Question of the Day?

Is this being practical or is this petty vindictiveness due to Senator Staton’s support of Ralph Reed in the primary? Considering it is popular with voters and a great wedge issue with Democrats, Cagle is either being foolish or vindictive on this.


  1. VictoratGaImproper says:

    If you want to talk about vindictivenes, ask Dave Johnson why Reed & Staton did to his local Christian Coaliton Chapter after he endorsed Cagle.

  2. RuralDem says:


    You mean it’s popular with Republican voters correct? A wedge issue is not going to be popular with both sides if it’s a wedge issue.

    I’d go as far as saying it’s a great issue against rural Republicans and rural Democrats. There you go, that’s much better.

  3. Erick says:

    Actually, RuralDem, it is popular with a solid majority of all voters. It wedges the Dems because some of them are inclined to support it.

  4. RuralDem says:


    I would be inclined to agree to an extent. I know a majority of people I have spoken to about it DO agree with it.

    That is, until they find out about the absentee issue.

    So, when you say a solid majority of voters support it, are these voters also being told about the changes in absentee voting?

    I believe when the voters are told more than “this will make people have a photo id at the poll” they usually tend to see the partisanship in the bill.

  5. Not a single Democratic member who voted against photo ID requirements in the last general assembly lost their seat, and I don’t believe any Republican candidates even made it an issue (successfully)…they prefered to focus on issues that voters actually cared about passionately.

    Polls show that similar (and large) majorities favor photo ID but also beer sales on Sunday. However, the failure to pass either piece of legislation will not defeat any incumbent. We should be smart enough to distinguish between two (or more) issues that are both “popular” but may not move voters in equal measures.

    Cagle has clearly determined that the Republican party/primary is close to completing a full reversal from the old Democratic party/primary, that is the elections will be decided in the primary and most voters will vote there. I don’t think it’s ever a bad thing to appeal to general election voters (like Cagle is trying to do here) but I think the Democratic primary will be alive and well in 2010. There will still be races for Congress, US Senate and local office, even if we do have a field clearer like Thurbert Baker in the Senate or Gubernatorial primary.

    Keeping that in mind, and predicting that the GOP primary will still be somewhat dominated by conservative activists, I advise Cagle to see gopdoc’s comments on another thread, the ones about photo ID stirring emotions like no other issue with the activists. Clearly Cagle is going out of his way to “poison” Richardson right now by being gracious and bipartisan in comparison to Richardson’s spectacular ego-driven flameout, but Cagle should keep in mind that even if Richardson flames out, there will be some other conservative firebrand (Lynn Westmoreland, perhaps) in a gubernatorial or senate primary that he’ll still have to contend with.

    At the end of the day, though, a contentious constitutional amendment like this doesn’t have the votes in the House or the Senate to pass, so starting some sort of Republican fratricide (which I encourage! go ahead guys!) is really just crying over spilled milk.

  6. Harry says:

    It appears likely the appeals process will reverse the lower courts and permit voter ID anyway, so a constitutional amendment will be unnecessary.

  7. Erick, this certainly has nothing to do with Cecil’s support of Ralph. That hatchet had been buried a long time ago. This has everything to do with getting the agenda you ran on passed.

    We have a highly competent Secretary of State who has pledged to work to stamp out voter fraud. The law that was enacted is not dead and has not been repealed, and may survive tha appeals process.

    Cagle pledged to work in a bi-partisan fashion to move this state forward. He is doing precisely that. Ultimately, any individual regardless of their political affiliation wants similar things (a good job, nice home, freedom to pursue your dream). It’s effective governance vs. politics. Cagle ran on a bold agenda that the vast majority of Georgians agreed with. So does he want to embellish perceived controversy at the onset of a session and stymie his own agenda? You are able to attract more with honey than vinegar.

    Cecil Staton is, unquestionably, one of the most competent and effective leaders in this state. I hardly doubt this deters him from continuing to build consensus to achieve his agenda as well.

  8. GAPeach says:

    I think this is less about politics and more about the actual law. There are still several court cases involving it that haven’t been heard. The interested parties probably want to see those resolved before they push another piece of legislation.

  9. atlantaman says:


    I pretty much agree with your analysis, the only thing I would ad is there is a difference between issues with great polling numbers and issues that drive people to the polls.

    The polling on voter photo ID is very high in favor of the bill, but is it an issue that drives people to the polls? Ironically while the majority of the folks will favor it in a phone interview, most do not care enough about it as motivating issue to vote…except for the blacks. The blacks get so fired up over this issue they would walk 5 miles in 100 degree heat to vote against voter photo ID – and every Republican candidate on the ballot.

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