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	<title>Comments on: Democrats Again Pass on Bishop</title>
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		<title>By: SpaceyG</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2006/12/02/democrats-pass-on-bishop/comment-page-1/#comment-41496</link>
		<dc:creator>SpaceyG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 09:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A &quot;turbulent&quot; past? In American politics? Imagine that! Unless you&#039;re Casey Cagle...  maybe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A &#8220;turbulent&#8221; past? In American politics? Imagine that! Unless you&#8217;re Casey Cagle&#8230;  maybe.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2006/12/02/democrats-pass-on-bishop/comment-page-1/#comment-41453</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 00:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pelosi is certainly coming across as  a not very adept Machiavellian, which ability the position calls for without overly appearing as such.  Hopefully  the House GOP will  get advantage of her ineptness/weaknesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pelosi is certainly coming across as  a not very adept Machiavellian, which ability the position calls for without overly appearing as such.  Hopefully  the House GOP will  get advantage of her ineptness/weaknesses.</p>
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		<title>By: kspencer</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2006/12/02/democrats-pass-on-bishop/comment-page-1/#comment-41452</link>
		<dc:creator>kspencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 23:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I kill a few misconceptions here?

First, and probably most important - the rules for this committee are different than for most others.  For example: there is no &quot;seniority&quot;.  This is tied to another fact - this is one of the few committees for which there are term limits.

Harman was facing something significantly more important than her relationship with Pelosi - the fact that she&#039;d reached the term limits.  To be chair she&#039;d have needed Pelosi to spend capital to get a waiver from the house so she could remain on the committee in the first place.  Given one of the pervasive memes of the Democratic platform this year was that rules are to be followed, this was quite a hurdle.

re Hastings - yes, he was a strong contender.  But much of his case was only strong on the surface.  Setting aside the issue of his ethical history, the weight of the CBC wasn&#039;t really that strong.  See, the CBC has more chairs (proportionally) than any other caucus.  And they got (unexpectedly) their man in as whip.  The CBC support of Hastings for this chair was similar to the support given Jefferson last year - grudging and pro forma.

On the other hand, there&#039;s a caucus that until this had zero chairs.  Yet it&#039;s becoming one of the strong ones - not only with memberships, but with national support.  That&#039;s the hispanic caucus - of which Reyes is a member.

Sorry, folks, but Bishop was a long shot.  So it&#039;s neither a loss for Georgia nor a mark against Pelosi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I kill a few misconceptions here?</p>
<p>First, and probably most important &#8211; the rules for this committee are different than for most others.  For example: there is no &#8220;seniority&#8221;.  This is tied to another fact &#8211; this is one of the few committees for which there are term limits.</p>
<p>Harman was facing something significantly more important than her relationship with Pelosi &#8211; the fact that she&#8217;d reached the term limits.  To be chair she&#8217;d have needed Pelosi to spend capital to get a waiver from the house so she could remain on the committee in the first place.  Given one of the pervasive memes of the Democratic platform this year was that rules are to be followed, this was quite a hurdle.</p>
<p>re Hastings &#8211; yes, he was a strong contender.  But much of his case was only strong on the surface.  Setting aside the issue of his ethical history, the weight of the CBC wasn&#8217;t really that strong.  See, the CBC has more chairs (proportionally) than any other caucus.  And they got (unexpectedly) their man in as whip.  The CBC support of Hastings for this chair was similar to the support given Jefferson last year &#8211; grudging and pro forma.</p>
<p>On the other hand, there&#8217;s a caucus that until this had zero chairs.  Yet it&#8217;s becoming one of the strong ones &#8211; not only with memberships, but with national support.  That&#8217;s the hispanic caucus &#8211; of which Reyes is a member.</p>
<p>Sorry, folks, but Bishop was a long shot.  So it&#8217;s neither a loss for Georgia nor a mark against Pelosi.</p>
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		<title>By: atlantaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>atlantaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 23:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say Fogle has made some pretty good points.  It&#039;s not at all unprecedented and as someone else mentioned, if you are going to eliminate a black from the running you better at least pretend another black had a shot at it to appease the black caucus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say Fogle has made some pretty good points.  It&#8217;s not at all unprecedented and as someone else mentioned, if you are going to eliminate a black from the running you better at least pretend another black had a shot at it to appease the black caucus.</p>
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		<title>By: RuralDem</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2006/12/02/democrats-pass-on-bishop/comment-page-1/#comment-41450</link>
		<dc:creator>RuralDem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 22:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fogle,

