Jesus Christ!

I can say his name and so can the Cobb Commission

A federal judge ruled Friday that Cobb County commissioners can continue to begin public meetings with prayers that invoke the name of Jesus Christ.

The American Civil Liberties Union had filed a lawsuit on behalf of seven people, arguing that references to Jesus amounted to an unconstitutional government endorsement of Christianity.

A judge rejected that argument.

Sam Olens, chairman of the Cobb County Board of Commissioners, received word of the decision while traveling in China.

“We are thrilled,

114 comments

  1. midgajim says:

    Interesting, and an issue ripe for the USSC as there are conflicting decisions on this issue among the circuits. Wonder if it gets that far?

  2. Bill Simon says:

    Erick,

    I’m pretty sure your utterance of your god’s name like this as the title of a blog thread WOULD fit the definition of uttering a name in vain…and therefore, YOU have just violated one of your god’s commandments. Way to go.

  3. LINDA says:

    Jesus Christ! Jesus Christ! Jesus Christ!

    The one and only God, and the good news gospel has been preached from sea to shining sea! The founding fathers were only worried about separation of church and state, as between Catholics, Methodists, Lutherans and Baptists, etc…because that were the people that made up our early foundation. They are rolling over in their graves because their words are being twisted about. If you want to come to the United States to live, then you need to accept that you are walking into a Christian home. I am not going to apologize because Christianity is the majority, and I feel that those that don’t like it should move somewhere else. But again that is my opinion! We should have never allowed anyone but Christians to move into the United States, and then we would not be fighting the ANTI CHRISTIAN LIBERTY UNION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  4. LINDA says:

    And, have you ever gave an ounce of thought of the fact that whites came to America as slaves, and worked as indentured servants and sharecroppers? There were many, many white slaves and they were God fearing Christians!

  5. Bill Simon says:

    Oh, let me guess, Linda: You and your fellow David Duke followers probably believe it was the J-E-W-S who brought the slave trade to America, is that right?

    Linda, I know you’re not Dem or Repub…you’re a little neo-Nazi marooned in Macon. Do the world a favor and stay there.

    People like you are the reasons why I go to gun shows whenever I can and buy whatever guns I can afford at the time. ‘Cause you’re a flaming kook and who knows when kooks like you might learn how to drive further than 25 miles?

  6. Mad Dog says:

    Bill,

    Please don’t pick on Linda’s reputation.

    She can do more to destroy her reputation that you ever can.

  7. LINDA says:

    Dear Bill and Maddog,

    Neither of you need to worry about my reputation, as that is between me and my Lord. We are taking care of my reputation just fine. And, Bill, you tell me who owned the majority of the slave ships and tell me who profited off of their sale. A good place to do some research is on Louis Farrakhan’s website called the Final Call. I thought you were David Duke’s cousin. LOL. Calling people NAZIs and Fascists are the last resort for people when they have no debate against someone armed with the truth.

    Are you threatening me with one of your guns, Bill? I do not need to rely on guns to threaten people with because a person armed with the truth enjoys the freedom of using words that are always mighter than the sword. My words are not popular, only because I am conversing with people that are either too lazy to search for the truth or either know the truth and want it to stay hidden. Good day, Bill, get a grip, take a valium and don’t worry about me because I would never harm a hair on your head. Now, if you come after me trying to do harm, then I suggest that you give it thoughtful care.

  8. dingleberry says:

    Linda,

    Half of our founding fathers were slave owners. So, obviously they had no problem allowing non-Christians to come here. By the way, most Africans during this period were Anamists.

    I suggest you retake high school history.

  9. Bill Simon says:

    Linda/

    Most of the slave traders were actually either Angl-Saxon OR blacjk, believe it or not.

    The fact that you put your “faith” in the truth about anything in history on what Louis Farrakhan’s website says does prove exactly what Mad Dog said: Everything you say tells us exactly who and what you are.

  10. LINDA says:

    Oh, I read and listento Louis Farrakhan. He scares me with his plan for America. That is what is wrong with people like Dingbat and Bill Simon is that there is only one side to a coin in their mode of thinking. Only their opinion matters. I truly believe that many people were wrong in their slave mentality in the past. My ancestors were too poor to own slaves. When my maternal grandfather passed away in 1981, he and my grandmother still only had an outhouse in the old farm house that my great grandparents lived in.

    Bill hates everyone that does not walk in lock step with his way of thinking, and I challenge the status quo. Someone has got to rock the boat to keep the First Amendment alive in this Country. And Mr. Ding, why don’t you check out the publishers of your history books from high school. You see, history is written from one view point, and my coins have two sides and history has many sides. Even today, Hurriane Katrina is a prime example of revisionist history.

    “Stand Up Stand Up For Jesus” and “Onward Christian Soldiers” are two important hymns for those that want to make sure our Country remains a Christian nation.

  11. dingleberry says:

    Linda,

    Find me a credible history text that says our founding fathers did not own slaves or allow the slave trade in America.

    I rest my case.

  12. LINDA says:

    http://www.blacksandjews.com/books.html

    I have not bought any of these books, and my only reason for showing people this is that it is time that slavery became something that ALL SHARE EQUALLY in the blame, but none of us should have to pay reparations for something that those greed misters of yesterday participated in. For everyone of us that buys goods made in China or has a roofing company put a roof on for us using immigrant labor, we are playing a part of slave labor today. We are all sinners in the eyses of the Lord. I do not know what part of my writing that Bill or dingberry miss because I never blame one group of people for anything. I just do not allow anyone to escape blame!

  13. dingleberry says:

    Linda,

    I’m not arguing that. I never said they introduced slavery into the United States. Nor did I say that all of our founding fathers were slave owners. However, the fact remains that they did allow the slave trade to continue, many of them were slave owners who personally benefited from the trade.

    But NONE of this has to do with the original point.

    Your point was that the founding fathers wouldn’t have wanted ANY non-Christians in America. As the VAST majority of African Slaves were Anamists, your point is entirely wrong. Sorry.

    Besides, Linda, I said a CREDIBLE historical text. Not some random website you found. Hell, you can “prove” anything on the internet. I could probably find a sight to back up any random assertion I wanted. The key word was “credible”, something you are obviously not familiar with.

