21 comments

  1. John Galt says:

    I wonder what black democrats such as Tyrone Brooks, Cynthia McKinney, et al think about their own white supporters? Since everything is racial to these buffoons, they surely look at white democrats as their own puppets.

  2. buzzbrockway says:

    I think, or rather I hope, that this type of politics is losing it’s effectiveness. However, I do worry about the Democrats becoming essentially the “black” party because of the overwhelming support African-Americans still give the Democrats. This is not a good development for our State.

  3. Jace Walden says:

    It’s kind of funny how democrats try to play up the whole “we are more fair toward minorities” thing, yet when a minority makes a decision that the democrats don’t like, they call him everything from “Uncle Tom” to “House Negro” to “Oreo”–to, in this case “Puppet of Slave Master”.

    I think it was Buzz that mentioned this (I’m not positive who), but I completely agree. Democrats would rather minorities stay in their current socio-economic status so they can continue to milk them for their votes. If there were more minority leaders like Herman Cain, J.C. Watts, and yes, Lynn Swann who could see past the “free handout” strategy of the Democratic party, the Democratic Party would be even more of a failure than it already is.

    It’s almost like slavery.

  4. Eddie T says:

    Jace,

    Comments like yours make me realize why Republicans won’t make inroads into the black community for at least another 50 years. And then we’ll re-evaluate and see if you’ve picked it up yet.

    You know the arrogance and condescending tone you accuse Democrats of having towards rural voters? When you argue that Black people are just so stupid they’re allowing themselves to be enslaved by the Democratic party, and all they need are more Black Republican leaders to take them out of the wilderness, you remind black people of why they’re voting for Democrats in the first place.

    Republicans can try to make arguments about why their policies are better for African-Americans, but until they stop campaigning on racial issues (the flag, anyone?), stop being condescending, and getting over the underlying racism still lurking in their hearts (see: the AJC blogs), Republicans will continue to max out at about 15%.

  5. Demonbeck says:

    Jace,

    It was me who said it.

    Eddie T,

    African American leaders like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and (in this case) Tyrone Brooks are Uncle Toms to their own race. These “leaders” would rather their race remain (largely) beholden to the plantation (government) than to be successful. Once African-Americans as a whole diversify their voice, these “leaders” lose their power and their status.

    Look at how Tyrone Brooks is challenging Hank Johnson. Look at how African American leaders treated JC Watts and Herman Cain. Look at how many African-American children who actually go to school to learn are called “white” by their peers. This is a stygma that is self-perpetuating and until someone is willing to call it as everyone else sees it, then it is going to continue.

  6. debbie0040 says:

    “I expect her to move to the international scene, especially as it relates to peace, justice and environmental issues. This is going to elevate her to another level” — Cynthia McKinney supporter State Rep. Tyrone Brooks, president of the Georgia Association of Black Elected Officials, commenting on Ms. McKinney’s defeat in Tuesday’s Democratic House primary.

    Maybe she will move to Iraq or Afghanistan and help Al Quada.

  7. Demonbeck says:

    Better yet, tell me how many African Americans are leaders within the Democratic party.

    Then tell me how many leaders within the Republican Party are African-American.

    It seems to me that African-Americans are being afforded more of a voice in the Republican party than they are in the Demagogue Party.

  8. Jace Walden says:

    Besides, I never said minorities were stupid, Eddie. I do think some of the higher ups in the democratic party think they are however. Whether you like it or not, the message of the Democratic party is “let’s get addicted to the government.” Let’s have taxpayer funded healthcare, taxpayer funded housing, taxpayer funded retirement, taxpayer funded charity…a taxpayer funded life. The democrats want everyone (not just minorities) to become dependent on the government. They try to justify it by offering little gems like “we defend minorities”.

    Your argument is the typical democratic argument. Racial issues this, keeping the little man down that, Karl Marx got hit with a wiffle ball bat. One of these days, the constituency of the democratic party is going to realize that its leaders are preaching nothing but socialism and government addiction and that it has gotten them absolutely no where.

    Have fun in the “wilderness” as you like to call it, Eddie.

  9. Demonbeck says:

    I’d hate for someone to label buzz a racist because of something I said – which is what I am now probably labeled for saying.

  10. Jace Walden says:

    It’s sad that someone is labled a racist simply because he/she happens to be able to see past someone’s skin color and make an objective argument. That’s the definition of a “racism” these days.

    “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they are not judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character”.

  11. Demonbeck says:

    I wonder what MLK would think about an America where his four little children would be judged by the party of their politics BECAUSE of the color of their skin.

