54 comments

  1. whitemalevoters says:

    Demonbeck,

    White male voters everywhere APPLAUD YOU for your willingness to sacrifice your dignity and integrity to support the only TRUE white male voter left in the race–Bill Stephens!

    Stephens ’06

  2. techtrack says:

    demonbeck,
    interesting that you paraphrase the attack on handel’s husband for your front page post.

  3. Demonbeck says:

    Thanks…I think.

    Now would you folks get off Erick’s back about this being an anti-Stephens site?

  4. Demonbeck says:

    This is not an attack on Karen’s husband.

    I am bringing up the fact that Handel supported gay marriage to get elected in Fulton and has now run away from those comments to get elected statewide. What that tells me is that she will sell out her values for personal gain.

  5. Michael C says:

    What a choice we have to make. Handel selling out her values for personal gain and Stephens’ ethics violations which were levied by the office he now seeks.

    Its the lesser of 2 evils argument again.

  6. techtrack says:

    demonbeck,
    i’m just pointing out that the stephens camp attacked handel’s husband with adam & eve not adam & steve. you changed it to karen & steve.

    where and when did handel support gay marriage?

  7. CobbGOPer says:

    This questionnare again. Has anyone been able to produce a signature with this ‘questionnare’? NO. So it’s about as official as toilet paper.

    Besides, all this hubub and bluster on the blogs and from Stephens’ camp is just the desperate bellows of a failed campaign. I’d like to know who Bill got to do his ads and radio this time, cause I didn’t hear one ad on any news talk station. Probably just placed ads on Christian stations, I bet, trying once again to shamelessly use lies to convince people of faith that Karen is not one of them.

    Doesn’t matter anymore, this thing is way over, and Stephens has not done enough to pick up more votes. He’s done.

    Handel by 10%

  8. JRM2016 says:

    I am so glad there is only 33 hours of this insanity left. I want to know if Tammi, Brian et al will be supporting the nominee of the GOP for this position.

    This attack has been knocked down many times, starting with the first televised debate in this race.

    Handel ’06

  9. Philly says:

    What did Bill Stephens promise the flag group?

    http://spofga.org/elections/2006/run_off/republican_primary_runoff.php

    Based upon direct communication with Bill Stephens and a member of our Executive Committee we are revising our earlier recommendation. We are recommending support for Bill Stephens in the Secretary of State office

    Secretary of State – Bill Stephens

    Karen Handel is too closely tied to the Perdue, best Democrat, the Republicans can find program to be a good Secretary of State. In fact should Karen Handel be elected we can expect the same level of non interest in our issues as under Cathy Cox. Bill Stephens is a much better choice and worth voting for. Please do so on August 8.

  10. Maurice Atkinson says:

    This dialogue is repugnant. Karen and Steve are excellent people. This is nothing more than slinging trash from the bottom of the dumpster. Karen has been an effective Commission Chairman rooting out corruption and cronyism. Her work as a Conservative Republican is commendable.

    I happen to like both the Handels and Bill Stephens. Bill is personable and has been effective as a legislator. He is friendly, humorous and a genuinely good man. He has successes and failures in his own right.

    This election is about selecting a nominee for one of the most key positions in state government. What draws me to Karen is her pro-active ability to use her executive capacity to build a more effective and lean government, which is undeniable in Fulton County. This race has nothing to do with being gay or straight, ethnicity, gender or any other characteristic other than being effective at the job.

    I am quite satisfied with Karen’s conservative credentials, her platform and her capability.

  11. Tater Tate says:

    I have laughed every time I have seen a Handel mail piece. She attacks Stephens for being a former Democrat while she has her picture with Sonny plastered everywhere. So Handel’s working for a Republican who is a former Democrat is ok, but Stephens working for Zell is somehow a crime against Republicans everywhere. Give me a break. She has run a nasty campaign.

    We know Stephens record since he ran as a Republican and in part it is a Republican majority. Thanks Bill. You have my vote.

  12. John Konop says:

    Demonbeck,

    You think gay people should have no legal rights ?

    What is your solution with gay people ?

    What does this have to do with the SOS job?

    Oh I forgot your not big on details.

    I like Karen and Bill , but if this is your key issue around the SOS job you need help!!

  13. Demonbeck says:

    John,

    As usual you don’t get the point.

    This is not about Karen Handel’s support for gay marriage. This is about her willingness to sell her values for personal gain. She said she was for gay marriage to get elected in Fulton and now she is saying she is against it to get elected statewide.

    Perhaps if you had taken the time to read previous posts, you would have seen that.

  14. John Konop says:

    You can be against gay marriage and for gay people having legal rights.

    So what is your solution ?

    Do you think gay people should have no legal rights if so why?

  15. Demonbeck says:

    I think Karen Handel has the right to be for gay marriage or against it. I also believe that Georgia voters should have the right to expect our candidates to hold firm on their views.

