Erick asked that we not stir the pot, but…

In 2004, John Kerry said this about Dick Cheney’s daughter:

“We’re all God’s children, Bob, and I think if you were to talk to Dick Cheney’s daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that she’s being who she was. She’s being who she was born as. I think if you talk to anybody, it’s not a choice.”

Cheney responded thusly:

“You saw a man who will do and say anything to get elected, and I am not just speaking as a father here, although I am a pretty angry father,” Cheney said.

Today, this was said:

Janice Crouse of Concerned Women for America described the pregnancy as “unconscionable.”

“It’s very disappointing that a celebrity couple like this would deliberately bring into the world a child that will never have a father,” said Crouse, a senior fellow at the group’s think tank. “They are encouraging people who don’t have the advantages they have.”

Cheney’s response:

The vice president’s office declined to elaborate on the circumstances of Mary Cheney’s pregnancy.

I have learned a very powerful lesson about Dick Cheney today. Say whatever nasty things you want about him or his family, but don’t try and say anything nice or god forbid try to be his friend. If you’re lucky he’ll just say some nasty things about you to the press, if you’re not lucky he may shoot you!

22 comments

  1. Adam Fogle says:

    “Erick asked that we not stir the pot, but…”

    I was expecting to see “I’m an idiot” following the ellipses. But alas, you fooled us all again and decided to say in ten painfully rhetorical paragraphs what you could have said with those three-and-a-half easy words.

  2. Mojo says:

    It’s sick sometimes what people will do or say in the name of politics. Alan Keyes completely disowned his own daughter for being a lesbian. And these are the people with “values?” The only values I see in most conservatives is the lack of.

  3. Paul Shuford says:

    Do you really think that John Kerry was trying to be Dick Cheney’s “friend”, or really trying to say anything nice about him? He was trying to make political hay, and this is the same reason Cheney isn’t responding to Janice Crouse.

  4. JRM2016 says:

    The Cheneys by all accounts are a close family, not that it is the business of anyone on this blog. I think Cheney would probably like to tell both Kerry and Crouse the same thing he told Senator Leahy awhile back. Maybe he is just trying to respect his daughter’s privacy, which seems to be borne out by both incidents you describe.

  5. ColinATL says:

    Cheney is such an easy target, everyone hates the guy. Let’s stir up the pot with someone with a bigger fan base, like Stalin. 🙂

  6. buzzbrockway says:

    What do you want Cheney to do? The guy loves his daughter. How is that a political issue? For Kerry to bring it up was wrong and for people to try to use his daughter against him now is wrong.

    Once people are adults there’s nothing the parents can do, and frankly it none of Dick Cheney’s business what his daughter does, anymore than it’s our business.

  7. Mojo says:

    buzz,

    Yeah, but Cheney rips Kerry for a minor comment and says nada, zip, zilch to Crouse for a much more negative comment. There was nothing negative in Kerry’s comment, it was inappropriate but not negative about Mary Cheney, whereas Crouse basically says that Mary Cheney, as a lesbian, is a second class citizen who doesn’t deserve, or shouldn’t have the privilege, of bringing a child into the world, therefore Mary Cheney is an unfit mother and an unfit human being. I don’t care who said that about my daughter, I’d say something in return and I’d say so publicly in order to defend the honor and dignity of my daughter. Cheney places politics above family and that is sick.

  8. DougieFresh says:

    I think Cheney’s response or lack thereof was appropriate.

    Kerry was running against him in a political contest and evoked the family of his opposition in order to make a political point (a very tacky thing to do). Cheney had very little choice but to respond.

    In this case, a nutcase made a comment they had no business making, and Cheney took a pass. This is generally called class, and in every other area of life, it is the norm.

  9. Pappy says:

    Kerry didn’t “bring it up”. “It” was widely known in political and media circles since the ’00 campaign, and Cheney had been using his daughter’s sexuality as a feather in his compassionate conservative cap way before the senator’s comments on the subject. What made his daughter relevant (notice I didn’t say fair game, as Kerry said nothing but nice things about her) was the campaign’s support of a Federal Marriage Amendment.

    Cheney played it just the right way though, with his mock indignation (conservatives are so good at that) and so on. To the know-nothing general public, it looked like Kerry had just outed the VP’s daughter on national television! So he gets credit for loving his daughter in spite of her homosexuality AND for being on the Marriage Amendment team. Talk about having a kitty and eating it too – maybe the apple didn’t fall so far from the tree after all.

  10. atlantaman says:

    It’s a Catch 22 – if Cheney doesn’t make a huge issue out of it then it looks like he’s not defending his daughter, if he does make a spectacle out of it then it’s like pouring gas on a fire and his daughter receives even more media attention.

    I think most of you Cheney haters enjoy seeing the man in trouble and you’re upset because he’s done the media savvy move and this story is going to disappear very quickly – I’m sure to the delight of his daughter.

  11. DougieFresh says:

    Pappy,

    You are a unique study in inconsistancies, but blind hatred based on politics does that.

    “To the know-nothing general public, it looked like Kerry had just outed the VP’s daughter on national television! ”

    If the public was indeed “know-nothing” and had no awareness of her sexuality, then he did indeed “out” her on national television.

  12. Pappy says:

    Yes. He outed Cheney’s daughter to those people who didn’t already know she was gay.

    If I told you Ken Mehlman was gay and you hadn’t known it before, would I have outed him?

  13. Chris says:

    It also came up in the vp debates and Edwards mentioned Cheney’s daughter, and Cheney rather surprisingly agreed with Edwards’ comment.

  14. DougieFresh says:

    Pappy,

    Spreading other people’s secrets is immoral, no matter how widely you think the secret is known.

    If Kerry felt he had to out the VP’s daughter, then he deserved to lose. If he didn’t feel it had some sort of political value, why did he mention it in the debate.

    Are you sure you want to tie yourself down to defending Kerry, of all people?

  15. Demonbeck says:

    If talking about a certain former Christian Coalition head’s daughter was off-limits, why isn’t this?

  16. gatormathis says:

    What Kerry did was a typical Democrat “supposed” quote.

    He didn’t quote something she actually said, instead reverting to something he said she might say or think.

    To stand on a podium, and use a quote to bring someone’s name into a speech is one thing.

    To stand on a podium, and use a quote attributed to someone, one they never made, and solely for the purpose of disparaging someone else, that is pitiful. And that is exactly what Kerry’s comment was recognized as.

    Maybe it was just an earlier “botched joke” by Kerry, or more aptly, just Kerry being Kerry.

    You know, when you are used to being surrounded by the “help” as the Kerry’s lavish lifestyle offers, you are so used to people just “laughing” at everything you say, it is hard to get out there and cope with the real world.

    When out in the real world, every comment you make isn’t automatically “laughed” at.

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