  12. Eddie T says:

    The more y’all talk, the more out of touch with black voters you sound.

    The numbers don’t lie. Y’all are winning elections now based on a coalition of voters that is almost entirely white. You obviously won’t contest that.

    My argument is anything but typical–I never presumed that Republicans don’t have policies to offer African-Americans. My argument is that as long as you are arrogant and condescending about the choices black people make as far as who to vote for, you will be received with tin ears.

    And for all the arguments you made about an absence of black leadership (certainly not in Georgia–Senate Democratic Leader Robert Brown? Former House Majority Leader/Chairman of the DPG/Current Chairman of the House Democratic Caucus Calvin Smyre? Michael Thurmond? Thurbert Baker? Shirley Franklin? John Lewis? Sanford Bishop…shall I keep going?)

    Only white people out of touch with the African-American community think that Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson are our leaders, or speak for us. Only y’all would think that our voice is not already diversified, with such leadership already mentioned at the local level and such national leaders as Barack Obama,

    Republicans offer the same old rhetoric to Blacks and think that if they dress it up in Black politicians like JC Watts or Herman Cain, Black people will accept it. That is as racist as assuming that if Democrats offer the same old rhetoric but in the shell of a white person, that white people should naturally come flocking to the party. Sound nonsensical? That’s because it is.

    Demonbeck, how many black elected Republicans do y’all have on the federal level? Two on the state level? (one ran unopposed). So don’t talk to me about Black leadership vs. White leadership. Come back and talk to me when conservative white districts start electing Black Republicans.

    Jace, you don’t have to state “black people are stupid.” I give you more credit than that. But you talk about us, and to us, like we are stupid. Republicans campaign on issues like the confederate flag and expect us not to notice. Black babies in South Carolina. Sonny’s rat video in 02 showed black person after black person, all of whom were depicted as poor, derelict, the symbol of Atlanta. And spend fifteen minutes over at the AJC blogs (or here, but less often) and tell me that the commenters don’t harbor serious prejudices. Tell me you think they’d be just fine if their white daughter brought home a black man, even if he was a Harvard-educated lawyer making six figures.

    I don’t think you guys are racists. I really don’t. And note I never called Jace or Demonbeck racists. But I do know that if you talk to black people with arrogance and condescent, you’re not going to get anywhere. And when you saying things like, “one day these black people will figure it out…” that’s exactly what you’re doing.

  13. mercergirl says:

    Eddie,

    I’m just wondering, are you black? And if so, what socio-economic status would you classify yourself? Sorry if that’s crossing a line or being too personal, but I am a firm beliver that socio-economic status determines many political beliefs.

    And no, I am not black, however I have many black friends who are Republican- none of them are below what I consider the wealthy socio-economic status. And that’s just a fact, it’s not racism.

  14. Demonbeck says:

    “as long as you are arrogant and condescending about the choices black people make as far as who to vote for, you will be received with tin ears.”

    Excuse me, but isn’t that exactly what Tyrone Brooks did?

    “Georgia–Senate Democratic Leader Robert Brown? Former House Majority Leader/Chairman of the DPG/Current Chairman of the House Democratic Caucus Calvin Smyre? Michael Thurmond? Thurbert Baker? Shirley Franklin? John Lewis? Sanford Bishop…shall I keep going?”

    First of all, you have got me on Robert Brown and current Chairman of the House Dem Caucus Smyre. Michael Thurmond, Thurbert Baker, Shirley Franklin, John Lewis and Sanford Bishop have little to no leadership within the Democratic party.
    Outside of Georgia, in the National Democratic Party, where are your African-American leaders? George W. Bush has appointed more minorities to Cabinet posts than any President ever. In other states, you have Ken Blackwell running for Governor of Ohio and Michael Steele in Maryland. I would argue that African-Americans have more opportunity in the Republican party today because the Democrats take them for granted.

  15. Demonbeck says:

    “Only white people out of touch with the African-American community think that Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson are our leaders, or speak for us. Only y’all would think that our voice is not already diversified, with such leadership already mentioned at the local level and such national leaders as Barack Obama,

    Republicans offer the same old rhetoric to Blacks and think that if they dress it up in Black politicians like JC Watts or Herman Cain, Black people will accept it. That is as racist as assuming that if Democrats offer the same old rhetoric but in the shell of a white person, that white people should naturally come flocking to the party. Sound nonsensical? That’s because it is.”

