GOP in serious trouble

Not directly related to Georgia, but this caught my eye.

House Republican candidates will suffer massive losses if House Speaker Dennis Hastert remains speaker until Election Day, according to internal polling data from a prominent GOP pollster, FOX News has learned.

“The data suggests Americans have bailed on the speaker,” a Republican source briefed on the polling data told FOX News. “And the difference could be between a 20-seat loss and 50-seat loss.”

As furious as I am with the Republicans, I’m still voting for Westmoreland, and he’ll be the only Republican that I vote for this year.

49 comments

  1. Bull Moose says:

    I tend to want an assurance that they will not vote for Hastert for Speaker, but that may be a knee jerk reaction, not sure…

  2. stephaniemills21 says:

    Calling for a fifty seat loss? Sounds like some GOP pollster trying to cover his ass and/or lowering expectations. While this story has legs, I do not think it will have that much of an impact.

  3. Mojo says:

    Hastert is still toast, whether in the next few days or after election day his days as Speaker are done.

  4. Big Mack says:

    Did any of you hear Newt tell it all on the democrat [edited] on Hannity last night? If you think that we need to cut a head off, don’t cut Hastert’s, cut Foley’s and I mean literally.

  5. Thig says:

    I can’t help but believe most races, even national offices, are decided at the local level. Is this incident with Foley going to change my mind about whether I vote for Marshall or Collins? I don’t think so. We tend to forget that all national offices, except the President, are really local races.

  6. Skeptical says:

    You are angry with the Republicans but will continue to vote for them just hoping that they will see the light of day and finally start acting like the party of values that they claim to be? What’s that definition of insanity again? Oh yeah, doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a different outcome each time.

    Barry Goldwater, Mr. Conservative himself, must be spinning in his grave. I’m glad he’s dead so he can’t see what’s become of his party and the movement he started.

  7. Jason Pye says:

    You are angry with the Republicans but will continue to vote for them…
    I am voting for Westmoreland for Congress, he is likely the only Republican I’ll vote for. I will be voting Libertarian or writing names in. I should’ve clarified that.

    I don’t consider Westmoreland to be part of the Washington establishment, as he is a fiscal hawk.

  8. Skeptical says:

    Thanks for the clarification. Perhaps he needs to hold a lunch and learn for his party to explain what it means to be a “fiscal hawk,” i.e. stop spending billions of dollars a week on that clusterfuck called Iraq.

  9. RandyMiller says:

    Thig has a very good point. Most races are overwhelmingly local issues. There are good and bad apples in all parties and most people know this. Foley has resigned, as well he should have, and facts are still being gathered. All of our republican representatives here in Georgia are good people, and we can be thankful for that.
    As well, our democrats representing us in the house are good people.
    I guess it’s good whoever broke this story at this time; and for whatever reason, did so at least a month out so we can get the facts and not heresey and speculation. But to condemn the whole party for the err of one or a few is tantamount to never flying again just because there was a plane crash!

  10. patriot says:

    Skeptical,

    Surely you have adequate intellect to be able to disagree and state a contrary opinion without being so distateful in your expression.

    “Profanity is the attempt of a weak mind to express itself forcefully…”

  11. Danny says:

    Personally, I’m tired of the GOP spending too. I’m really tired of a lot their crap but it’ll take too long to elaborate. I’ve always liked “Senor Mac” though, I just can’t explain why.

    That being said, I’m a believer in the Libertarian philosophy but having a hard time convincing myself to vote that way. In large part it’s due to the drug issue. The first thing I see on Cashin’s website today is “Hemp for Victory.” While it’s an issue of individual rights and privacy, it’s not being marketed as such. Hayes? Drugs make it onto his “Issues” section.

    Since I know some folks know the answer to this I’ll ask. Why don’t the Libertarians still fight for the cause of individual freedom but use something other than the drug issue as their platform in which to do so?

  12. Skeptical says:

    What you find “distasteful” everyone else on the planet sees as true. Is Ol’ Zig Zag the only one who gets to call ’em like he sees ’em?