  14. dingleberry says:

    For instance. I don’t think Belgium really exists. I think the country of Belgium is just a lie propagated by the New World Order. I can prove it:

    http://zapatopi.net/belgium/

    And, I don’t think the nation of “England” ever existed. It was was invented in 1951. In fact, I think it was Walt Disney who invented “England” along with the English Language. I can prove it:

    http://www.poormojo.org/cgi-bin/gennie.pl?Rant+5

    In fact, the whole theory about the “Sky” actually existing is pretty flimsy. All evidence points toward the Sky not existing at all. Here’s proof:

    http://www.adequacy.org/public/stories/2001.11.25.101153.25.html

    I hope I made my point.

  15. LINDA says:

    Well, do you really believe that a history book is the gospel? The only book that I lay my belief and faith in is the King James Version of the Holy Bible. History is propaganda; history is one or more writer’s agenda; history is in the eye of the beholder. And, if you are not an eye witness to an historical event, then all of it must be read with skepticism. Prove the writings on the links that I provided you wrong about our founding fathers. I do not have a library of history books before me. I took history in grade school, high school and some in college. But, none of the history books tell the whole truth. If you think they do, then you are like what PT Barnum says about suckers, “there is a sucker born every minute.”

    The written words that I hold true to my heart and souls are the words written in red in the New Testament because Jesus said “I am I am,” and he has never let me down yet.

  16. dingleberry says:

    Linda,

    The fact that a ban on slavery couldn’t recieve a simple majority during the constitutional conventions is proof that at least half were against the outlawing of slavery. The issue was brought up in the convention.

    Well, do you really believe that a history book is the gospel?

    HaHa. No. History is rewritten and revised as new evidence surfaces all of the time.

    The only book that I lay my belief and faith in is the King James Version of the Holy Bible.

    This is true. Unfortunately, the Bible does not document the consitutional conventions of the United States in the late 18th Century.

    BUT I SAY AGAIN

    None of this has to do with the original point: If the founding fathers did not want non-Christians in America, then why did they NOT outlaw the practice of bringing mostly anamist slaves to America? Answer the question.

  17. Bill Simon says:

    Linda Sez: “The only book that I lay my belief and faith in is the King James Version of the Holy Bible. History is propaganda; history is one or more writer’s agenda; history is in the eye of the beholder.”

    Linda, are you aware that King James RE-WROTE a significant part of the Old Testament to make it more to HIS liking?

  18. LINDA says:

    Lobbyist my dear! Lobbyist! Do you not think that money bought power in the early founding of our Country? I already talked about those that gave their all to even sign our Declaration of Independence, which was their wealth and in many cases their lives. Do you realize that our war for our freedom was financed, as are all wars? Do you actually believe that after the American Revolution that our founders had complete freedom?

    He who pays the bills, calls the shots! You see the strange thing about history is that it does repeat itself. Can’t you see the history today as it relates to 2006 years ago when Jesus gave his life for our sins? The battle does not end, and the fight for wealth does not end. There is always someone out there cheating another out of a dollar. As it was in our early days, those that made a profit from slavery called the shots not our bankrupt founders! You need to read some facts as listed on the House of Morven website, that is based in New Jersye. You my dear are lacking in historical knowledge.

  19. LINDA says:

    Oh Bill, get a grip will you? How about reading Acts in the New Testament and read how Peter went into the homes of the Gentiles to spread the gospel and good news for the Chrisitan faith. I really think that you hate all Christians or so it seems. I suppose the only good Christian to you is a dead Christian like the 100 million that were starved in Russia and the Ukraine in the Bolshevik Revolution. (sp?) or a Christian that turns the other cheek and never allows Christ to give them a rebuttal. I will fight for Jesus for all my days. Who are you fighting for Bill, yourself?

  20. LINDA says:

    Now, Bill please tell me where I said that the Jews financed the American Revolution! You really do read things between the lines that just are not there at all.

  21. Bill Simon says:

    Linda,

    No, I just hate moronic people like you who claim they are Christians, but do not have enough sense to really know what that means.

    And, by the way, there WERE some Jewish folks who did, indeed, help finance the Revolutionary War. So, you and your fellow Dukites/Farrakhanians should either shut up with all of the innunedo about the Jewish people or move the f*** out of this country. You folks should go to Iran; you’ll fit right in.

  22. LINDA says:

    The difference between me and you, Bill, is that I do not claim to be perfect and there is not a Christian that should claim to be without sin. I think you are the hate monger, afterall you just said you hate me because I am a moron. I suggest that you take a good look in the mirror, and reread what I have written. There is no where that I attack you as a person, attack your intelligence or offend you. You see, I open people’s eyes or attempt to open eyes to the fact that many Jewish people are way too quick to jumb in Christian’s sh** sideways about the fact that a Christian does something wrong, but I never hear one of them criticize one of their own. You can’t stand the fact that you cannot win a debate with me other than calling me stupid, a moron, threatening me with your guns and telling me to move. Blah blah blah.

    My family was here before the signing of the Declaration of Independence, and fought in the Revolutionary War. They earned my freedom to be here, and to stand up for freedom and for the worship of Jesus Christ that they died defending. Comprendo?

  23. Bill Simon says:

    I only criticize Christian people like YOU, Linda, because YOU pound it into everyone’s head that you’re supposed to be some godly Christian, and then you go off on blithering tangents about how the Fed is controlled by a secret pact of Jewish businessmen and how they control the whole world.

    You are a nut…a kook…I can only debate people that have a base minimum of commonsense and rationality about them. You’re not rational at all….in ANY of your writings.

    Go back to reading your hero’s writings…what’s his name again? Oh, yeah, Louis Farrakhan.

  24. LINDA says:

    Oh Bill, I will be the first to let you know when I get a phone call or email from Lynn Westmoreland telling me to quit picking on his poor wittle fwiend!

  25. LINDA says:

    Now children, you can go back to playing in your sandbox! But please Mad Dog don’t throw sand in Bill’s eyes because he has a hard time reading as it is. Toodalu!

