49 comments

  1. Dignan says:

    As a conservative evangelical Christian, I am no fan of Dobson either. And it has little to do with his stance on homosexuality. I could do without his moralism at the expense of the Gospel of Christ.

    Rejecting Dobson does not equal rejecting Christianity.

  2. Oz says:

    Well, I like Dobson, but that’s hardly the point. The point is that the Braves shouldn’t be picking and choosing political points of view.

    Having said that, I’ve been over MLB for a number years ago. I’ll come back when they have a hard salary cap like football.

  3. The Busdriver says:

    Sigh . . . there’s a difference between “Faith Day” and “Christian politics” day, and the Braves were aiming for the former. Why is it a problem if the Braves want to keep the message centered upon sharing the gospel INSTEAD of having the event turn into a poltical debate over Abercrombie & Fitch catalogs, homosexuality, and prayer in schools?

    Good grief, gives the Braves a break. Know any other MLB teams that have sponsored a Christian “Faith Day”?

    Talk about the perfect being the enemy of the good . . .

  4. donkeydonkey says:

    I’m glad that someone other than me realized that the Atlanta Braves are one of the main players in the international gay conspiracy.

  5. debbie0040 says:

    The Braves don’t want alternative points of view. They are discriminating against groups that are against the gay lifestyle.

    At the same time, the Braves have something similar to gay day or at least they did a few years ago.

    I will not attend another Braves game..

  6. The Busdriver says:

    Debbie, you will not be missed.

    If Dobson can induce a ground ball with RISP, then by all means, let him in . . . and add him to the 40 man roster. Until then, let guys like Smoltz, Sid Bream, and Reitsma talk about their faith without it becoming a political event.

  7. debbie0040 says:

    The Braves refuse to allow alternative points of view to the gay lifestyle. They do not want conflicting views. They are saying if you condemn the gay lifestyle or gay marriage you are not welcomed at their game.

  8. Bill Simon says:

    No, Debbie, that is not correct, and you know it. They just don’t want public proclamations of your condemnations of other lifestyles. Dobson wouldn’t be just “attending” a game here…he’d be publicly proslytizing his views of the world.

  9. dingleberry says:

    Debbie0040,

    That is actually not accurate. This move is purely directed at Dobson by Liberty Media over old business, not his points of view on the “gay lifestyle”. Dobson had publicly condemned Liberty Media for buying the braves. He publicly critized liberty media for their production of adult films.

    This is just liberty media getting back at Dobson. But I second Bus Driver’s opinion, Debbie0040. We won’t miss you.

  10. Decaturguy says:

    Debbie,

    The Braves don’t care what beliefs you hold in the privacy of your home, family, and church. Neither does anyone. They just don’t want you to condem a portion of their fan base to hell, in public, and on their property.

    Sound familiar?

  11. debbie0040 says:

    The Braves glorify the gay lifestyle and don’t want alternative points of view. It is that simple. Why would they have gay day but not allow those with opposing views have their voice heard?

    Dingleberry, that would explain why they allow gay day and not alternative points of view.

    Decatur guy, the Braves don’t care if the gays don’t keep it in their homes…

    You are correct Demonbeck. Who wants to watch them lose?

  12. dingleberry says:

    Debbie0040,

    You are such a damn troll. This has nothing to do with “gays”. Plenty of Christian Organizations besides Dobson’s were invited. Many of which do NOT condone the homosexual lifestyle. As I said, this is a direct hit at Dobson. Not his message. Liberty media is getting back at Dobson.

    Not everything is some vast gay conspiracy, Debbie0040. But, since you seem to marginalize organizations that condone the “gay lifestyle” would you mind answering some questions?

    From which company do you buy your clothes? Levis, Gap, Old Navy, Wrangler?

    From where do you buy your groceries? Ingles? Kroger? Publix?

    The reason I ask Debbie0040 is that the places you depend on for EVERYTHING are equal opportunity employers. Meaning they cannot discriminate based on sexual orientation. Meaning, there’s a good chance that a gay man made the shirt you’re wearing or that a gay man canned the soup you bought.

    Funny. I don’t hear you declaring a boycott against those organizations.

    The Braves were very equal in their days. They had a gay day. And they had a faith day. Are you saying that James Dobson is the only “faith” based organization against gays?

  13. dingleberry says:

    I’m not saying it’s opposite. I’m just trying to point out to Debbie0040 that both types of days were held. She seems to think that banning the bigot Dobson means that no “faith day” actually took place.

  14. Decaturguy says:

    “Isn’t that what gays do at gay day?”

