Put ‘Em on a Fence in Plaid

Two of the seats that Democrats are fighting for their lives to hold are Georgia’s 8th Congressional District held by Jim Marshall and Georgia’s 12th Congressional District held by John Barrow.

Marshall is a true war hero from Vietnam. He went on to be a trial lawyer and mayor of Macon, GA. He’s also rather arrogant, but comes across as a down to earth conservative (he and his wife are both personally very liberal). Barrow is a poindexter type guy and a very liberal trial lawyer. Marshall more so than Barrow at least is an outdoors kind of guy. Heck, Marshall has been known to wander into a national parklands area in Macon, GA and take out fallen trees with his chain saw.

In 2005, the Georgia legislature redrew district lines making Marshall and Barrow’s districts very Republican. While Marshall has always been popular in his district, the district covers a lot of new territory. Barrow has never been as popular, and is widely considered one of the least effective members of congress. Both Marshall and Barrow are facing former Republican congressmen in their bids for re-election.

So, what do you do to make these men more acceptable?

Read on . . .

Below are screenshots of both men from recent commercials — I only became aware of Barrow’s because of a misplaced ad buy in the Macon market, which is nowhere near his district.

While the Marshall ad is not quite clear (Marshall’s campaign is not heavily invested in tech), you get the idea. Both men are in plaid button down shirts, jeans, and standing in fields by wooden fences. I know Marshall has been running these types of ads for years — since he ran against Saxby Chambliss in 2000. I don’t know about Barrow. But they sure don’t seem very original having now seen them back to back. You’d think, at a minimum, Democrats would coordinate a little better so they only have one guy in a state running the very same style of ad.

Barrow first, then Marshall:

Cross posted to RedState

23 comments

  1. Mojo says:

    Erick,

    Why so hard on Barrow? He is the newest member of the Georgia delegation and a member of the minority party. Did you really think he would get choice committee assignments? You repeat this charge ad nauseum…I wonder why.

    Also, Jim Marshall is Roman Catholic which, most likely, defines his social conservatism and is not a facade as you imply.

  2. Mike Hauncho says:

    I went door-to-door for Mac Collins in Covington this past Saturday and support for him was overwhelming. There were however a lot of people who had heard of neither candidate.

  3. atlantaman says:

    “Also, Jim Marshall is Roman Catholic which, most likely, defines his social conservatism and is not a facade as you imply.”

    Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry and Ted Kennedy consider themselves Roman Catholics as well.

  4. mercergirl says:

    I helped host an event for Mac Collins in what is heavy Marshall territory: Downtown Macon. There are SO many people who say “I’m voting Republican- except for Jim Marshall.” That’s a lot to overcome, I hate to say.

  5. Mojo says:

    atlantaman,

    Well, like my parish priest once told me, there are good Catholics and there are bad Catholics. I like how you said “consider.”

  6. atlantaman says:

    Well it’s obviously difficult to measure another’s dedication to their faith, although in the case of the politicians I mentioned before it’s clear they don’t follow all of the conservative edicts from Rome – such as Abortion, Birth Control and Divorce.

    I don’t know whether Marshall is a good Catholic or a bad Catholic. The previous point I was making was that simply by stating you are a Catholic does not mean you are a Conservative.

  7. It’s funny. You can take a personal position on abortion that ultimately affects no one and be considered a “bad Catholic.” However, you can cheat on your wife, be a pedophile, steal money or numerous other things and be a “good religious man” once you get out of jail.

    I dunno, I think maybe our priorities here are a little misplaced.

  8. Fogle says:

    “In 2005, the Georgia legislature redrew district lines making Marshall and Barrow’s districts very Republican. ”

    I wouldn’t say THAT. The 12th is now more equally proportionate, but certainly not “very Republican.” From most measures, it’s a toss-up district which may actually lean a little left.

    “Barrow has never been as popular, and is widely considered one of the least effective members of congress.”

    See this or here.