Come on. You&#039;re not longer BloggingForMax, it is ok to admit when you are wrong. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fogle,</p>
<p>Come on. You&#8217;re not longer BloggingForMax, it is ok to admit when you are wrong. <img src='http://www.peachpundit.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mojo</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2006/12/02/democrats-pass-on-bishop/comment-page-1/#comment-41449</link>
		<dc:creator>Mojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 22:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, Bishop has only been a Congressman for a few years more...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, Bishop has only been a Congressman for a few years more&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mojo</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2006/12/02/democrats-pass-on-bishop/comment-page-1/#comment-41448</link>
		<dc:creator>Mojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 22:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam Fogle,

&quot;Bishop was on the Intelligence Committee for a few terms prior to the 109th, when he left to fill a vacancy on the Appropriations Committee.&quot;

The operative word being WAS.

&quot;Bishop has four years of seniority on Reyes and has logged more hours on intelligence than Reyes. So the two were basically given equal consideration in the decision.&quot;

Logged more hours?  Hasn&#039;t Reyes served longer on the Intelligence Committee than Bishop?

&quot;It is not at all uncommon for leadership t0 chair an old member of the committee, especially, if like Bishop, they have a great deal of experience.&quot;

Great deal more experience?  Bishop has only been a Congressman a years more than Reyes and Reyes has served longer on the Intelligence Committee than Bishop did.  Great deal more experience?

&quot;This is also the last time I will comment on this because Mojo, for some reason, feels the need to insinuate petty grievances based on non-empirical observations that posit some sort of conspiracy-laden hidden agenda in my post.&quot;

Damn, I guess I need to take back that thesaurus I bought you for Festivus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam Fogle,</p>
<p>&#8220;Bishop was on the Intelligence Committee for a few terms prior to the 109th, when he left to fill a vacancy on the Appropriations Committee.&#8221;</p>
<p>The operative word being WAS.</p>
<p>&#8220;Bishop has four years of seniority on Reyes and has logged more hours on intelligence than Reyes. So the two were basically given equal consideration in the decision.&#8221;</p>
<p>Logged more hours?  Hasn&#8217;t Reyes served longer on the Intelligence Committee than Bishop?</p>
<p>&#8220;It is not at all uncommon for leadership t0 chair an old member of the committee, especially, if like Bishop, they have a great deal of experience.&#8221;</p>
<p>Great deal more experience?  Bishop has only been a Congressman a years more than Reyes and Reyes has served longer on the Intelligence Committee than Bishop did.  Great deal more experience?</p>
<p>&#8220;This is also the last time I will comment on this because Mojo, for some reason, feels the need to insinuate petty grievances based on non-empirical observations that posit some sort of conspiracy-laden hidden agenda in my post.&#8221;</p>
<p>Damn, I guess I need to take back that thesaurus I bought you for Festivus.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2006/12/02/democrats-pass-on-bishop/comment-page-1/#comment-41445</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 20:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok...That&#039;s what I thought the situation might be.  I remember when Newt bit the dust as speaker there was talk of naming Bob Dole as his replacement.  The speaker&#039;s position does NOT have to be a member of Congress, just a person selected from those House members serving.  The Bishop idea was a good theory but wasn&#039;t gonna happen in reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok&#8230;That&#8217;s what I thought the situation might be.  I remember when Newt bit the dust as speaker there was talk of naming Bob Dole as his replacement.  The speaker&#8217;s position does NOT have to be a member of Congress, just a person selected from those House members serving.  The Bishop idea was a good theory but wasn&#8217;t gonna happen in reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Fogle</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2006/12/02/democrats-pass-on-bishop/comment-page-1/#comment-41444</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Fogle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 19:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bishop was on the Intelligence Committee for a few terms prior to the 109th, when he left to fill a vacancy on the Appropriations Committee.

Bishop has four years of seniority on Reyes and has logged more hours on intelligence than Reyes.  So the two were basically given equal consideration in the decision.

It is not at all uncommon for leadership t0 chair an old member of the committee, especially, if like Bishop, they have a great deal of experience.

