BREAKING NEWS: GAGOP Chairman’s Race May Shake Up

I’m hearing that a new candidate may enter the race who will not only shake things up, but get my full support.

Between Sue and Anthony, it’s a no brainer. But I have to say, we might want to hold off on the coronation. I’m hearing that Max Burns just might throw his hat in the race.

I think folks might now want to hold off their endorsements on the assumption that the field has not been fully fleshed out, like so many were thinking.

83 comments

  1. ColinATL says:

    Apologies to Fogle & the rest of the GOP crowd, but I just don’t think Max Burns was that great of a Congressman. He’s a super smart & nice guy, no doubt. But he was basically a lap dog (head of the freshman class) to the Republican leadership during one of the most corrupt Congresses EVER. Just my 2 cents.

  2. jackson says:

    Max Burns? Awesome. Love that guy. I think he is can be a great spokesman for us. He can raise money too.

  3. ColinATL says:

    GAWire, I’m guessing that just about all of us don’t know what it’s like to be a Congressman, freshman or otherwise. How is that relevant to my point?

  4. jackson says:

    I would hardly call Max a lapdog. Where his votes much different than the rest of the Republican members from GA?

  5. GAWire says:

    I know what its like to work in a freshman’s office and the point is that a freshman doesn’t have a choice except to do everything he can for the Leadership (if he wants to be there after his/her first term). So, it’s not as though Burns was a lap dog for corrupt leaders … he was just a freshman. Move on.

  6. landman says:

    Did anyone really believe the field was set?
    Max would be a good choice and will garner alot of support should he seek this position.
    Many people were wanting an alternative and this is a good one.

  7. Tommy_a2b says:

    I hear this is just positioning to get ready to run again for Congress. Here is the tip of the day. I also hear he is trying to move (yes I know it is not required) to Charlie Norwood’s District. So if he runs will he commit to staying in the Position for the full term?

  8. jackson says:

    You have to love folks that are attacking a good, decent Republican because they are scared that he may run. That makes me think all the more that he should.

  9. Erick says:

    Landman, I think Max is the perfect alternative and he’d have my full support.

    But, yes, with John having made no moves, a lot of people really did think the field was set.

  10. jackson says:

    You’re right, commonsense. Anyone that has lost a race twice (even if the last one might have been stolen) should never run for any type of position again. They are worthless.

    Now I remember why I can’t stand party politics.

  11. Tommy_a2b says:

    Jackson, I assume you are reffering to my comment. I would be glad to support Max at which ever position he reaally wants. I just want someone who is commited to the position. Not someone who is going to skip as soon as the election for chair is over causing the need for a special election for Chairman. If he anounces he is running for Congress he would have to leave the State GOP position. Hold your panties on next time and try to understand that not all of us enjoy musical chairs.

  12. Jack S says:

    Finally, a good candidate emerges. We had this discussion before. We need someone who understands grassroots and that our elected officials will trust to run a sharp political operation.

    Clearly max here.

    Please run max!!!!!

  13. Bill Simon says:

    GaWire Sez: “I know what its like to work in a freshman’s office and the point is that a freshman doesn’t have a choice except to do everything he can for the Leadership (if he wants to be there after his/her first term).”

    SO, Wire, tell us exactly how the “leadership” of a caucus can make sure someone doesn’t get elected in their OWN district again back home?

  14. Tommy_a2b says:

    Erick all I can tell you is that people who are close to Congressman Norwood tell me Max is saying he is moving into the district but “will not challenge CN is a primary.” Sounds to me as if he thinks CN district would be a safe run if CN retires. CN health has gotten really bad as of late I am praying he recovers fully.

  15. MidGaDawg says:

    They can support his opponent in the primary. They can make sure no federal money flows to his district. They can choose not to use their considerable fundraising means (both the party’s and individuals’) to re-elect him.

    Just to name a few…

  16. Jimbo says:

    I knew the Governor would find someone to run and boy did he!

    I knew you guys would change your tune.

    Will still support either Sue or Anthony. Nothing has changed

  17. Bill Simon says:

    Erick,

    BFD. I have seen lots of people elected to Congress without the “help” of the NRCC.