    “I only became aware of Barrow’s because of a misplaced ad buy in the Macon market, which is nowhere near his district.”

    That’s because Barrow can’t find the 12th on a map.

    “Barrow is a poindexter type guy and a very liberal trial lawyer.”

    Now on this I can fully agree.

    As for the commercials… this is typical Barrow. On the site we have shown time and time again that Barrow is out-of-touch with the district and working vigorously to hide it from voters. That fence ad is a complete hack of GOP commercials from the last cycle. Barrow is not only ineffective, but he’s unoriginal.

  9. Demonbeck says:

    Chris,

    Contrary to what you may believe, most of us Republicans lump philanderers, pedophiles, thieves and baby killers into one group.

    You may call them “bad Catholics,” but we call them Democrats. (j/k)

    Seriously, though, Foley is going to get off on a technicality somewhere and the electorate is going to be outraged. Yet another example of our wonderful judicial system not working like it is supposed to.

  10. Mojo says:

    atlantaman,

    “I don’t know whether Marshall is a good Catholic or a bad Catholic. The previous point I was making was that simply by stating you are a Catholic does not mean you are a Conservative.”

    I didn’t say that, what I said was that his Catholic faith, most likely, influences his social conservative positions. When I say social conservative it mostly reflects his positions on gay issues and abortion.

    Fogle,

    “That’s because Barrow can’t find the 12th on a map.”

    And your point is? He waited until the next campaign season to change his campaign headquarters. What is so surprising about that? But, then again, Max Burns wouldn’t have a stake in this with his snarky comment, would he?

  11. Fogle says:

    Majo,

    We once again affirm, as we do countless times on Blogging for Max that we are entirely independent of the campaign. We are a couple guys working independently out of our own pocket to support Max.

    As such, one of the issues that we are trying convey to voters of the 12th is that Barrow is from Athens and he proudly boasted that time and time again in 2004.

    Now that Athens is rightly removed from the 12th, he’s trying to cover that up. The voters of the 12th deserve to know that this man has little concern for areas other than Athens and should be running in that district, not ours.

  12. Mojo says:

    Fogle,

    Yeah, it’s Barrow’s fault that the 12th was redrawn. If he was honest he never would have allowed himself to be from Athens. I mean, Bush only cares about Texas, right? Reagan about California, right? It was wrong of Barrow to say he was from Athens in ’04 when that city was a part of the 12th, he should have seen the redrawn district coming. Shame on him.

  13. Regarding the Macon Ad Buys, I hardly think an ad buy in Macon is misplaced for a hard fought Congressional district.

    By looking at a map, Hancock, Baldwin, Washington, Johnson and Treutlen counties are all in the Macon media market and are all new to the 12th district — neither Burns nor Barrow have competed in elections here before.

    Additionally, on the borders of media markets there is usually some bleed from one to the other. So I would guess some people in places like Emanuel and Montgomery counties may watch WMAZ for their nightly news.

    So that’s just how it goes. I think Sonny Perdue has bought advertisements on Chattanooga tv stations, would you also argue that he doesn’t know where Georgia’s border begins and ends?

  14. Fogle says:

    “If he was honest he never would have allowed himself to be from Athens… It was wrong of Barrow to say he was from Athens in ‘04 when that city was a part of the 12th, he should have seen the redrawn district coming.”

    No. Believe it or not, Athens also has Congressional representation.

    He’s more than welcome to be proud of where he is from… but he should run in the 10th District where his lifelong home is rightfully placed.

  15. Oh Fogle. If the Republicans were so concerned about Barrow staying in Athens maybe they shouldn’t have redrawn the map. Or maybe they should have called the Athens district “12”. I guess pleasing a senile old man and giving him his old district number back was more important. Whoops.

    The truth of the matter is that many Georgians, on both sides of the aisle, have represented districts they haven’t always lived in.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I seem to recall that John Linder didn’t live in the 7th/11th/4th district back in the ’90’s. Phil Gingrey won a district he didn’t live in (although he does now after the redistricting). If it was ok for Phil Gingrey to run for a district he didn’t live in, what’s the problem with Barrow living in the district he’s running for now?