    From wikipedia.com:
    clusterfuck
    A disastrous situation that results from the cumulative errors of several people or groups. In semi-polite company this is referred to as a Charlie Foxtrot (from the NATO phonetic alphabet) . Also used as slang to describe the “area effect” nature of artillery.

    I don’t think there is a more perfect definition for the situation in Iraq than that, but then again I’m actually familiar with military terms. Gotta support those troops or you’re Un-A-Murkin, don’tchaknow?

    And as far as people here thinking our Republican representatives are good people, both of your US Senators voted to get rid of habeas corpus. Good people don’t do that.

  13. RandyMiller says:

    Skeptical,

    Is that the habeas corpus re: the al-queda & taliban down at gitmo?? Why is it in our state only the Taylor supporters scream for the rights of America’s enemies?

    Re: the Un-A-Murkin remark, if you find supporting the troops something stupid and below your intellect, there’s always Cuba or Venezuela. Hey, there everyone’s on the same page…or else!

  14. RandyMiller says:

    Meanwhile over at Insider/Advantage

    Perdue Leads Taylor By 24 Points, Latest
    Survey Shows

    (10/6/06) A new InsiderAdvantage / Majority Opinion Research poll puts Republican Gov. Sonny Perdue at 54 percent and his Democratic challenger Mark Taylor at 30 percent, with 8 percent for Libertarian Garrett Michael Hayes and 8 percent undecided.

  15. SpaceyG says:

    I can’t stand it when Fox News tells us what we’re thinking. I could’ve sworn it was Rumsfeld we’d all bailed on. That would explain James Baker suddenly saturating ever media outlet known to man.

  16. Skeptical says:

    RandyMiller,

    It is the tinkering with the Constitution, period. And why it is in our state only the right-wingers, nutjobs, or whatever you want to call yourself scream when it’s pointed out that we’re moving dangerously closer to a totalitarian rule. Who determines what an “enemy combatant” is? I’m sure all of you probably think the ACLU should be on that list. But then who would defend Rush with his next drug charge? Americans don’t torture. Those that do don’t understand what it truly means to be an American.

    And I thank you for proving my point. If you don’t match lockstep with the Administration in regards to every little thing, you’re un-American. I doubt my godson, a Marine, and those he serves with would say I don’t support them. I’m constantly told by them how much they appreciate the care packages I send them every week. EVERY WEEK WITHOUT FAIL. To give them some sense of normalcy on their third tour (stop loss orders).

    By the way, I never said I was a Taylor supporter. I will hold my nose and vote for him, but that doesn’t mean I support him, his pathetically run campaign or his attempt to out-Republican Sonny on the issues.

  17. jsm says:

    Skeptical,

    I laughed when I read,”And I thank you for proving my point. If you don’t match lockstep with the Administration in regards to every little thing, you’re un-American.”

    That’s the whole difference between the GOP and the Democrats. A Democrat friend (former chair of a county party) recently told me how everyone in the party was given talking points that they MUST follow. He also told me how often he received DVD’s in 2004 about how to love John Kerry and how to talk him up. Republicans don’t do that. That’s why we have dissenting opinions among ourselves. We bring our views together to a forum of ideas and debate them. Apparently, we’re the only party to do so.

  18. Bill Simon says:

    Jason,

    You vote for a man who wants to waste our f***ing time and money in Congress by proposing a bill to require the Ten Commandments on every government building in America?

    THAT’S something so important to this country that Lynn should remain as your representative?

    Nevermind the fact that he doesn’t even KNOW what he’s proposing. Put that aside and look how he invests his time on OUR dime in Congress.

  19. Mojo says:

    I believe we should post the Ten Commandments everywhere, maybe then people like Westmoreland will be able to recite them.

  20. Skeptical says:

    jsm,

    “That’s why we have dissenting opinions among ourselves. We bring our views together to a forum of ideas and debate them. Apparently, we’re the only party to do so. ”

    That’s laughable in itself. Then why do y’all spend millions on think tanks? And why do all of the conservative talking heads parrot the same memes every day? No, there are no such things as Republican talking points. But don’t tell that to Grover Norquist.