    No, they just buy a block of seats and attend the game (they actually haven’t had one in about 5 years), just like on faith day, church groups buy a block of seats and attend the game. The only difference being, of course, that after the game on faith day, they hold a ceremony for all the groups, which they did not do when they had a gay day.

    So given that on gay day, they do not give gays such a forum, how do the Braves allow the gays to “publicly proslytiz[e] [their] views of the world.”

    I’m sure the Braves would have no problem is James Dobson bought a couple of hundred seats and sold them to Focus on the Family members. They might even recognize them on the video display board after the 7th inning stretch. The Braves just don’t want to give Focus on the Family a forum to espouse their beliefs the might turn off 75% of their fan base.

  15. whitemalevoters says:

    Decaturguy, Jace Walden, Demonbeck:

    The three of you need to shut the hell up. James Dobson is a GREAT WHITE MALE. He has always stood tall for white male voters. Everyone knows that only white male voters like baseball. Therefore, to ban Dobson is to alienate 100% of your fan base.

    Debbie:

    You are right on point. Thank you for standing up for those who stand up for white male voters.

  16. debbie0040 says:

    From which company do you buy your clothes? Levis, Gap, Old Navy, Wrangler? Liz Clairborne

    Groceries – Walmart

    I could care less if someone gay makes my clothes.

    My point is that the Braves allow the gay lifestyle to be glorified but not differing viewpoints.

    They should not allow any special interst group day unless they allow all points of view to be heard. I am sure Christians have a real problem taking their kids to a Braves game and see a gay couple kissing and hugging.

    I am not a Braves fan anyway. They always seem to do in the playoffs what Liberace always dreamed of- They always blow the big one….

  17. dingleberry says:

    Debbie0040:

    You are a typical right-wing troll. You won’t even answer the question I asked.

    IS JAMES DOBSON’S FOCUS ON THE FAMILY THE ONLY CHRISTIAN ORGANIZATION OPPOSED TO HOMOSEXUALS?

    Yes or no?

    If the answer is “no”, which it is, then your argument if completely moot. Just like most of your arguments tend to be.

  18. Demonbeck says:

    Seriously, judging from how often I disagree with her, I don’t know how debbie and I can both be Republicans.

  19. Bill Simon says:

    I think that, except for “Gay Day with The Braves,” every OTHER game is “Non-Gay Day With The Braves.”

    So, clearly, Debbie, the Braves are quite fair in giving “both sides” equal time.

  20. debbie0040 says:

    I am against gay marriage and giving special recognition to gay couples.
    That is detrimental to society and will not back down from that.

    Demonbeck, I don’t care if you agree with me or not.

    What do you guys would happen to any candidate running on a pro gay platform in Georgia for a statewide race? The majority of voters do agree with me.

    I believe groups like The Boy Scouts are being discriminated against by charitable organizations because they exclude gays from membership. IE Bank of America

    We have become too politically correct.

    And no , Dr. Dobson’s group is not the only one that opposes the gay lifestyle. His is just the most outspoken.

    You guys would not have a problem with gays threatening to boycott a Braves game if Dobson spoke, but you do have a problem with those that agree with Dobson boycotting a Braves game because they would not allow him to participate. It is a double standard, plain and simple…

  21. dingleberry says:

    Debbie0040,

    James Dobson is by far not the most outspoken. His organization can’t hold a candle to the outspokeness of Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church–They are vehemently anti-homosexual. Do you think that since the Braves had a Gay day that they should have a “Westboro Baptist Church Day”?

    I’ll say this again since you’re slow…

    This had nothing to do with Dobson’s views on homosexuals. It has everything to do with Dobson publically criticizing Liberty Media over the adult films they put in hotel rooms. Get over it. Not everything is a radical gay conspiracy.

  22. Decaturguy says:

    Hey, Debbie, I heard Liz Claibourne is a lesbian. You’d better change your pants.

    Debbie, the Braves, Bank of America, etc. have the right to do business with whomever they want to, just like you do.

    Seems like you are the one pushing political correctness by forcing James Dobson down their throats and saying if you don’t let him promote his radical viewpoints at the stadium, I’m going home.

    Again, I don’t really think the Braves let gay people pass out pro gay literature at “gay days.” Why should the Braves give special preference to James Dobson? Do you think James Dobson should have “special rights?”

  23. debbie0040 says:

    Dobson’s views are not radical. I get your point Dingleberry .

    Decaturguy, how are Dobson’s views out of line with the majority of voters in Georgia?