    The great majority of voters in the old 12th are in the new 12th. Congressional elections work best when they are in part referendums on the incumbents in power. It sounds like your real beef is with the US Constitution.

  16. Fogle says:

    Chris,

    First of all… the district was re-drawn to correct the gerrymandering done by Democrats. Athens had NO BUSINESS being in the 12th and anyone who can read a map knows that.

    Now, the reason that Barrow’s Athens exodus is such a big deal is that he so heavily flaunted his Clarke County home in 2004. With Athens rightly removed, he chose to abandon the area to pursue selfish political aspirations.

    The people of the 12th deserve a man with integrity… not someone who would forsake their home for personal gains.

  17. Fogle says:

    Honestly, compare the old 12th with the new 12th.

    If Barrow has a beef, it is with his own party. Democrats created the old districts and gerrymandered the 12th to sneak in as many liberal bases as possible.

  18. Mojo says:

    Shame on Barrow for being from Athens. Shame.

    Beyond that, why would he not flaunt that Athens is his home, in ’04 that was just good politics. He had, as far as I know, two key cities in his district, Athens and Augusta. Fogle just doesn’t like Barrow, so any evidence of other congressional candidates running in districts that they do not live in, especially Republicans, is not going to sway him.

  19. Honestly, Georgia is hardly alone in egregious congressional districts:

    http://www.nationalatlas.gov/printable/images/preview/congdist/FL03_109.gif

    Perhaps you can tell me how Jacksonville, Gainesville and the Orlando suburbs being in the same district is any worse than Athens, Savannah and Augusta.

    In all honesty, the old 12th isn’t a very outrageous (visually) district compared to some of the others you can choose from in Georgia and the country.

  20. Demonbeck says:

    chrisishardcore,

    Funny that you would defend gerrymandering, seeing as how the district (Florida 3rd), is only there for one reason. The South wouldn’t have to worry about these screwed up districts if the Voter’s Rights Act wasn’t so discriminatory. Praytell, who benefits from gerrymandered districts that rarely make sense?

    Look at all of the districts west of the Missippi – notice how they all start looking uniformed and equal as you move West?

  21. RuralDem says:

    “You’d think, at a minimum, Democrats would coordinate a little better so they only have one guy in a state running the very same style of ad.”

    If the ads are paid by Marshall and Barrows campaigns then I don’t see your point. There’s nothing wrong with running on what you believe in and what you represent. However, if the ads are paid for by the DCCC then I’d have to agree.

    “There are SO many people who say “I’m voting Republican- except for Jim Marshall.

  22. IndyInjun says:

    All Barrow has to do is to point out that Max Burns is an imposter as a conservative.

    Burns voted for that awful $8 Trillion Unfunded Liability (see Financial Report of the USA) called the Medicare Prescription Drug bill, something that LBJ or FDR would have been proud of, but a TOTAL BETRAYAL of GOP principles.

    Trusting Burns is like appointing a pyromaniac as fir chief. He will sure be busy all the time, but will it be in the public interest.

    Burns represents what we should be focusing on RUNNING OUT of Washington, DC, not someone who will represent the people.

    Burns is a liar and a charlatan.

  23. IndyInjun says:

    All Barrow has to do is to point out that Max Burns is an imposter as a conservative.

    Burns voted for that awful $8 Trillion Unfunded Liability (see Financial Report of the USA) called the Medicare Prescription Drug bill, something that LBJ or FDR would have been proud of, but a TOTAL BETRAYAL of GOP principles.

    Trusting Burns is like appointing a pyromaniac as fir chief. He will sure be busy all the time, but will it be in the public interest?

    Burns represents what we should be focusing on RUNNING OUT of Washington, DC, not someone who will represent the people.

    Burns is a liar and a charlatan.

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