  26. thank_god_Im_ATHEIST says:

    OK,OK,OK I usually don’t blog and hell I can’t spell sometimes, I’m more mathematical. I will have to admit I had to get on Linda’s back. I didn’t even read all the way down, I am lazy. Somewhere up there she made the comment about not being in the country if I don’t believe in GOD. Well Linda, I fought as a United States Marine in Dessert Storm and I certainly will not leave this country because I don’t believe in your god!!!!! Hell the 9/11 terrorist flew planes into the towers for GOD. Suicide bombers blow themselves up for GOD!!!! Little girls in Turkey are MURDERED by their families because they have brought shame on them FOR LOOKING AT A BOY…… NOT TO OFFEND GOD and their religion!!!!! It is the biggest LIE ever told. It is the year 2006. Face at the facts. The Smithsonian Institute in Washington DC. says we evolved into what we are today through studies of fossil remains. That does not mesh with your beliefs. Are you smarter than those guys at the Smithsonian???? I don’t think so. Maybe a little more gullible as to believe any preacher who throws it out there ” you gotta have faith. you gotta have faith!!,” then dangles the HEAVEN CARROT. With not one once of proof!!!!! I was Christian for 27 years and I was young when I caught a disease that there is no cure. I had been to church and heard the healin’ preachin’ prayin’ all the time. Then when I needed to be healed… I prayed for five years and went to church…. Only to realize that there was no such thing. Only a preacher asking for money and maybe even wanting to believe so deeply himself there was a heaven. BUT!!!!! Look at the bright side Linda……. You believe in the trinity of the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost as the one God. Not Allah, Buddha, Zues or any of the other 2000 GODS worshipped on the planet today. So you believe in 1 god. not the other 1999. I don’t believe in any of them.

    SO WE ARE ONLY ONE GOD SHORT OF AGREEMENT.

    do you believe terrorist should kill themsleves for god?
    do you believe Palestinians should blow themselves up for god?
    and you know the last QUESTION!!!! do you think families in Turkey should kill their daughters over GOD???

    BAD BLOOD, BAD BELIEFS.

    and don’t tell me I should leave the country if I don’t believe in your god. Go fight a war or you leave!!!!!!!!!!

  27. Hoosier Daddy says:

    Bill,

    Is a toot a lu a bad thing?

    She didn’t really say FIAT MONEY, did she?

    OH MY GOD!

    All ‘money’ recognized by a government or issued by a government is FIAT MONEY!

    Flappin’ idiots! Worse than being religious.

  28. LINDA says:

    Well atheist, I am sorry that you have not accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior. My Marine son has been a born again Christian, since he was around ten or eleven. Did you have trouble with Semper Fi? If you look for the Lord, he will be there waiting for you. God bless you! And thank you for fighting as a Marine. I suppose that one can get easily confused when mixing up terrorist religions with the real thing. There is no comparison whatsoever.

    And Hoosierdaddy, are you from Indiana or just borrowing a saying using the name of the Hoosier State?

  29. duluthmom says:

    Linda:
    I must disagree with your earlier assertion about the Founding Fathers.

    Three imminent scholars recently published books on the true views of the Founding Fathers. All were in agreement that the FF, were Deists rather than Christians.

    Quote:
    None of the first five presidents were conventional Christians. All were influenced to one degree or another by Deism, the once-popular view that God set the world in motion and then abstained from human affairs. John Adams, a Unitarian, did not accept such Christian basics as “the Trinity, the divinity of Christ, total depravity and predestination.” Thomas Jefferson cut and pasted his own Bible. Before he became president, James Madison wrote the “Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments,” a classic text in the history of religious liberty. Our fifth president, James Monroe, gave his name to a doctrine, but it had nothing to do with faith; in fact, Monroe may have been the least religious of all our early presidents.

    I think I’ve posted this before but it bears posting again:

    Quote: But it does the historical record no service to see [the Founding Fathers] as compromising on the conflict between reason and revelation the same way they compromised on the power of big states and small ones. Men of the Enlightenment, they feared what Washington called “the horrors of spiritual tyranny.” Their conception of religious liberty made room for non-Christians and even nonbelievers, and their language deliberately avoided sectarian terminology. They were intellectual radicals, willing to push the idea of religious tolerance further than it had ever been pushed before.

  30. LINDA says:

    Well Duluthmom,

    I do not believe that the source you are quoting has the fact straight. I know where my faith is and that is what gives me the strength to raise my children. My sons Mark and Matthew are both strong Christians, as is my step-son John. I pray that you search for accurate accounts of our history of the United States, but most importantly that you find the love for Christ in your heart to not do battle with his word.

  31. LINDA says:

    You will never convince a devout born again Christian that our United States was not founded on Christianity, especially one that has ancestors here since the early 1700s. My relatives migrated from the Pennsylvania Dutch to Canaan, Indiana and helped to found Canaan which is the new promised land. If you check out the names of towns in many states, such as PA, you will find that many of them are named after towns in the Bible. As a matter of fact, Canaan is not far from Bethehem, Indiana. The founders of these towns were no different from the founding fathers because they were the same peoples. Again, read some old historical wills and you will find the answers. Do not rely on those that want to belittle and weaken Christianity. It will never happen though, as hard as the seculars and atheists try because Jesus has already won the battle, and it is up to the blind and the deaf of the word to seek the truth and to heed the truth.

  32. Bill Simon says:

    DuluthMom,

    You cannot convince someone like Linda who is too stupid to understand that a website called “JewWatch.com” or a website by Louis Farrakhan are nothing but hate websites filled with false information that SHE uses to research her facts on.

  33. thank_god_Im_ATHEIST says:

    Bill, Duluth, and Hoosier…

    That is the kind of religious beliefs we are fighting this war over. Fanatics. Those people are right and we can’t convince them otherwise. They don’t want to look at the facts. I don’t mind someone who has a faith but doesn’t try and force it upon you…. I’d say Linda has been knocking down doors here and there handing out Biblles and asking for donations. She could even be like my brother-in-law who is so Christian that when we go to dinner, nobody can drink a glass of wine because it is a sin…. he flips out. Yet he cheats on his wife by some fluke in the word I guess. Linda you said I needed Jesus. I guess you didn’t read what I wrote, I was born-again for years until I started facing the facts instread of letting some preacher blow smoke up my a$$. The story of Jesus is just that. Then you have the story of Muhammed who rode a winged horse into the seven layers of heaven. Not to mention the Buddhist story of Siddhartha Gautauma. Then there is the story of John Smith in the early 1800’s who went to New York and God brought him golden tablets that held the book of Mormon. Where are the golden tablets? God took them back to heaven after John had transcribed them………
    ALL GRANDIOS STORIES!!!!!! And Linda I don’t mind that you are Christian just that you think I should leave the country because I won’t bow to your god. Be a Christian and spread the word. Go over to the middle east and preach the gospel. God will protect you. Like Daniel in the lions den.