    And speaking as a current county chair, who was also one during the 2004 election, I’m so miffed. I never got anything from the Kerry campaign telling me how to love him. I guess they love some Dems more than others. Do you actually ever pay attention to Democrats? Have you ever seen how we usually can’t seem to agree on anything? We live under a big tent.

    I’d be a little skeptical of your supposed “Dem” friend if I were you, unless of course your friend is Zell Miller. After all, he didn’t leave us, we left him…don’tchaknow!

  21. jsm says:

    I do pay attention to Dems. They NEVER disagree with one of their own publicly. Conservative talking heads have blasted Pres. Bush for his astronomical spending, his flawed policy on immigration, some of his judicial appointments, etc. Remember, conservative and Republican don’t necessarily mean the same thing.

  22. Skeptical says:

    Conservative talking heads have only recently begun to blast Bush about anything and that’s only because his poll numbers are doing the back stroke in the toilet.

    Re: Dems never disagreeing with one of their own in public. Half of the current Dems in Congress refuse to even accept that Dean is the Chair of the DNC and they’d rather die than agree with him on anything. There is a huge power struggle going on in the National Democratic Party right now and they bicker back and forth on a daily basis.

    And you are most certainly correct that conservative and Republican don’t necessarily mean the same thing. True conservatives should be furious at what the neo-cons have done to their party. True conservatives probably feel a bit left out now that the Religious Right (and those that call themselves religious but would probably shun Jesus himself today) have taken over.

    I’m glad we can all agree that someone must get control of the ridiculous spending/wasting of money that is going on in Washington today. I’m just afraid that with Republicans in control of the White House, Congress and the Court that it’s not going to happen any time soon. It hasn’t happened in the past 6 years so I have no reason to believe it will if the Republicans retake Congress this November. Anyone remember Congressional Oversight???

    I am having the best time on this site today. I appreciate y’all letting us bleeding hearts come on here and tell you just how wrong you are. 🙂

  23. Eddie T says:

    jsm,

    Really? You should get on board with the Republican talking points–Dems are do divided on Iraq, we can’t let them govern! They don’t know how to stay the course, remember?

    Some Dems call for immediate withdrawal…most are calling for phased redeployment…and our very own Marshall and Burns have opposed every type of timetable.

    So much for “NEVER,” huh JSM?

  24. jsm says:

    Skeptical,

    The “spending/wasting of money that is going on in Washington today” isn’t going to stop with Democrats in control either. It will only be spent with different priorities. Voters in both parties have got to be recruiting fiscal conservatives to run in the 2008 primaries. We’ve got to shake up the whole system.

    Maybe I don’t watch enough TV, but I don’t see any Dems in the media or at political events denouncing Dean. I only remember reports leaked from insiders about the disappointment. How did he get elected anyway?

    Eddie,

    I haven’t heard the first one of them come out and say, “Let’s stay the course and win this war.” So what if their desired turn-tail timetable is different? They all want to give up and come home. It’s all the same.

  25. Bull Moose says:

    Okay…

    It’s time to keep track… Who will support Hastert and who will not… Does anyone know?

  26. Jason Pye says:

    Bill,

    I’m voting for Lynn Westmoreland because of his votes on the Flake Amendments and because he has fought government spending during his stay in DC.

    I don’t agree with the Ten Commandments legislation, but that’s my opinion. I don’t give a damn if you like it or not.

  27. Jason Pye says:

    Why don’t the Libertarians still fight for the cause of individual freedom but use something other than the drug issue as their platform in which to do so?
    We do. We are trying to promote individual liberty through economics. I don’t know if you read my blog, but that’s something I’ve been doing.

  28. John Konop says:

    This was an interesting article by Dick Morris. Who BTW is an expert on sex scandels( Clinton and Dick).

    Foley scandal is the nail in the GOP coffin

    http://jewishworldreview.com/1006/morris100506.php3

    In a curious way, the former Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.) scandal will be to the Republican congressional leadership what the Monica Lewinsky imbroglio was to the Clinton presidency.