    You and Wire think that because ass*oles like Tom DeLay went around threatening people of what wouldhappen if they didn’t toe HIS line, that he could actually affect what happened in those districts.

    I know a Republican Congressman by the name of Ron Paul in Texas who doesn’t toe ANY line from the crooked Republicans, and…he got (and gets) reelected every time he runs…even though, he gives a big middle finger to the goals of the corrupt Republican leadership.

    Please, stop making excuses for wussy Republican members of Congress. If you don’t have the balls to go into a fight to defend the integrity of the system, you don’t belong in the game. Period.

  18. Erick says:

    You know Bill, if you would pull your head out of your ass on occasion you’d realize that there are some Congressmen not in such safe districts as Ron Paul and those Congressmen do have to toe the line occasionally or risk loss of support from the party.

  19. Bill Simon says:

    You know, Erick, my head is facing forward while I type this.

    Don’t give me any frigging excuses as to the bow-down and scraping that ANY member of congress has to do in order to get along with the den of thieves, okay?

    I actually thought you were a person who cared more about integrity than “party-line” bullshit. Guess I was wrong.

  20. Bill Simon says:

    Oh…DO tell me how dangerous Tom Price’s district was to cause him to “toe” the party line? Yeah, Buddy…that damned 6th District is just teetering on the edge of falling into the Dem party;s habds.

  21. Bill Simon says:

    The fact is, Tom DeLay was a CROOK all during those years he was the Whip. And, you’re making excuses for the reasons why a freshman congressman had to support the actions of a crook?

    Puh-friggin’-leaze!

  22. Erick says:

    Wow Bill. We may have to change your user name to LINDA. Whoa. Get back on the meds there, buddy.

    Your talking points are right out of a LaRouche playbook. I guess the GOP should not have balanced the budget back in 1998 because Tom DeLay whipped them into doing it.

    I guess they should not have cut the Dept. of Education budget in 1999 in favor of state block grants, because, you know, Tom DeLay pushed them to.

    I guess they should not have passed welfare reform, because, as you have so ably said:

    Tom DeLay was a CROOK all during those years he was the Whip. And, you’re making excuses for the reasons why a freshman congressman had to support the actions of a crook?

    Yep, they should have done exactly opposite what Tom DeLay wanted.

  23. Jace Walden says:

    Erick,

    I don’t think Bill is arguing that it is politically smart to toe the party line. With that being said, I agree with Bill’s sentiments though.

    If you’re more interested in getting re-elected than you are with legislating with principle, then you are a pussy. Not only that, you have also betrayed your constituents.

    Besides, what’s all of the “party line” talk about anyway? There is very little difference in a Washington Democrat and a Washington Republican, VERY little difference. It’s starting to become just as bad here in Georgia.

    The GOP is not interested in small government anymore. If it was, then people who bucked the party’s big-government tirade would have been praised rather than shunned.

    Tom Delay might have done one or two good things. But even a broken clock is right twice a day…that doesn’t mean I make my appointments by it.

  24. Jace Walden says:

    With that being said, why all the drama about Max Burns? The dude couldn’t win a Congressional Race in a district that was specially carved out just for him…

    How does that make him qualified to do anything?

  25. Bull Moose says:

    Max Burns would be an excellent choice to lead the party forward.

    Put Bull Moose in the Pro Max Burns camp for State Party Chairman.

  26. Jace Walden says:

    Mind elaborating on that one Bull?

    And please, keep the platitudes like “Max Burns is a principled Conservative leader” to yourself.

    What makes Max Burns, a dude who couldn’t win an election in a district that was drawn specifically for him, qualified to lead anything?

  27. Bill Simon says:

    Erick,

    I’m sorry…while I am on meds (Advil), I do not appear to be taking the meds YOU are.

    What does Tom DeLay’s act of “balancing of the budget in 1998” (as you state) have to do with Congressman Max-Kiss-DeLay’s-Ass-Burns on, say, the Terry Schiavo affair, or, say, voting on the budget-busting Highway Bill, or ANY number of other budget-busting bills proposed and passed by a “Republican Congress?”

