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  1. buzzbrockway says:

    I understand that some district are more moderate than others, but these folks talking about how primary challenges are a bad thing is a bit much. More importantly, there should be some things ALL Republicans are united on, and some of these moderates seem to be more interested in sticking it to conservatives rather than getting the job done.

  2. MorganCoGOP says:

    I labled Isakson as a Moderate 2 years ago. That’s the reason why I didn’t support him then, and I’m not thrilled with him today. At least we can be proud of Senator Chambliss!

  3. Andrew says:

    I like the idea myself, aren’t we looking for a big tent within the Republican Party? And all Republicans are united on the key issues Buzz. The bedrock platform of the Republican Party is small government and conservative policy on fiscal issues

  4. jsm says:

    I worked for Collins in ’04 because Johnny was clearly a moderate. To Johnny’s credit, he has leaned more conservative in his voting record after hearing from his constituents.

    I understand that Republicans must be moderate in some places to get elected, but Georgia isn’t one of those places. I predict that Johnny will be one moderate Republican facing a primary challenger in ’10.

  5. rugby_fan says:

    I don’t consider myself a moderate, but when we say I can’t support somone (within your own party even) because they are too moderate, then you lose sight of the bigger picture and distract people from addressing issues that matter.

  6. RandyMiller says:

    Rugby_fan is right on! Because a republican candidate isn’t 100% to a conservative voters likings is how the other side wins elections. It’s unfortunate, but too many times some republicans forget this party was founded on the principles of liberty. And as John McCain said, “This is the party of Abraham Lincoln, not Bob Jones.”

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  8. Jace Walden says:

    The bedrock platform of the Republican Party is small government and conservative policy on fiscal issues

    This is true. However, it has NOT been the case with our current Republican Majority. Their “Bedrock Platform” has overseen the LARGEST EXPANSION OF THE FEDERAL BEAURACRACY IN UNITED STATES HISTORY. It has over seen RECORD spending, a RECORD deficit, and an inability to accomplish ANYTHING.

    Besides the Bush Tax Cuts, our Congress has been completely impotent.

    –No solution to immigration
    –Failure to repeal the death tax
    –Failure to halt Bush’s assault on the U.S. Constitution
    –Failure to Secure our Borders
    –Failure to Privatize Social Security
    –Failure to Dump our Public Education System

    Failure after failure after failure. In fact, they have gotten so GOOD at failing, that the only thing left for us to be proud of was the fact that they FAILED to raise the minimum wage. At least one of their failures was for the best.

    How does this relate to Good Ole Saxby and Isakson? They were a part of this failure. They have failed to produce any significant changes. Anything they have proposed has been a direct result of massive public outcry (Secure Borders First Ideas), not because it was the Conservative or right thing to do.

    Now, I fully believe that the only hope for this country is the Republican Party. But as long as Republicans are content with mediocrity (George W. Bush, Senator Bill Frist, Dennis Hastert), that hope continues to dwindle.

  9. rugby_fan says:

    and “the bigger picture” is not moving to the center.

    “The bigger picture” is making sure that Americans start to think with a level head when dealing with politics.

    It’s about making sure that we find that [expletives deleted] Osama bin Laden and castrate him, making sure we don’t have another terroist attack, we make sure we can leave Iraq as a safe, funtioning, democratic country, that we can prevent global warming, that we can ensure being the greatest most powerful nation on Earth as long as I live. These are issues that transcend ideology.

    If we have to move to the center, fine. If we have to elect 535 Dems to Congress, fine. If we have to elect 535 GOP to Congress, fine.

    But I don’t like it when we resort to saying “too liberal” or “too moderate”. No one, and no one party, has all the answers to our issues.

  10. rugby_fan says:

    I’ve met Hastert. He *is* incompetent.

    But I do think that right now, we are truly at one of our lowest points politically. I can’t think of anyother time where we have had such a paucity of good candidates and good political thinkers who have intellectual honesty.

    Look at the best columnists and politicians, they are either:
    A) Old, or
    B) labeled as an “old style”

  11. pathfinder says:

    Some of you guys need to grow up. This organization is simply a sign of the maturing of the Republican party into a true right/center majority party in this country — and this state. As Andrew expressed, “the bedrock platform of the Republican Party is small government and conservative policy on fiscal issues.” Within this broad philosophy the GOP needs to be tolerant of differences on various social and environmental policy concerns.

    As the Georgia GOP establishes itself as the majority party in the state, we are seeing more middle of the road voters coming into our primaries and voting. As a result, the candidate who can project the bigger right/center tent is becoming more successful. It happened in the Isaakson race in 2004 and in both the Handel and Cagle races this year. All of these successful candidates reached out to both ends of our party spectrum and whipped the Hell out of their opponents who insisted on clinging to the right edge of the party.

    An interesting question is who are the up and comers who are similarly taking a broad view. They are the future of the GOP in this state.

  12. CHelf says:

    You have to look at the South from this perspective. Most of the GOP in the south is converted Southern Democrats (conservative on social issues and moderate on fiscal issues – ie Farm Bill) and transplanted Northern retirees (fiscally moderate to conservative and socially liberal to moderate). Running statewide in any southern state requires someone who is a moderate Republican or one who clearly is conservative but not empassioned on “my way or the highway”.