  34. kspencer says:

    Linda,

    Based upon your witness, I am going to guess that you are of a denomination that believes the Bible to be literally true. I cannot believe such having studied it for many years, but know I could be misinterpreting. Therefore, knowing you are a CPA and thus well acquainted with small and subtle detail that clarifies, I’m going to raise the conflict that I found irresolvable – that led me to what I feel is a deeper understanding, though getting there took me through tortuous realms along the way.

    I speak of the death of Judas. In Matthew 27, Judas returned the money to the priests and hanged himself. The priests took the money and bought a field to be a burial place for strangers, and so it came to be called the field of blood [Akeldama]. But. In the first book of Acts, Judas purchased a field with the money he received, and while in it fell headlong and burst open, and so the field became known as the field of blood [Akeldama]. You see, of course, the conflict. Judas returned the money/kept the money. The priests/Judas bought the field. Judas hung himself/fell headlong and burst open. The field was called the field of blood because it was a potter’s field/it was where Judas died so bloodily.

    It is noticing this passage that forced me to pay attention while rereading the Bible. It is this that led me to reading history both of and surrounding the Bible, and discovery of some of the books and passages that have been excised from and edited within the Bible over the centuries. It is this which has led me both forward and back to scholars and people of faith who have also trod this path.

    Among these scholars have been Jefferson and Madison and Franklin. The wealth of their writings makes it plain that they were not what we today would call Christians. Indeed, Franklin wrote more than once that he considered Christianity interesting but flawed and declared himself a deist. It is Madison who wrote frequently that the government should be separate from religion, neither controlling nor being controlled by it. Jefferson is the man who created a version of the New Testament with all miracles excised, claiming that it removed much of the superstition and gave instead a volume more supportive of Reason and Morality.

    These are the things I have learned from reading original sources over many years of study. But I am still aware that I do not KNOW, I only surmise. And so I offer you the opportunity to change my mind again by showing the apparent conflict in the Bible is not truly there, and that it’s merely the same poor interpretation that causes people to see two stories of Creation, or failing to see the context that makes “those who are not with me are against me” and “those who are not against me are with me” cease being contradictory statements. And no, I am not being sarcastic with those two examples – they are not examples of contradiction and conflict given sufficient reading and study. But the story of the end of Judas is such, the simplest to see of the few that do exist. And so I offer you the chance to teach.

    But even if you show the Bible not to contain this conflict – that there is a clarification that resolves it – it shall not make the writings of Franklin and Madison and Jefferson (among others) change. No, not all the founding fathers were Christian. Many and quite possibly most were, but not all. When given the opportunity to declare the nation a Christian one within the Constitution, they declined (after debate and discussion). There were Christians who participated, and men and women of deep faith who created and spread across the nation. But they were not the entirety of that foundation, and to ignore and deny the existance and contributions of those who were not Christians is a sad and peculiar blindness.

    “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

    Kirk

  35. Bill Simon says:

    Kirk,

    Allow me to inform you as to which version of the Bible Linda holds so dear: The King James Version…which, if one would like an example of a version that has been excised and re-written with chapters and verses that never existed in any previous versions of the Bible, THAT is the best/worst example of that ever.

    Her only sources for info in this world are Jewish hate websites and the KJV Bible.

  36. LINDA says:

    Dear Bill,

    Why don’t you drop the bs? i have a MBA, as well as a CPA certificate and I am much more learned than you can possibly relate to. I have studied many sources of documents, and I am frankly tired of your slurs toward me. But, actually I am not surprised because we are not of the same cloth. I do not care to walk in your shoes, as you had a joke about on your blog because you seem to walk in a one way direction. The direction you take in life is to assume that no one knows anything but you, which is sad.

    Kirk, I will just say that your sources are flat out incorrect and were written by revisionists that want to shake the foundation of this Christian nation. If you cannot see the forces of evil working in this United States, then you are blind to the good of Jesus Christ, too. Doubt not the words of Jesus Christ.

  37. LINDA says:

    Of course, you will find contradictions in the Bible because the books had different auhors and were written with each person’s particular biases for interpretation of God’s word and Jesus’ word. But that does not mean that Jesus Christ is not the Lord and Savior. When you walk with Christ, and have a personal relationship with Christ, then your doubts will be removed.

  38. LINDA says:

    Kirk,

    It is Satan that wants us to doubt the word, and to question this and to question that. just as Satan was working on Thomas’ mind when he witnessed the seven miracles as recorded in John. This is where the term doubting Thomas is derived from. You remember when Jesus ask his disciples why they lacked faith in what they had witnessed. That is why we are today still faced with the doubting Thomas that persists in our souls.

  39. LINDA says:

    And to clarify, yes i know that i am wrong to tell people to move if they are not a Christian. But if they want to take Christianity out of the United States, then they should move. I hope this clarifies my position. We are not going anywhere, until the Lord calls us home.

  40. thank_god_Im_ATHEIST says:

    She has now moved from the old Jehovah’s witness tactics of going door to door and now wants to preach the gospel online. She is out blogging us 4:1 here. Just like a fanatic that only believes what they want to hear. Cotton in her ears. This 4:1 ratio must be some kind of divine intervention. Linda can I get an amen?? How about a “be healed!”

  41. LINDA says:

    I will take my truth from the one and only, Jesus who came as “King of the Jews.”

    I suppose the those that prefer to be as swine can take your messages from kookery. Bow Wow!

  42. ColinATL says:

    Linda, I’m wondering who’s trying to take Christianity OUT of the United States? There are some who want to take God off money and the pledge of allegiance, which I think is misguided, but to me does not seem to be all that anti-Christian. It’s really more anti-religion-in-government. I agree that there should be separation of church and state, but I don’t know that suing to remove all vestiges of it is either necessary or prudent.