    Max Burns may be a “nice guy”…but, as far as being an inspirational, conservative “leader,” he’s yet to demonstrate that trait.

    Bull, you apparently like ass-kissers to represent you in Congress. You love Jack Kingston who held the toilet paper for Tom Delay and Dennis Hastert, and now, you’re spilling over with enthusiasm for an unprincipled former congressman to lead you as head of the Georgia GOP.

    Whatever is in the water down there in Savannah, I sure hope it stays there.

  28. Mike Hauncho says:

    jackson,

    Here is a bit of history for you. Lincoln lost about 4 different races if not more before he won his first race which just happened to be President. I guess he was worthless too.

  29. commonsense says:

    Yeah Lincoln’s late ad buy really shifted the leaners into his favor…and Lincoln, didn’t he spend his years in retirement lobbying?

    If you guys want to elect someone to lead your party who can’t win a place Bush won and a place Sonny killed in let me know whom I should make the check out to.

  30. GAWire says:

    Bill, part of your arguments say that every single elected official should think exactly like you or they are wrong (in which case you make fun and call them names), while other times you make it sound as though every politician should run around doing whatever they want not listening to Party leadership or agenda.

    What is it? Here it is …

    You just want to disagree. You want to make fun and create controversy. You want to make fun of good leaders and bash qualified people b/c they might not meet your ridiculous litmus test. You make fun of people for standing on issues that you disagree on, but you sound absolutely absurd defending your side of it (if you can at all).

    The fact is, Bill, no one cares about what you are saying. I mean, at one point, you were remotely witty about your stances … now you just cuss and call names. And for what? You’re ripping on Max Burns for following direction from Party leadership as a freshman Congressman. I mean, get real … have you ever actually worked in politics? Are you so naive and moronic that you don’t believe every single MoC including Ron Paul has followed Party leadership, which includes Tom DeLay at some point?

    So who do you support for GAGOP Chair? Whoever it is, assuming they have worked in GA politics in the past and are qualified (i.e. not s/o like your boy running against Tom Price) then at some point they must have followed direction from Ralph Reed. That’s right, Bill … the most hated and loved man in Georgia – your friends followed him in one way or another at some point in the past. Why/how do I know this? Because he was GAGOP Chair, and we all were forced to follow his leadership in one way or another. That’s how it works.

    Guess what, any politician you like and support has at some point followed leadership, whether it was DeLay, Newt, Dick Armey or whoever. And anyone new you support for office will eventually do the same if ever elected. If not, then they will never actually be elected.

    Newsflash: that’s how it works! So, either make a valid argument to make people even consider what you are saying or just stop altogether. You obviously don’t understand what you are talking about when you say most of the things you do.

    So, you can continue making fun of people like Max Burns or whatever, but just understand, it isn’t getting you anywhere. You often make fun of the religious right for operating on the fringe, but you are so much worse than those people are. I mean, do you want to have an impact or do you want to be one person flopping around like a [mentally challenged] fish out of water?!? If you think you are being effective doing the latter, then flop away. We will watch and make fun, and then move on, leaving you behind … to flop.

  31. RuralDem says:

    GAWire,

    There’s a difference between following leadership, and simply being a zombie. I’d much rather have someone who disagrees with me and has a valid reason than someone who disagrees simply because they were “told to disagree”. From your posts, it seems that you would not, which is quite sad.

  32. Jeff Emanuel says:

    Rural, that’s not what he’s saying at all. He’s saying – very clearly – that, while folks may work in politics for ideas, there is a hierarchy, and there is leadership, both of which must be followed and answered to.

    We all have bosses and leaders, and we all must suck it up sometimes and do what we have to, rather than exaclty what we want to. The same is true of MoCs – while they may have principles and core beliefs, they also must (a) work with others, and (b) follow the directions of leaders at times, else they will be the least effective members possible.

    Or they could be like “Three Commandments” Westmoreland, and just do nothing. 😉

  33. RuralDem says:

    I understand that entire hierarchy talk. However, there is still a difference between having a backbone and simply being a “yes man”. It seems that some around here would rather simply have a “yes man” representing them than someone who actually thinks.

