington D.C., GA 20005
06/22/2006
Monetary $500.00

1) Pharmacy Services Taxable, Inc.
213 Third St. P.O. Box 63
Macon, GA 31088
01/02/2006
Monetary $500.00
2) Pharmacy Services Taxable, Inc.
213 Third St. P.O. Box 63
Macon, GA 31088
01/02/2006
Monetary $500.00

Waffle House
5986 Financial Dr.
Norcross, GA 30071-2949
04/18/2006
Monetary $2,000.00

Titlemax Management
15 Bull St.
Savannah, GA 31401
09/05/2006
Monetary $1,000.00

The CDC’s ACIP minutes for June of 2006 are at http://www.cdc.gov/nip/ACIP/minutes/acip-min-jun06.txt . In it, the decision of all but two of the panel members (Dr. Abramson being part of the majority) was that the panel would recommend routine vaccination of all girls ages 11-12, with language explaining the safety and reasons for vaccination as young as age 9. The phrasing, by the way, is the same language as used for justifying vaccination for MMR, polio, and several other diseases. Which, as any parent of a student in public school knows, is mandatory.

Oh – yes, the test included children. That’s mentioned in the same minutes.

Argue whether it’s a good plan or not, fine. And I appreciate good support on either side. But I thought I’d point out this particular evidence – the Washington Times article – is suspect.

Please don’t censor Bull Moose, you know as well as i do that you need people to challenge your thinking and motivate you to do the type of research as posted above. So, please don’t get in the habit of censoring people when they disagree with your position.

I followed your wife’s illness here on PP and she was in my prayers. I wondered why you didn’t repetitively emphaisize research on our coal burning energy producer nearby and the Federal air quality mandate that we are under that may have contributed to her conditon.

In the meantime, run Balfour’s contributor list to help us determine what his real motivation was/is on this issue. You might lose the potential to get Waffle House free passes but it will be worth it.

thanks and be well buddy,
Victor Jones
Macon, Ga