This is also the last time I will comment on this because Mojo, for some reason, feels the need to insinuate petty grievances based on non-empirical observations that posit some sort of conspiracy-laden hidden agenda in my post.

In other words, Mojo&#039;s just looking for stuff that isn&#039;t there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bishop was on the Intelligence Committee for a few terms prior to the 109th, when he left to fill a vacancy on the Appropriations Committee.</p>
<p>Bishop has four years of seniority on Reyes and has logged more hours on intelligence than Reyes.  So the two were basically given equal consideration in the decision.</p>
<p>It is not at all uncommon for leadership t0 chair an old member of the committee, especially, if like Bishop, they have a great deal of experience.</p>
<p>This is also the last time I will comment on this because Mojo, for some reason, feels the need to insinuate petty grievances based on non-empirical observations that posit some sort of conspiracy-laden hidden agenda in my post.</p>
<p>In other words, Mojo&#8217;s just looking for stuff that isn&#8217;t there.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2006/12/02/democrats-pass-on-bishop/comment-page-1/#comment-41443</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 19:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a political problem for Pelosi.  When a member of the Congressional Black Caucus is passed over, then another has to be at least put out in the media and a pretext made.  It had the effect of forestalling the base reaction for a few days until the media can fuzz out the problem  by unobtrusively laying out a  review  of Hastings &quot;background&quot;.  Bishop was the placeholder goat in this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a political problem for Pelosi.  When a member of the Congressional Black Caucus is passed over, then another has to be at least put out in the media and a pretext made.  It had the effect of forestalling the base reaction for a few days until the media can fuzz out the problem  by unobtrusively laying out a  review  of Hastings &#8220;background&#8221;.  Bishop was the placeholder goat in this.</p>
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		<title>By: Mojo</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2006/12/02/democrats-pass-on-bishop/comment-page-1/#comment-41441</link>
		<dc:creator>Mojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 18:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, a voice of reason in a Fogleized world. 

Bishop was NOT on the intelligence committee, and Reyes was the next in rank behind Harman and Hastings.  You have to excuse Adam, he attempting to create a story and facts and common sense just get in the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, a voice of reason in a Fogleized world. </p>
<p>Bishop was NOT on the intelligence committee, and Reyes was the next in rank behind Harman and Hastings.  You have to excuse Adam, he attempting to create a story and facts and common sense just get in the way.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2006/12/02/democrats-pass-on-bishop/comment-page-1/#comment-41440</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 17:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone help me here.  Is Bishop actually currently ON the intelligence committee?  If he isn&#039;t then WHY would Pelosi even consider him?

I know the Speaker can choose any member to head any committee, but if they aren&#039;t actually a member of the committee in question, she probably won&#039;t tick off those now majority members who do swerve.  Petty politics prevents Harman&#039;s nomination and Hastings is a crook.  So, it would logically follow that another sitting Dem from the committee would get the nod.  Right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone help me here.  Is Bishop actually currently ON the intelligence committee?  If he isn&#8217;t then WHY would Pelosi even consider him?</p>
<p>I know the Speaker can choose any member to head any committee, but if they aren&#8217;t actually a member of the committee in question, she probably won&#8217;t tick off those now majority members who do swerve.  Petty politics prevents Harman&#8217;s nomination and Hastings is a crook.  So, it would logically follow that another sitting Dem from the committee would get the nod.  Right?</p>
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		<title>By: burnsbacker</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2006/12/02/democrats-pass-on-bishop/comment-page-1/#comment-41434</link>
		<dc:creator>burnsbacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 05:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so what insight do those poll numbers offer as to why sanford bishop was passed over?

also what is the methodology for this poll?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so what insight do those poll numbers offer as to why sanford bishop was passed over?</p>
<p>also what is the methodology for this poll?</p>
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		<title>By: liberty21</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2006/12/02/democrats-pass-on-bishop/comment-page-1/#comment-41432</link>
		<dc:creator>liberty21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 04:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The poll I conducted at D polls is now officially closed.  Here are the results of the PSC District 3 Runoff
Chuck Eaton (R) 73%
David Burgess (D) (I) 27%</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The poll I conducted at D polls is now officially closed.  Here are the results of the PSC District 3 Runoff<br />
Chuck Eaton (R) 73%<br />
David Burgess (D) (I) 27%</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Fogle</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2006/12/02/democrats-pass-on-bishop/comment-page-1/#comment-41431</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Fogle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 03:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mojo,