    Sure, leadership must be followed and answered to, but to a certain extent.

  34. Bull Moose says:

    Bill I think you’re being unreasonable in your negativity toward Max Burns.

    As for Kingston, I do disagree with his leadership in defending Tom DeLay and I believe the record shows that I have been pretty vocal in regards to that matter here on this site.

    Max Burns will be good for the party, but he’s going to have to hire more open minded and victory geared party staff.

  35. Bill Simon says:

    GaWire,

    When you have the BALLS to post under your real name, then I’ll debate who I am and who I’m not.

    Until then, you’re as big a little wussy-boy as Burns and Kingston and any other elected member of Congress who RAN on a ticket of “limited government” and “personal responsibility” but FAILED to implement that very agenda.

    Sit down and shut-up OR let’s see if you have the balls to come introduce your wussy-assed self in person at the Gwinnett GOP State Convention this year. Until THAT time, Jackass, I don’t give a shit what YOU say or what YOU think about ANYTHING! Dig it, Wussy-Boy?

  36. SevenHillsDem says:

    If there’s a special election in the next two years for Norwood’s seat it will be wide open. I imagine possible candidates on the GOP side will be Max Burns (if he does move into the district), Brian Kemp, fmr. Athens Mayor Doc Eldridge, Jim Whitehead, Bob Smith, Ralph Hudgens, and a few Columbia County Commissioners. I’m unsure of which Democrats would eye it, but I imagine Jeanette Jamieson, Carol Jackson, Terry Holley, and former Athens Commissioner Tom Chasteen would consider it. I doubt Alan Powell or Charles Jenkins would look at it.

  37. Bill Simon says:

    Breaking News,SevenHills …a person does not have to live in the congressional district they are running for in order to be eligible for the seat. All they have to do is make sure they live in the state in which the district lies.

    So, Max Burns does not have to move to a district to run for it.

  38. bowersville says:

    I think the grassroots types will have more to say about who represents this district than some opportunist carpetbagger, which is exactly how Max will be seen whether or not he moves to Dahlonega. He needs to stick with running for the GaGOP chair, if that’s what he wants to do. And if he runs and is elected, he needs to stay with the job he’s elected for. If he’s defeated for the chair, well, write this district off your list. That’s a fact!

    Charlie, you are in our prayers for a speedy recovery.

  39. bowersville says:

    You know, the more I think about this the more it p*sses me off. I’m a nobody, just a voter, but Burns needs to forget running for congress in our district.

    If you knowledged pundits try to force Max on us for congress, you will get the same result as you got in the race for the 29th house. The GaGOP poured money into the 29th and to no avail. The R lost 3-1. But have outsiders learned anything? H*ll no! They wouldn’t listen, they tried to force a Reed type candidate on us. Everywhere I went and talked up the R, I was told Glenn Richardson needs to keep his nose out of this!

    If and when there is an open seat in this district, it won’t be Max. But, again, don’t listen. Be myopic, let the seat go to Jeanette or Carol on the D side. Or better yet, let it go to Alan Powell.

  40. landman says:

    Bowersville,I dont think you have to worry too much about Burns running for Congress in your district whether he wins the GOP Chair or not it will not happen.
    You will be looking at a possible 3 way race with Hudgens,Kemp and Fleming if I had to guess at this early date but I dont see Burns in there at all.
    Hopefully Max will answer the call and run for the GOP Chair he would make a good one and I think he would win it. This nonsense of attacking him because he lost a race in a very tight District only shows the ignorance of some on this site.

  41. Jimbo says:

    I think the hierachy withing the Georgia GOP have a problem with a woman being Chairman. I h ave heard this sentiment from several women whom I converse with on a regualr basis. These women are GOP activists. I think that is why the Gov has a problem with Sue Everhart being Chairman. She would seem to be in the natural line of progression with all her years of service.

    I will still support either Sue or Anthony for Chairman. I don’t want the Gov’s handpicked candidate again.