    Now here is the crux of the argument. Yes, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton don’t speak for all black people. Folks like Harold Ford Jr. and Barack Obama are more mainstream African-American leaders. Both are most definitely a step up from Jackson and Sharpton. As for leadership at the local level, I’ll leave Tyrone Brooks’ statements to speak towards that.

    Republicans’ as a whole are most definitely out of touch with African-Americans, but their message and their platform is most definitely not. The reason Republicans are out of touch with African-Americans though is because African-Americans who are openly republican are ostracized by folks like Brooks.

  16. Eddie T says:

    mercergirl,

    Yes, I’m black. I live comfortably. Middle-class. My parents are upper-class. I sure hope Republicans want more than just rich black people to vote for them. And I’m sure you, just like Stephen Colbert, have LOTS of black friends 😉

    Demonbeck,

    Find one place where I defended Tyrone Brooks. I’m thrilled with the Cynthia McKinney defeat. I wish I lived in her district so I could vote against her. My problem is with the rhetoric of white Republicans, both on this website and in political leadership, who have chosen the “once you figure out what’s good for you you’ll start voting Republican” line of argument in trying to woo black voters.

    And really? You’re going to argue that the two-time Mayor of the largest city in the Southeast and one of the Democratic Party’s most prolific fundraisers, who has had her name dropped for national office multiple times, even on this site….is not a leader in the Party? And John Lewis, the patriarch of our Congressional Delegation? Just last week people on this site were talking about how they just wish Cynthia McKinney were as effective as John Lewis. I could go on, but I’m just not sure what your standard is. I’ll take the elected leadership of these Democrats over George W. Bush’s token appointments any day of the week.

    Ken Blackwell running for Governor is a leader but longtime Congressman John Lewis isn’t?

    In any case, I’m not getting into a debate about semantics. I still don’t think you’ve even addressed the problems with the Republican Party that I’m addressing. It’s not just a matter of being out-of-touch, though so much is true. But as long as the Republicans are willing to continue using the issue of race (confederate flag, again…black babies in South Carolina…darkening the faces of black politicians in direct mail pieces, etc.) to get the votes of white conservative southern men, you’ll continue to lose with enormous margins among black voters. And as long as you do that, African-Americans (middle class, upper class, lower class, liberal, conservative, middle of the road) will continue to ostracize Black Republicans. Interestingly, my father is exactly the Republican target. Socially conservative, wealthy, college educated, and totally reasonable. Every time we talk politics, every argument I’m making here gets reinforced. He’s not going to vote for the likes of Sonny Perdue, even if it means more cash in his pocket, because he’s not going to vote for someone who would use racism to pick up votes among conservative white men in Georgia.

    We just tossed one of our race-baiters out of office. Will y’all do the same with Perdue in November?

  17. Demonbeck says:

    “he’s not going to vote for someone who would use racism to pick up votes among conservative white men in Georgia.”

    So he’s going to vote for Mark Taylor who has been wooing the flagger vote for years now? Give me a break.

    I can say nothing bad about John Lewis, but if he were truly the leader within the party that you say he is, he would have been considered for a leadership post or as a candidate for Governor.

    The only mayor to truly take status as a national leader in recent history is Rudy Giuliani. Other than that, you have that guy in San Francisco, Giuliani’s replacement, whichever Daley is running Chicago these days, the dude in DC and Shirley Franklin in Atlanta. The fact that I can recall only one of their names off the top of my head should tell you how national their status is.

    Face it, when it comes to leadership within the party, there is a glass ceiling for minorities in the Democratic Party. They pay lip service to minorities and trot them out on election years and then send them to the back of the bus.

  18. flamingmoderate says:

    I can’t believe I missed a discussion where funny-man-demonbeck actually brought up a good point. Mark that one down on the Calendar. Who do I begin with here…?

    Mercergirl–How you doin’?

    Demonbeck and Jace Walden–Aren’t the two of you in on the latest information? You can only be in touch with black people if you are black or if you are a democrat. Black republicans are not in touch with black people.

    EddieT–You are absolutely right in everything you post. Look at the national democratic party. Oh, wait, that would make you wrong! Do you actually think that people like Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Al Gore, Bill Clinton et. al. want to see black people “rise up”? NO. Because if government programs were taken away and lower income folk came to the realization that they can make it without uncle sam, there would be no democratic party. The democrats are dependant on a large group of people who are in a bad shape economically. It just so happens that many of these are black people. They are gonna milk it. They want to keep poor people poor so that their party can continue to be relevant.

    That is pretty damn condescending if you ask this flaming moderate.

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