    After all the boring scandals — Whitewater, Hillary’s investments, Paula Jones, Travelgate, the FBI files, the Rose Law Firm’s billing records — the Lewinsky scandal seared into everyone’s consciousness. Those who failed to read the many volumes of Whitewater documents published by The Wall Street Journal or who despaired of following the paper trail that led to the Travel Office firings could easily grasp the simple facts of Clinton’s dalliance with Monica. Nothing complicated. Nothing subtle. Easy to understand. And so the Clintonian penchant for scandal became universally known and has been an enduring part of his legacy.

    Now, after the lobbyist travel scandal and the Abramoff favors for legislators and the growth of earmarking and the financial scandals that have faced Reps. Randy “Duke” Cunningham (R-Calif.), Alan Mollohan (D-W.Va.), Jerry Lewis (R-Calif.), Bob Ney (R-Ohio) and a host of others, there is finally a simple sex scandal for everyone to focus upon. Nothing complicated about this one either.

    It is not that the voters believe that all congressmen are child molesters, nor is it the details of what Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) knew, and when he knew it, that makes this scandal so important. Its centrality stems from the sheer arrogance and hypocrisy it demonstrates both on the part of Foley himself and his colleagues who hushed up the affair until it burst onto the public stage.

    One more pious member of the Moral Majority, one more legislator who makes a career out of fighting for “values” and crusading to protect children turns out to be a hypocrite and an abuser himself!

    One more congressman, a sponsor of legislation to help children, a member of the caucus on abused and exploited children, has abused and exploited them himself. The gap between what Foley professes and what Foley did is so huge that you can sink the entire Republican majority in both houses into the gap.

    And once again, the arrogant leaders of the Congress circled the wagons and looked the other way to avoid investigating or even recognizing the child abuser in their midst.

  29. defnotrep says:

    Yeah Jason the Republicans are really fiscal hawks. lmao.

    You know the only thing worse than a tax and spend democrat….a borrow and spend republican. ha ha

  30. defnotrep says:

    Patriot, It’s obvious Skeptical doesn’t have a weak mind. What would you call the situation in Iraq. I thought it was good description of the Iraq situation.

  31. Jason Pye says:

    Yeah Jason the Republicans are really fiscal hawks.
    I didn’t say that. Why don’t you go back and read it again because you obviously didn’t comprehend it.

    I was specifically talking about Westmoreland. Not the GOP. The GOP has a terrible fiscal record, which is why I left the party.

  32. defnotrep says:

    JSM, You are doing revisionist history. None of the republicans stood up to Bush for years. Not until recently when they realized the public was no longer buying stay the course. Geesh.

  33. defnotrep says:

    Ok Jason I stand corrected. 🙂 But I don’t think Westmoreland is much different. He panders to the religious right. As long as we elect people that do this, I think there can be no real progress for our country.

    Where does Westmoreland stand on the war??

  34. Jason Pye says:

    He panders to the religious right.
    I’m not going to argue that point, but most Republicans do.

    However, he also has a strong fiscal record. When he was in the General Assembly he co-sponsored legislation to relax ballot access for third parties.

    Westmoreland supports it, but so does Gatrett Hayes, a Libertarian, who is running for Governor.

  35. defnotrep says:

    Jason,

    Do you really want to vote someone that wants to stay a failed course in Iraq?

    Secondly, Iraq is costing a fortune so that’s not fiscally sound judgment.

    If the war truly made us safer, the price might be worth it both in lives and dollars. Even Bush’s on intelligence people now say that it doesn’t make us safer.

    I will say it is all such a mess. I’m not sure the best course, but I don’t think we can continue doing or supporting the same ways or people.

    By the way, I unfortunately voted for Bush. I thought he was a better choice than Kerry. Sadly, Cheney/Rove really ended up being President.

    I hope you will reconsider Westmoreland.

  36. Mad Dog says:

    defnotrep,

    You make some good points.

    It is time to stop voting for people who have no abilities or capability.

    To paraphrase the Goldwater presidential campaign of 1964.

    It’s not about party or platform. It’s about performance.