  42. drjay says:

    lets be a little more respectful of congressman norwood than to be picking his potential successors in some imaginary special election.

  43. drjay says:

    also if max burns is serious about being gop chair that would be great. he would have my full support for sure. he’s a hard worker, a good fundraiser, very in touch w/ the grassroots while still having the savvy of being a phd and knows both sides of politics having legislated and lobbied. he pulled an upset to even win the gop nomination over barbara dooley, yes he lost a couple os close races but there are things to be learned from that as well that i’m sure he can apply to this position.

  44. Bill Simon says:

    If Max Burns runs against Sue Everhart for chair of the state GOP, and LOSES to her, he won’t be eligible for homeroom class president at the local nursery-school, much less ANY congressional seat.

    And, yes, Adam Fogle, Max is going to be in for the fight of his life if he tries to go up against Sue Everhart…a person who knows MORE Republican politicos in all of Georgia than Max Burns knows in his lil’ ole’ congressional district.

  45. Clint Austin says:

    A POINT OF HISTORY:

    Max Burns did not run in a seat that was “drawn for him.” It had possibly the highest base Democrat vote of any seat where a Republican did well in the congressional elections this year – in the entire country. In fact, Burns has overperformed in all his races against the GOP baseline in his districts.

    I am not picking Burns’ side in the chairman’s race, because to my knowledge he is not a candidate at this point, and I certainly have nothing but good feelings about Sue Everhart.

    I just want to point out Burns’ did not lose a “safe GOP seat drawn for him” as some might be apt to believe by reading some of the commentary here.

  46. drjay says:

    very good point clint, one i had actually meant to make earlier but had not gotten around to it. i too have no ill will toward everhart and will support her if max chooses to stay out of this race, but if he is in he will be my choice…

  47. Jace Walden says:

    He lost a seat that had an overwhelming GOP majority. It may not have been drawn “specifically” for him, but it might as well have been. He couldn’t pull it out.

  48. buzzbrockway says:

    Jimbo,

    I haven’t changed my support at all. Why would I, there are only two announced candidates.

    Also, how do you know Max Burns is Sonny’s hand picked candidate? You have no evidence of that. Also your accusation that the GOP refuses to support a woman is unfounded.

    Finally, you accused me and others of blindly following the Governor, yet the only person I see following anyone blindly is you.

  49. GAWire says:

    Keep it up, Bill. You’re exuding competence with your every word. At the state convention, maybe we can meet and then you can insult my wife and I can call you a fata** and then we can go out back and fight it out like bada**es. You may even be able to pick up another 5th tier candidate out of the whole matter (who was that guy you attempted to run against Tom Price again?).

    As for Max … RuralDem and Bill and others, no one wants someone that doesn’t stand for anything, but the point is that isn’t Max Burns. He wasn’t anyone’s lapdog. Did he have to follow leadership at times? Absolutely. Why? He knew he was going to be in the fight of his life to keep his seat and he knew that he would need every single asset he could to help him stay there.

    So, he could have gone against the Party on everything and give his seat away, or he could work with them on important initiatives and then stay there to continue that work.

    You idealistic naive people never cease to amaze me … you have this idea that Mr Smith goes to Washington and changes the world. Well, guess what … that’s not how it works, whether it should or should not work that way is beside the point. I know you must think it is so easy to be a MoC and that they have all the power they want to change the world overnight, but that’s just ridiculous.

    As for Sue, no one is saying she’s bad and wouldn’t do a good job. Many are saying, however, that Max could potentially do more.

  50. Jace Walden says:

    GAWire,

    The difference between you and me is that you expect medicrocrity and business as usual from your MoC. I don’t.

    It may sound idealistic, but when I vote for someone, I expect them to represent me, not the skewed views of a big-government party (GOP). You may disagree. You may want/expect the people you vote for to be lapdogs. And that’s cool if you do, just don’t be condescending towards those of us who actually expect our elected officials to do anything but act like “yes men” and pussies.

  51. rugby_fan says:

    Eh, I guess we all have a puerile side.

    For some of us, we just need it to swell inside of us and then have a gentle stroking for it to come out.