    Linda, should all non-Christians just submit to the posting of Christian commandments in their courthouses and the legislation of Christian morality? You just want them to take it and shut up? Seems anti-Democratic of you, antediluvian really.

  43. Mad Dog says:

    Did someone mention fiat money?

    Aren’t the Protestant 10 Commandments fiat commandments?

    What the heck e darn does fiat mean in the context of money?

    I thought there were 19 to 30 of those fiat orders from the King James Bible on what NOT to do…

    FIATS give me fits

  44. kspencer says:

    Linda,

    Re “revisionist” sources, I have read the originals wherever possible over translations and interpretations. For scholars of more ancient time I have clawed my way through greek and hebrew and latin, leaning heavily on translator dictionaries to compensate for my lack of fluency, so as to do this. Fortunately, reading the writings of Madison and Franklin and Jefferson and Mason and other founders requires only the knowledge of English – well, some Latin and occasional French is also needed. Some of the founders were trinitarian Christians, wishing indeed that this would be a Christian nation in the fullest sense of the concept. But some, as already mentioned, were not. And in the end, our constitution’s preamble does not contain ‘to make a Christian nation’ as one of the reasons for the ordination and establishment of the United States of America. Indeed, there is a clear indicator that the authors intended some separation of the influence of religion upon government by their inclusion within the 6th article, that no religious test shall ever be required as qualification of any office or trust.

    And I am afraid you lost me with the rest of your statements. You say the Bible “had different auhors and were written with each person’s particular biases for interpretation of God’s word and Jesus’ word.” But I must trust it implicitly?

    No. If it was twisted by human frailty and bias, then it cannot be deemed a perfectly true document. Therefore every element is worthy of challenge – not of denial, but of clear-eyed scrutiny. To do less is to take the easy way – to refuse to use the gifts and talents I have been given. Eventually, yes, a leap of faith is required — in the end, a truism of every religion. But doing so with eyes wide open, KNOWING of the chasm being leapt, has left me with a great deal of skepticism toward those who would tell me what God REALLY means while demanding I close my eyes again.

    I do not ask, much less demand, that you forswear your faith, for that would be a grievous wrong on my part. Nor do I think it wrong of you to proselytize. But to FORCE and DEMAND that all follow your faith is a violation of not only law but of the commands of your same faith. Christ did give the great commission, but he had other instructions alongside it. Setting aside the instruction to love your neighbor as yourself, he instructed that there were different ways to follow him (the “those who are not against me are with me” verse and its context). And he instructed his proselytizers to allow those who did not wish to follow to take their own path. (Shaking the dust from the sandles being one example.) For me, I would rather decide to ‘shake the dust from my sandles’ in error than to have wrongfully judged others. For I am certain that when judgment comes I shall be judged as I have judged. I know I am human and subject to error, and would rather be forgiven for small slips than horrendous evil.

    Kirk

  45. Bill Simon says:

    Linda,

    “Slurs???” YOU are accusing me of throwing “slurs” your way? And all of your comments about “The Jews” don’t fit the definition of “slurs” in your feeble, MBA-without-a-lick-of-logic brain?

    That is so incredibly funny! Really now, you should consider submitting your resume to The Colbert Report because they LOVE that kind of straight-faced satire.

  46. Mad Dog says:

    Kirk,

    Nice response, much more reserved than I would be.

    Just wanted to compliment you before adding my two cents.

    Weren’t the ‘christians’ who first came here fleeing ‘christians’ ?

    Kind of gets rough to know which set of ‘christians’ were the right ones.

    The ones that had to flee Europe or the ones that stayed?

    Not that I think of right and wrong in that context. Just that it contradicts coming to a continent to start a ‘christian’ nation when almost all of Europe was ‘christian.’

    I think there were some other reasons to go exploring and risking your life that should be included in the mix of reasons people left Europe. (Since we’re only talking about the English speaking caucasian group that gets labeled as “FOUNDING FATHERS.”)

  47. Bill Simon says:

    Here’s a question that has never been answered: Why didn’t Jesus himself do all of this writing? Why did he rely on witnesses to take what he supposedly said and intrepret that themselves to write down?

    As I recall, it was God who gave Moses the two tablets of Commandments. Did Jesus know how to write?

  48. Mad Dog says:

    Bill,

    The Jewish Democratic Party of Israel and the International Brotherhood of Labor Descriptions had forced Roman governors into long term contracts that divided labor.

    Scribes were allowed to write. Rabbi’s to read. Carpenters were not in the communication workers union. They only got to cuss when they hit their thumb with the hammer.

    They did get a really good deal on how much butt crack they can show while at work.

    Almost as much as a HVAC tech.

  49. LINDA says:

    Bill,

    Yes, I am accusing you of throwing slurs. Now, go back to drinking your shots of Jaggermeister and party hearty! I will not waste my time on you anymore, as you are the imbecile. The rest of you will oneday face the truth, and that is a fact. Believe it or not, Jesus Christ is the Lord and Saviour. And I know firsthand, as he is in my life. I am sorry that you are so nasty and vile, but hey not everyone will be chosen as the Bible clearly says.

  50. LINDA says:

    Kirk,

    What you should trust implicity is that Jesus Christ rose on the third day from the tomb. After Christ’s resurrection, there were as many as 5,000 people that were baptized in oneday. Read Acts, as Peter is instructed by God, as he is a Jew, to visit with the Gentiles and spread the Gospel. This is just one of many miracles of Christ. There are more historical truths to prove the Bible than any other historical document. Just pray for your doubts to go away. And to the person that said that there are not people trying to remove Christianity from the United States, you are walking and living in this country with your eyes and ears shut. You need to wake up. These are the signs of the end of the times, as recorded in Matthew. We cannot stop it, but we can continue to spread the Gospel to those that are not paying attention.

  51. LINDA says:

    What other faith do you know of Kirk, whose disciples risked their lives for to spread the gospel. These disciples went about preaching without weapons, and armed with only the Truth. The majority of them were killed by the enemies of Christ. How many people do you know that would give their life for what they witnessed without putting forward a fight? After witnessing the resurrected Christ, these men gave their lives to spread the good news.