  13. rugby_fan says:

    pathfinder,

    I think its a little premature to say this is what it will take to continually win in the south.

    moreover, your are ignoring other lurking variables that can (and did) affect campaigns in recent cycles.

  14. Maurice Atkinson says:

    Jace, I think you are somewhat correct. Our majority was attained on the platform of rooting out corruption (remember the house banking scandal, Rostenkowski, etc. etc.), reducing the size and scope of government, and empowering free enterprise.

    Was it good rhetoric or good policy? I think both. However, it seems as if once we achieved majority status we simply enjoyed too much the perks of the status quo. I agree with what Ralph Reed spoke about in his stump speeches that government shoud do some things well, then get out of the way. Our Federal legislators didn’t get the buy in, into this philosophy.

    Current polling suggests we’re going to face serious defeat in the fall elections due to our own arrogance. In May, one prominent pollster, indicated we are facing a Tsunami in November if we don’t get back to a conservative agenda. The problem is, do we trust our leadership enough even if they do adopt a conservative agenda? I am not so sure our leadership quite gets it, but I hope they do.

  15. pathfinder says:

    Rugy_fan:

    String together enough “lurking variables” and you’ve got a full fledged trend on your hand. Time will tell. I note, however, that you provided no examples suggesting a counter view.

  16. rugby_fan says:

    pathfinder:

    “As the Georgia GOP establishes itself as the majority party in the state, we are seeing more middle of the road voters coming into our primaries and voting”

    You have two, and only two, election cycles to show the GOP becoming a majority party in GA.

    In ’02, Barnes pissed a bunch of people off. He lost his teacher support, he pissed of and motivated flaggers in south ga, those cost him the election. Ergo, first GA Governor in 100+ years.

    In ’04, you had Terry Coleman bring up the stupidest of all issues, and the one which sunk the GA Dems in the house. Let us not forget that 04 was a banner year for Republicans nationwide because of Kerry. There was a poor Senate candidate from the Dems side which meant that the top two names on the Dem ballot were not going to help any Dems in GA.

    I just think its too early to say that moderates make a difference in the political parties in GA. And as I’ve said before, both GOP and Dems are becoming quite hostile to moderates.

  17. Demonbeck says:

    Does anyone else find a Bill Simon post in a thread named “Snide Jackassery” somewhat redundant or is it just me?

  18. Andrew says:

    Good ne Demon.

    I am glad this post has brought on this discussion as more and more Georgia voters come to the Republican party we must hold on to our conservative ideas, but not ban people from the tent for not passing a litmus test. Ask Ralph Reed and his followers how well that worked.

  19. Bill Simon says:

    And here I was feeling good this morning that Stephens got his ass whooped, and Demon has to come along and takeover my previous job of being a snide jackass. Whatever floats his boat.

  20. joelsbeetch says:

    I read a comment over on the Political Insider blog congratulating Sen. David Shafer on his victories with Sen. Cagle and Sec of State nominee Karen Handel. I think his influence on these elections also shows the elevation of the more moderate end of the party.

    I hope Sen. Shafer is rewarded for his strong stand for Cagle and Handel. It would be great if he could lead the Senate and remove some of the crazy folks who are now in charge. Shafer is a strong leader for the party and I am glad he is now in a position to have a strong inpact in Atlanta.

  21. Snide Jackasses?

    I view these folks as what used to be known as ‘normal republicans’.

    Many years ago I used to consider myself a republican . . . . That was before the ‘conservatives’ took the party over.

  22. Brian from Ellijay says:

    I think we have a great team lined up for November and that our current Senate leadership have been a tremendous asset to securing our ticket. Thank you for your leadership Eric, Tommy and the rest of the Chairman. We support you.

    Brian Laurens

  23. Bull Moose says:

    First off, Johnny Isakson is a great Georgia leader. He has demonstrated tremendous wisdom with his stance on immigration reform. It’s the right policy for our country to secure our borders first.

    Senator Johnny Isakson is a common sense main street leader that we can all be proud to support.

    As for the stateside, I think that congratulations need to be extended to Senator Casey Cagle, Chip Pearson, Jeff Mullis, David Shafer, Bill Hamrick, and others who have stuck their neck out there and been victorious.

  24. jsm says:

    Johnny was elected in ’04 because he was the first one in the race, he had the most money, and he had the best name recognition.

    His record on Pork alone has been far from stellar. Same for Saxby.

    As Republicans, we have got to move from talking about fiscal responsibility to living by it in Washington.

  25. Jace Walden says:

    Bull,

    Since you are so enthralled by Isakson, would you care to name anything he did to prevent illegal immigration or to secure our borders BEFORE it became such a hot topic? He had plenty of time, but accomplished nothing. Get over him.

  26. rugby_fan says:

    I would say since the Zell left, we’ve had exactly 0 good senators in DC.

    But, now that CM is no more, I would say that all of our Reps are doing a swell job. Except when they forget the 10 commandments. That aint too cool.

  27. Know Nothing says:

    Rugby_Fan:

    The more I read your posts, the more I believe you must be in high school. How do you define a “good Senator?” Making a blanket statement like “we have 0 good senators in DC” without anything to back up your statement, makes me wonder what business you have discussing politics with your intellectual superiors.

  28. rugby_fan says:

    Georgia doesnt have a single senator without a damn thing to show for their time in DC.

    If you can tell me why I should change my opinion about either of our two Senators without platitudes like “they are rock solid conservatives” then I will listen.

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