    Even Cathy Cox backed away from her pro gay stance…

    The Braves are the ones pushing political correctness by promoting gay relationships…. Gay realtionships are abnormal and the Braves are a prt of the attempt to normalize gay relationships.

  24. Jason says:

    Yes…the Braves are part of the vast left-wing conspiracy to makes Debbie’s and religious right Christians miserable by supporting gay marriage.

    The cat is out of the bag.

    And they call us Libertarians crazy.

    I want some of what Debbie is smoking!

  25. Philly says:

    Debbie is correct in her assumptions.

    Gay marriage and gay relationships are not considered normal.

    The majority of voters are against it. People like you, Jason , are in the minority and people with mine and Debbie’s point of view are in the majority whether you like it or not. Ridicule away but your ridicule will not change the fact that YOU are in the minority.

    There is an attempt by gay activists to slowly gain acceptance by putting pressure on companies like the Braves to legitimize or normalize gay relationships. Disney is part of that effort too. They have gay day just like the Braves do.

    Groups like Dobson’s are starting to fight fire with fire. There was a very well publicized boycott of Ford Motor company by groups like Dobson’s and it looks to have had an impact. Ford posted record losses.

  26. Demonbeck says:

    I say let Dobson and his followers boycott the Braves…it means there will be one more public place where I can drink my beer in peace without some religious nut calling me a sinner.

  27. debbie0040 says:

    Not everyone that opposes the gay lifestyle is a religious nut, Demonbeck. If that were the case, then there are a lot of religious nuts in Georgia .

    I don’t have a problem with drinking, in fact,I do on occasion drink.

    To be honest, I am just not a Braves fan. I don’t like the Falcons either. I do like both Georgia and Georgia Tech.

  28. Demonbeck says:

    “Not everyone that opposes the gay lifestyle is a religious nut”

    I didn’t say anything about gay lifestyles, debbie. I fully support Dobson’s boycott of the Braves. It’s a free country and he can do what he wants. I’m just not going to join him cause I think his point is ludicrous and asinine.

    Again I say, far too many people make faith the opposite of far too many things. Mr. Dobson is one of those people.

  29. Rusty says:

    I say let Dobson and his followers boycott the Braves…it means there will be one more public place where I can drink my beer in peace without some religious nut calling me a sinner.

    I second that motion.

  30. Bill Simon says:

    Debbie,

    When you get to Gwinnett County, here is a list of fellow nutjobs you should hook yourself up with so y’all can run together in the pack:

    Kathy Hildebrand
    Judi Quigley
    Kathryn Gartland

    There are several more and I will make sure to post their names so you will know where you will comfortably fit-in.

  31. rugby_fan says:

    Dobson’s views are out of line with most people in Georgia because he has a very extreme point of view.

    “Gay marriage and gay relationships are not considered normal.

    “The majority of voters are against it.”

    Actually Philly, recent polls show a majority of Americans see nothing wrong with gay relationships. Most people would approve legislation providing Civil Unions to gay couples. Its marriage that people are not too keen about.

    I’ll dig up the polls to show it if anyone cares.

  32. debbie0040 says:

    Thanks, Bill, but I have known all three for some time now and do not consider them to be nutjobs.

  33. Decaturguy says:

    “Decaturguy, how are Dobson’s views out of line with the majority of voters in Georgia?”

    Debblie, just because a majority of Georgians oppose “gay marriage,” does not mean that they sign up for Dobson’s far right wing, extremist agenda.

    Most Americans, and even Georgians despite your underestimation of them, support giving basic civil rights to gay people including protections against employment and housing discrimination. And that gay couples ought to be able to have some legal protections for their relationsships whether it be domestic partnerships or civil unions. Dobson does not.

    Most Americans (over 80% in the latest poll) believe that gay people should be able to serve honestly in the military. Dobson does not.

    Most people disagree with Dobson’s beliefs that homosexuality is a condition that you can and should “cure” and his comparisons of homosexuality to diseases such as pedophilia and alcoholism.

    Most people disagree with Dobson’s beliefs that men have the divine right to lead their families, and women have the divine obligation to submit to their authority.

    Most people disagree with Dobson’s beliefs that women should not work outside the home.

  34. Jeff Emanuel says:

    Decaturguy, I’d like to see that poll. I’d also like to see a poll of the opinions of those actually in the military on the issue.

    I’ve seen firsthand the devastating effects on our force and its readiness caused by Clinton’s use of the military for social experimentation — it’s not the place to be experimentally implementing “progressive” ideas, especially when the folks serving already have a war to worry about.

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