Why do you have to be such a &quot;hater?&quot;

I think you and Will Hinton need to get together and have a grandiose &quot;GET OVER YOURSELVES&quot; party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mojo,</p>
<p>Why do you have to be such a &#8220;hater?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you and Will Hinton need to get together and have a grandiose &#8220;GET OVER YOURSELVES&#8221; party.</p>
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		<title>By: Mojo</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2006/12/02/democrats-pass-on-bishop/comment-page-1/#comment-41430</link>
		<dc:creator>Mojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 03:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you really George Will, leaving out facts that conflict with your &quot;wonderful&quot; story?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you really George Will, leaving out facts that conflict with your &#8220;wonderful&#8221; story?</p>
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		<title>By: Mojo</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2006/12/02/democrats-pass-on-bishop/comment-page-1/#comment-41429</link>
		<dc:creator>Mojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 03:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She went down the line on the Committee and made the choice according to rank.  Harman was out for supporting Bush and the Iraq war.  Hastings was out for past ethical problems.  Reyes was the next in line and was chosen.  How did she &quot;pass&quot; on Bishop when he wasn&#039;t even on the Committee?  Was Bishop on Pelosi&#039;s short list, or was his chances pure rumour and speculation?  I think you answered that when you stated that he was &quot;rumored to be on the short list.&quot;  Was Bishop ever a viable option?  Most likely not.

I noticed that you conveinently left out the fact that Reyes was third in rank or that Bishop wasn&#039;t on the Committee or that there is no evidence that Pelosi was even considering him for the position.

You seem like the rest of the &quot;mainstream&quot; media, attempting to create controversy where none exists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She went down the line on the Committee and made the choice according to rank.  Harman was out for supporting Bush and the Iraq war.  Hastings was out for past ethical problems.  Reyes was the next in line and was chosen.  How did she &#8220;pass&#8221; on Bishop when he wasn&#8217;t even on the Committee?  Was Bishop on Pelosi&#8217;s short list, or was his chances pure rumour and speculation?  I think you answered that when you stated that he was &#8220;rumored to be on the short list.&#8221;  Was Bishop ever a viable option?  Most likely not.</p>
<p>I noticed that you conveinently left out the fact that Reyes was third in rank or that Bishop wasn&#8217;t on the Committee or that there is no evidence that Pelosi was even considering him for the position.</p>
<p>You seem like the rest of the &#8220;mainstream&#8221; media, attempting to create controversy where none exists.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Fogle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Fogle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 22:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pelosi had the option of choosing Bishop. Since committee rank was obviously thrown out the window in her decision, Bishop theoretically had as much of a shot as anyone.  Especially considering he used to be on the committee.

By going with Reyes, she thus chose to&quot;pass&quot; on the Bishop option.

Quit trying to pick a fight with everyone Mojo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pelosi had the option of choosing Bishop. Since committee rank was obviously thrown out the window in her decision, Bishop theoretically had as much of a shot as anyone.  Especially considering he used to be on the committee.</p>
<p>By going with Reyes, she thus chose to&#8221;pass&#8221; on the Bishop option.</p>
<p>Quit trying to pick a fight with everyone Mojo.</p>
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		<title>By: Mojo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 22:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This entire entry is misleading.  How did Pelosi pass on Bishop when Silvestre Reyes is the next in rank behind Harman and Hastings on the Intelligence Committee.  Hell, Bishop isn&#039;t even on the Intelligence Committee.  &quot;Passing&quot; on Bishop isn&#039;t a story b/c he was never passed on anything, the real story would have been if Pelosi had &quot;passed&quot; on Reyes to appoint Bishop to the position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This entire entry is misleading.  How did Pelosi pass on Bishop when Silvestre Reyes is the next in rank behind Harman and Hastings on the Intelligence Committee.  Hell, Bishop isn&#8217;t even on the Intelligence Committee.  &#8220;Passing&#8221; on Bishop isn&#8217;t a story b/c he was never passed on anything, the real story would have been if Pelosi had &#8220;passed&#8221; on Reyes to appoint Bishop to the position.</p>
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