  52. thank_god_Im_ATHEIST says:

    She just keeps preaching as if it were fact. Linda states, there are more historical truths to prove the bible than any other historical document. NAME ONE!!!!
    There is no proof. That is why they say you have to have faith. Your faith guides you Linda. Furthermore, Linda, the other faith that people are giving their lives to spread the gospel is Radical Muslims. I think 19 just gave their lives screaming Allah as they crashed into the towers. THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT FACT OR TRUTH. Just another person trying to sway people to their religion, and get to heaven and have 72 virgins.

    Linda do you believe evolution occured?

  53. kspencer says:

    Linda, what other faiths have done this, this proselytization with word instead of sword (at least some of the time)?
    Buddhism.
    Islam (yes, sometimes).
    Bahaism.
    Wicca.

    That’s a fast summary off the top of my head.

    Kirk

  54. flamingmoderate says:

    The *best* point on this thread so far was made by Dingleberry. Linda says all of this stupid ass shit about “revisionist” this or “mislead” that. Then as proof, she posts some bullshit website with non-credible writings by non-credible people.

    Linda,

    You are a dumb ass. I hope Satan welcomes you with open arms for all of the hatred and vitriol you spread toward non-Aryan folk who get a different idea out of the bible than you.

    ESAD.

  55. LINDA says:

    This prior link has the reference to the 5,000 historical documents and arheological proof. And to the person that talks about the Christian Crusades, I feel that the wars were more a survival of the fittest in the times and some leaders into empire building. It is akin to the United States and Great Britian. Christians that sign up for military duty, do not choose the battles to fight. Now, the only reason that I post for the atheists of this blog is that I am actually writing for someone that is reading and not posting on this blog. For someone, lukewarm in their Christianity (even if only one, I am willing to sacrifice my time to help you and arm you with facts for the skeptics that try to belittle your belief.

    I am grounded in my faith because I have talked with Christ personally. If you ever have a divine intervention, your life will never be the same and you will never again question the existence of the Lord.

  56. kspencer says:

    Linda,

    You seem to believe I am challenging the existance of Jesus. I am not doing so. I will note that I’ve read many of the documents referenced, and have seen discussions and debate between religious scholars on the validity (whole and in part) of many – and have come to the conclusion that Jesus son of Joseph did live. None of that is the original point, which you have left unanswered.

    Allow me to restate the question.

    Is the Bible literally true?
    If yes, please resolve the conflicting stories of the end of Judas.

  57. LINDA says:

    I cannot resolve the conflicting stories of Judas because I have not studied it. The Bible is true enough to have withstood centuries of scrutiny. I do not know of any writing that may be defined as literally true, except that which I am typing now. I know that I am typing this as Linda, as you do. I am not typing as an alias, as I have not need to hide behind a pseudo name.

    All I can tell you is that I had God talk to me in October 1964, at the age of nine when I was expecting my mother to come home from the hospital at any time to not be sad and to know that my mother was with him in Heaven. I was all alone sitting outside on my aunt’s farm. When her and my uncle pulled into the driveway, and she walked into the backyard, I told her that I knew my mother had passed away. This is my living testimony of Christ, and he has been with me through thick and thin. Some will scoff at my miracle with Christ, but that is their problem not mine. I am happy to know the Lord.

  58. thank_god_Im_ATHEIST says:

    another contradiction…

    Acts 9:7 and Acts 22:9

    one version says that the men with Saul heard a voice but saw no man and the next verse says the men saw only a light but heard not a voice. Speaking of the same occurance.

    and there are many more but people who have a different agenda will come up with resons why the translations are all incorrect for various reasons. But if God wrote the bible thru men, then why can’t he get it right. He is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent.

    Just another excuse that requires FAITH. I guess. I can’t handle excuses anymore.

    I think the bible has a lot of very good moral stories to live by but I don’t throw the babies of my enemies on the rocks just because the bible says.

    If you would like to know where it says that I will find it.

  59. LINDA says:

    Maybe each of the men saw or heard something unique for each of them. God would know best how to communicate with any person. Let me give you an exercise that you can try. With complete quiet in the room, hold a Bible in your hand and ask the Lord to help you find a passage to answer whatever question that you have in your heart. Something that you ‘want to resolve. Actually, pray with your hand on the Bible and then open to a part of the Bible any place in the Bible that your instincts tell you to do. It will surprise you if you are truly sincere in conversing with the Lord.

    As far as the babies killed, I would say that is in the Old Testament. Now, you know that Jesus was sent to clariy the laws set forth by the Chief Pharisees (same as Rabbis), as they had substituted the laws of men for God’s law. For instance, a Rabbi was under pressure to grant divorces by the public (much like the public of today, right?). King Solomon, I believe, had many wives. Jesus called them hypocrites and the seeds of Satan for their evil ways. So much of the old Testament is God’s word mixed with man’s views, as is the New Testament. Try praying with your Bible. If you don’t have one, I will personally buy you one.

  60. thank_god_Im_ATHEIST says:

    Linda I sat by the sea with a big shell to my ear and it told me to listen to the Star of David fish. I made a wish upon a praying mantis crab and it showed me the footsteps in the sand. When I saw there was only one set of footsteps I asked …. where were you when I needed you most. And the Jew fish said you were swimming with me!!!!!! This is the answer I got during my revelation at area 51 when I went to the Binny Hinn concert and tried to be healed. But I couldn’t get passed the bouncers at the stage where the only people being healed were the ladies from Africa who got up and walked on holy water. HOLY WATER.

    as I asked previosly? do you believe that evolution occured? or did we get poofed into existence within the last 10,000 yrs?

  61. LINDA says:

    I believe one hundred percent in the Book of Genesis. So, no I do not believe in evolution for man kind. The DNA for men and women is much too complex to have happened by random evolution. If evolution created men and women, then a monkey would by now have become a human being. I think this evolution is pure nonsense. And, besides I have told you that have my faith as solid as a rock. You can save your mockery for another day because I am not interested in your making fun of Jesus. Save it for those that find it to be amusing.