    (Now if I can figure out how to predict future performance …)

  37. Jason Pye says:

    defnotrep,

    Iraq is not an issue to me. We are there and there isn’t a whole lot that we can do about it. Leaving would create even more problems.

    I’m not voting for Westmoreland on Iraq, I’m voting for him for working to fight government waste.

  38. jsm says:

    def,

    No one stood up to Bush until the Medicare Prescription ripoff. I personally think he was doing a pretty good job until then.

    Republicans stand with Bush on Iraq because it’s the right thing to do, whether you think so or not. You apparently would rather have a fatter wallet now and your kids be terrorized and forced to be Muslim.

    Folks within the GOP stand on principle, which goes back to my original point in this thread.

  39. defnotrep says:

    jsm,

    I clearly stated I don’t know the best way to resolve Iraq…read above.

    I also clearly stated even Bush’s on Intelligence people say we are failing.

    Can’t you Republicans ever discuss an issue without attacking someone’s principles or values that happen to raise issues or disagree with you.

    I am sick and tired of you and your kind.

  40. millie says:

    I can’t get over the trashing of the Constitution in the tribunal bill. Doesn’t anyone see that the bill just is a CYA to prevent accountability for law-breaking on the part of the administration? Those of you who wrongly insinuate that standing up for the Constituion is pandering to Muslims and not defending our country bear a strange resemblance to those in Germany who passed the Enabling Act just after Hitler was raised to power. NEVER should the Executive Branch of government be given dictatorial power. This is pure fascism. I won’t be voting for any politician who embraced this.

  41. jsm-

    Listening to talk radio & now on this site it never ceases to amuse me what a bunch of cowardly wimps the republican sheeple are. Witness your comment:

    Republicans stand with Bush on Iraq because it’s the right thing to do, whether you think so or not. You apparently would rather have a fatter wallet now and your kids be terrorized and forced to be Muslim.

    You republicans will willfully give up your constitutional rights & all that this country stands for as long as GWB promised to protect you from those swarthy middle easterners.

    What a bunch of wimps & cowards republicans are- The “Muzz-Lims” that the fearmongers an talk radio always describe as wanting to force us all into a caliphate cannot & never will be able to do jack shit to the USA. They may WANT to dominate the world . . . . I want to fly around in the sky over Atlanta like superman- That doesnt mean that I can.

    Reality does not matter to these republican sheeple, though. They had better rescind habeas corpus as fast as they can- Sinbad the sailor is coming, and his curved sword is soooo scaaary.

  42. Mad Dog says:

    Jason Pye,

    I long ago suggested a plan to break up Iraq. It’s now being considered.

    Better to force the enemy into a fight to re-unite Iraq than let them fight to tear it apart.

    (The current plan being evaluated will make an Iraqi Federation with three ethic areas. I would have created a fourth zone as well. An international zone. But, thats because I love the movie, Casablanca.)

  43. jsm says:

    Wow. I must have struck a nerve. Principles are important to me.

    candler,
    You’ve been fooled. Who would have ever thought “Sinbad the sailor” could have toppled the WTC? You may be the target the next time you travel or ride MARTA.

  44. Demonbeck says:

    What is so funny about this issue is that Hastert was already going to step down from the Speakership due to term limits on the job – set in the Contract for America.

    (I know the term limits have since been removed, but word was that he was going to step down anyway.)

  45. Bill Simon says:

    If Hasterts gets any rounder, he can just turn on his side and roll down.

    People spend time yapping about Mark Taylor’s weight, they oughta turn their attention to big-ass Hastert. That’s no condition for a Speakerof the House of the greatest nation on Earth to look like.

  46. Mojo says:

    Demonbeck,

    It’s funny that all those Reps. and Senators that supported the Contract with America and its term limits have never actually stepped down after their appointed time arrived. Jack Kingston was a vocal supporter of term limits, yet he is still here when his time passed a few elections ago. Their defense is that it was never passed, but if they truly supported it then wouldn’t they have followed through? Anyway, I seriously doubt Hastert would have voluntarily stepped aside. The only thing people in power love more than that power, is more power.

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