    Now, don’t get me wrong, when it all comes out, it can get messy and it is almost always hard to swallow. Just be careful it doesn’t hit you right in the face, that is not fun.

  52. RuralDem says:

    GAWire,

    I’m not idealistic, but I’m also not a blind follower, which is something you seem to want in a candidate. I’m not saying Burns was nothing but a follower because I’m sure he wasn’t, however, I do think if the GOP leadership were to tell you to jump, you’d gleefully respond with “how high?” in a heartbeat.

  53. Bill Simon says:

    By the way, to everyone BUT GaWire, this “rumor” about the Governor “recruiting” Burns to run is quite incorrect.

    Burns is being “talked to” by a higher entity, but it is not the Governor; it is the RNC looking at the lay of the land in Georgia (of which they are completely clueless about) and deciding, “Damn…we need Max Burns in there because we can get him to lay down for us and purr like a kitten for anything we want him to do…”

    When the grassroots in Georgia hear about how a Republican entity from Washington, D.C. (ESPECIALLY the RNC) is thinking about meddling in the business of this state’s Republican Party, I don’t think you’ll find too many of them agreeing with the RNC’s point of view as to who should and who should not be in charge of the Republican Party of Georgia.

  54. GAWire says:

    Jace, RuralDem et al … no one expects or wants mediocrity or yes men. I want someone with a backbone just as much as you do. But the point is that Max wasn’t/isn’t just a yes man and he didn’t show mediocrity leadership by any means. I mean, c’mon … by your comparisons and arguments, you must not like/support ANY Member of Congress.

    Some people get in and play … others watch from the sidelines. How’s the view over there?

  55. Jace Walden says:

    by your comparisons and arguments, you must not like/support ANY Member of Congress.

    You would be correct. With the exception of one. Other than him, no, I repeat, no congressman has a backbone or principle.

  56. Jace Walden says:

    I asked this question earlier, and no one has answered it yet:

    What has Max Burns done that makes him qualified to lead anything?

    And, I’ll ask this one too:

    What has Max Burns done/not done that makes him non lapdog?

  57. drjay says:

    What has Max Burns done/not done that makes him non lapdog?

    his stance on immigration was far different from the administration’s.

    also jace as a resident of the 12th i can assure you neither the old or new 12th were overwhelmingly gop, the old 12th leaned democratic and you could argue the new was a toss up, but b/c of the voting rights act–it was still 40% african american–no other 40% african american district in the entire u.s has a gop representative…

  58. Jace Walden says:

    Okay…so he bucked the administration on one issue out of a myriad of abuses and problems. ONE issue? Is that it?

    What did he do to reign in spending? What did he do to reform earmarks? What did he do to stop the administration from increasing the size of the government more than Bill Clinton? What did he do while Bill Frist, Denny Hastert, et. al. wet their pants over a non-issue like Terry Schaivo? What did he do to exercise his authority as a “check” against the executive branch?

    In other words, how was he any different?

  59. drjay says:

    i did not live in his district when he was in congress–but he campaigned on among other things a balanced budget ammendment, and supported, there linder “fair tax idea”, probably to the point of liaibility in this particular district.

  60. Jace Walden says:

    Yeah, and about 100% of GOP candidates “campaign” on small government.

    About .03% of them actually believe in it.

    Again, I await the proof from somebody…

  61. IndyInjun says:

    Max Burns is finished.

    Real conservatives have now accurately branded Burns as an IMPOSTER amongst them TWICE.

    Does the GOP have a death wish or what?

  62. Bill Simon says:

    Oh yeahhh…okay, I retract the ONE comment I made on Burns regarding his involvement in the Terri Schiavo intervention. Everything else still pretty much stands as to his record.

    By the way, why did he originally lose the seat?

  63. drjay says:

    By the way, why did he originally lose the seat?

    he was a gop in a fairly democrat district who lost a nailbiter in 04 after being pounded for supporting a nat’l sales tax –as i recall–he got a 5% rating for americans for democratic action in his 1st year on the job–he is not some raging liberal–or “false conservative” whatever that is…

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