  62. thank_god_Im_ATHEIST says:

    POOFED INTO EXISTENCE WAS YOUR ANSWER. So since you take the bible literally as everyone was asking…….your words I believe Genesis 100%….. should we throw the children of the enemies of god on the rocks and be happy about it? Psalms 137:9. You don’t believe that part of the Old Test, do you? Just like you said earlier. It must have been in the Old Test. Genesis is in the Old Test. in case you’ve not checked lately. Also it says in the bible that if a man lays with another man he should be killed. Do you go around killing fags? See Linda you are probably a really nice lady with a good heart but when you let your religion go so far as to say that if someone doesn’t believe in god they should leave this country you have stepped over the lines. OK. Let me list some famous atheist for you. Tell all these people that they should leave the country. OK.

    Please read them all so you will know who you are asking to leave the country.

    Douglas Adams, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Woody Allen, Lance Armstrong, Darren Aronofsky, Isaac Asimov, Dave Barry, Ingmar Bergman, Lewis Black, Richard Branson, Berkeley Breathed, Warren Buffett, George Carlin, John Carmack, Adam Carolla, John Carpenter, Asia Carrera, Dick Cavett, Noam Chomsky, Billy Connolly, Francis Crick, David Cronenberg, David Cross, Alan Cumming, Rodney Dangerfield, Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, David Deutsch, Ani DiFranco, Micky Dolenz, Harlan Ellison, Brian Eno, Richard Feynman, Harvey Fierstein, Larry Flynt, Dave Foley, Jodie Foster, Janeane Garofalo, Bill Gates, Bob Geldof, Ricky Gervais, Ira Glass, James Gleick, Seth Green, Robert Heinlein, Nat Hentoff, Katharine Hepburn, Christopher Hitchens, Penn Jillette, Billy Joel, Angelina Jolie, Wendy Kaminer, Diane Keaton, Neil Kinnock, Michael Kinsley, Richard Leakey, Bruce Lee, Tom Lehrer, Tom Leykis, James Lipton, H.P. Lovecraft, John Malkovich, Barry Manilow, Todd McFarlane, Sir Ian McKellen, Arthur Miller, Frank Miller, Marvin Minsky, Julianne Moore, Desmond Morris, Randy Newman, Mike Nichols, Jack Nicholson, Gary Numan, Bob Odenkirk, Patton Oswalt, Camille Paglia, Steven Pinker, Paula Poundstone, Terry Pratchett, James Randi, Ron Reagan Jr., Keanu Reeves, Rick Reynolds, Gene Roddenberry, Joe Rogan, Henry Rollins, Andy Rooney, Salman Rushdie, Bob Simon, Steven Soderbergh, George Soros, Richard Stallman, Bruce Sterling, Howard Stern, J. Michael Straczynski, Julia Sweeney, Matthew Sweet, Annika Sörenstam, Teller, Studs Terkel, Tom Tomorrow, Linus Torvalds, Eddie Vedder, Paul Verhoeven, Kurt Vonnegut Jr., Sarah Vowell, James Watson, Steven Weinberg, Ted Williams.

    ALL ATHEISTS.

  63. thank_god_Im_ATHEIST says:

    I copied and pasted that last comment. I believe some of them are not from the US. But are famous atheist for one reason or another.

  64. Bill Simon says:

    I listen to Lewis Black’s comedy CDs. He has never mentioned that he is an atheist, and he has spent a lot of time on religion during his acts.

    He does state that he is Jewish. Maybe he is more of an agnostic.

  65. LINDA says:

    Dear Kirk,

    Did you know that while in high school, Billy Joel dated Catholic girls? Many of Billy Joel’s songs actually talk about his confusing and his wrestling with God. Have you ever stopped to think who is working in the world to make the atheist so famous? Howard Stern has most certainly harmed the shareholder value for Sirius Satellite Radio. Larry Flynt has done more to degrade the culture of the United States than just about any person that I know. I am not impressed with the atheist of the world. Many of the people on your atheist link are Jewish, by the way. It proved a debate that I had with Bill Simon when we first butted heads.
    Jesus said that there would be division in the world and he expected it.

    Genesis is literally true for me in the creation aspect. As far as discrepancies in the Bible, remember that Jesus came to clarify some of the errors of those that had written the Old Testament. The basic premise of God and the fact that he would send a Messiah are the main rocks of the Old Testament. Jesus came to fullfill these scriptures. Your remark about the faith healer is exactly what Jesus warned about, as he warned of false prophets and those that portray that they can call upon the divine at will and provide miracles. The Lord may not be willed to appear to anyone. But, the Lord is alive in our hearts when we pray alone to him, individually. I have never said that I could bring the Lord forward to anyone because that would be blasphemy. Now, I visited a church called Emanuel Baptist Church in Swansboro, NC this past January, and it was the most powerful service that I have ever attended. The minister is Pastor Wakefield and has been with this small church for 27 years. The Holy Ghost was in the church for this Wednesday night service because the members of this particular church come prepared to hear the word of the Lord. By prepared, I mean that they pray during the week and study the Bible. There is nothing more powerful than a congregation that prays together. The minister cannot do it alone. The atheist in the end of times will be the majority of the world.

  66. LINDA says:

    And, before I get called an anti-semite, I have already said that I believe in the creation that began with Adam and Eve, and that goes forward to the House of Joseph. Now Mary, the mother of Christ was a Jew. So, thus my DNA is made up of Jewish roots. So, no I do not hate that which I am a part of. My prayer is that you will find the Lord.

  67. kspencer says:

    Linda,

    You addressed a remark to me I believe you intended to send to someone else. After all, I am not the person who gave the link to famous atheists.

    I also have NO idea to whom or in response to what the “enjoy each other’s company” post was made.

    Kirk

  68. LINDA says:

    My apologies, Kirk. I have been reading so many vicious remarks about Christianity, that I felt as though I were posting on nogodblog.com. It is a real blog, no kidding. I suppose I lumped all into one pile. Have a good day!

  69. thank_god_Im_ATHEIST says:

    Kirk she made the comment to me. Sorry man for the misunderstanding, seems Linda makes a few of those.

    Linda,

    you just mentioned the atheist you didn’t like……

    can I get a comment on Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, George Soros, Ronald Reagan Jr., Jodie Foster, Lance Armstrong, Ted Williams, Barry Manilow, & Keanu Reeves. Especially comment on Warren Buffet. He just gave 30 billion dollars to charity. I guess your pissed he didn’t give that money to your church.

    If anyone has a Q. to whether or not these people are atheist, Google celebrity atheist and it has quotes that they purportedly said. I have not gone deep emough to verify them. Famous Atheist (google) list some of the founding fathers that were aforementioned.

    for example: Bill Gates: as for allocation of time resources, I can think of a lot better things to do on Sunday morning than go to church.

    Bruce Lee: when asked what religion he was, he said, “none whatsoever.”

    I have not dug deep enough to verify all of these first hand. If some of them are incorrect, I apologize. But I couldn’t ask any of the ones listed on this post to leave the country because they were atheist. Sorry.

    Linda, did you join that church in Minnesota protesting the burial of military men.
    Really Linda I don’t mean that because you said you have military family and surely you are not that radical. But do you see that people like that are pushing the bible and their religion out of proportion.

    WE NEED SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. YOUR RELIGION IS NOT THE ONLY ONE IN THE US. THAT IS WHAT MAKES THE US GREAT. WE ACCEPT ALL PEOPLE HAVING CERTAIN RIGHTS NO MATTER WHAT RELIGION. SO YOU CAN’T TELL ANY TO MOVE OUT OF THE COUNTRY. ESPECIALLY ME. I FOUGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY. I DON’T HAVE TO BE ANY RELIGION. I CAN BE ANTI-RELIGIOUS.

    Bill. check out the Lewis Black quotes on the website. It is comedy so it may be inflated. But apparently he said it. Now I do stand-up comedy so I follow that too. I don’t know for sure and have never been able to ask him personally.

    Marcus

  70. LINDA says:

    Those that you idolize are of Satan, and I am a Christian. Christians are not of this world. We live in this world, but we are hated by men that hate Jesus for his namesake. See the New Testament. Perhaps, oneday you will see the light.

    A record post this week, Eric! And all in the name of Jesus Christ!

  71. thank_god_Im_ATHEIST says:

    Linda, I think you are a good woman with morales. The name calling is not needed. I don’t idolize satan. I don’t believe that satan exists. I don’t believe that god exists. You will probably go nuts over that one. Just apologize for telling people to leave the country. And please give me comments on what you think about the other atheist. PLEASE.

    Marcus

  72. Bill Simon says:

    Linda is confusing comments about HER with someone being “anti-Christian.”

    No, Linda, I’m just anti-Stupid. And, like Ron White says, you just can’t fix Stupid…

  73. Mad Dog says:

    Marcus,

    I agree that Linda is a moral person and tries to live a good life.

    Just like me, some of her efforts are misplaced.

    I just strongly resent being told how to believe or behave. By just about anyone.

    Mad Dog

  74. LINDA says:

    http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=47130095

    Satan most certainly exists in this world. This is the same goth that the “angel of death” from Canada that was the lone gunman in the college yesterday. A 25 year old screwed up in the head guy that idolized the Columbine killers. This is a sign of the times, for those of you that just do not get it. Just wait until the Christians are called home to the Lord, this is the people that will haunt you and kill you and your children. Scarry, is it not? And, to answer a question: there is not an atheist that I admire.

  75. thank_god_Im_ATHEIST says:

    Bill, Linda is not stupid, just missinformed. She has been gullible to the preaching.

    Linda, religion is killing children. They may not be your children. Did you not read what I wrote about the children in Turkey. That is the country Linda. You can talk about Satan all you want but you will not look objectively at something without throwing religious slurs into the picture. When you take what you have been taught out of the picture you will see a difference. EVERYONE WHO HAS RELIGION HAS BEEN TAUGHT IT BY SOMEONE WITH NO PROOF OF ITS VALIDITY.

    I can go up the blog and look. I can’t say that any of the people that wrote any of the words are evil. That is what you say satan is. You would say I’m evil. I am going to hell to be with Satan. Because I am atheist. You don’t know me. Linda, you seem to be a person who is set on going to heaven because that is the place you go when you are a good person. I think you try hard to be a good person. I don’t doubt you try to do goood things. I admire that. But there is a misunderstanding in the world as to what bad is. Families in Turkey kill there daughters for looking at a boy because of their religion. The country of Turkey is trying to stop it with tougher laws. But those lives are lost because of a bad belief system.

    YOU CAN’T EVEN QUESTION WHAT YOU BELIEVE, EVEN THOUGH THERE IS NO PROOF. THAT KIND OF BLIND COMMITMENT CAUSED THE PEOPLE OF 9/11 TO FLY PLANES INTO THE TWIN TOWERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Now Linda, I am not equating you with someone that would so something like that. I am just telling you that those guys were told by someone over there that they would go to heaven if they did this. Do you agree??????????????????????????????

    If heaven does not exist they did it for nothing. But you would not know because you would be blind to the fact. BLIND LINDA. that means you can’t see the truth. OK. Jesus walked on water. But you would not know because you wouldn’t have been able to see it. YOU WERE BLIND. I didn’t see it because I wasn’t there. You weren’t either. You would have to have taken a second hand account. Linda I admire your staunch adherance to doing right. But question the people that tell you what is right and wrong.

    Don’t just follow someone who says something that sounds righteous. Get PROOF.

    I CALL FOR A VOTE. BILL, KIRK, DOG, FLAMINGMODERATE.

    SHOULD WE HAVE TO LEAVE THIS COUNTRY BCAUSE WE ARE NOT THE SAME RELIGION AS LINDA????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    let me know.

  76. Mad Dog says:

    If Linda isn’t happy living in a country so full of Jews, queers, gays, lesbians, towel heads, Mexicans, Catholics, Hebrews, agnostics, pagans, Wiccans, Hindus, Buddists, Calvinists, Lutherans, Methodists, Pentecostals, Islamics, Hedonists, Mennonites, Quakers, Scientologists, Adventists, Sunnis, Druze, Shaman, humanists, deists, pantheism, Juche, Taoism, Confucianism, Tibetanism, Spiritism, Jehovahs Witnesses, Latter-Day Saints, Anglican, Episcopalans,Baha’i, Jainism, Shinto, Cao Dai, Falun Gong, Universalism, The Dhamic, …

    well, I’m sure she can find a better neighborhood to live in.

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