  16. Demonbeck says:

    My views on this subject aren’t in question, John. I am not running for office. If I were, I would state my views and stick with them.

    Karen Handel, on the other hand, seems willing to change her views depending on whether her audience agrees with her at the moment. I expect a person with a strong backbone who can stand up for what they believe in – whether it is popular or not. I have not seen that in Karen Handel.

  17. Decaturguy says:

    Excuse me, but when did Karen Handel say she supports gay marriage? Based on this document, I’m not even sure that she’s even committing to domestic partnership benefits (essentially all that does is allow a partner access to health insurance benefits, which the government employee would be taxed for unlike the tax free benefits that would be given to a spouse). But even if she did support such, domestic partnership benefits (as limited as they are) is a pretty mainstream idea. Almost all of the Fortune 500 companies located in Georgia offer them, as do dozens of Georgia counties and municipalities.

    So, it seems to me Demonbeck, that you are the one who is not in the mainstream on this issue, it seems.

  18. John Konop says:

    Demonbeck,
    If one is against gay marriage but for gay people having legal rights that is a “view”. If you disagree with that “view you must against gay people having legal rights. So why not be a man and tell us why you are against gay people having legal rights?

    If you cannot answer the question or you agree with Karen that would make you a……..

  19. Demonbeck says:

    As I have stated twice previously in this thread, this is not about Karen’s support (or lack thereof) of gay marriage or other so-called “gay” issues.  This is about Karen Handel flip-flopping in order to gain more votes statewide. 

    Demonbeck said,
    August 7, 2006 @ 9:20 am · Edit

    “she will sell out her values for personal gain. ”

    Either she is lying about how she truly feels on these issues now or she was when she ran for Fulton County Chair – just so she could get elected.  The Southern Voice article also points out that Karen is flip-flopping.

    Knowing this, how can an informed voter know when Karen Handel is telling the truth?

  20. Demonbeck says:

    I am not avoiding the question John, I am merely sticking to the subject of the thread.

    I’ll tell you how I feel about all of the so-called “gay” issues when there is a thread discussing them.

  21. Philly says:

    i am against gays be given class protection.

    i support Handel and understand why she said she would have an open ear or listen to gay constiuents. She was in Fulton County for goodness sakes. She promised them nothing except to listen. What is wrong w ith that?

  22. John Konop says:

    The subject is, you are saying that if Karen is against gay marriage and for gay people having legal rights that she is a “sell-out”. And you keep avoiding the question of should gay people have legal rights. If you think they should have legal rights , than this would be a personal attack by you. If you do not think gay people should have legal rights than you would have a point. In fact if you read the Souther Voice that was the point they made. They said any support like civil unions…. is the same as gay marriage. So be a man and answer the question.

    This is not about class protection. This is a simple question should gay people have legal rights if not why?

  23. Demonbeck says:

    “The subject is, you are saying that if Karen is against gay marriage and for gay people having legal rights that she is a “sell-out.”

    I am sorry, you are right, because it wasn’t me actually posting this thread in the first place. It was you. Obviously, that is why you know exactly what I was thinking when I posted it in the first place.

    Again, John, to me, this issue has nothing to do with her stance on any of the “gay rights” issues and everything to do with her changing her positions because the demographics have changed. I would rather support someone who has the courage of conviction and will stand up for their beliefs – no matter how unpopular they may be.

    Who knows? I may even agree with Handel on this issue, if she were to ever admit her actual stance on it.

  24. Demonbeck says:

    Then again, how would I know if she were telling the truth or just saying what I wanted to hear?

  25. John Konop says:

    Demonbeck,

    If you read what you posted, it seems clear she is for gay people having legal rights. I do not see her saying she supports gay marriage.Unless you go by the post you put up by Southervoice. They point out(Southernvoice) if you support legal rights of gay people than you cannot be against gay marriage.

    You may not agree with the “stance” of against gay marriage and for legal rights , but this is a “view”.

    Once again if you support the Souternvoice “view” of the issue you would have a point. But if you do not this is a personal attack. Without understanding your “view” how would we know if this was not a personal attack? So be a man and answer the question. Should gay people have legal rights if not why? And what is Bill Stevens “view” on the issue?

  26. Demonbeck says:

    John Konop said,
    August 7, 2006 @ 1:10 pm

    “If you read what you posted, it seems clear she is for gay people having legal rights.”

    Ahh, but that is where you are wrong, John. The following is from Karen’s campagin website…

    “In spite of pressure from the media and liberal special interest groups and constituents, Karen Handel supported the state constitutional amendment prohibiting gay marriage. She opposes the creation of civil unions for same sex couples believing this is a slippery slope that diminishes the importance of the traditional marriage. While Chairman of the Fulton County Commission, Karen Handel has spoken out against Domestic Partner Benefits. Karen Handel also opposes gay adoption and strongly believes that any decisions be based solely on the best interest of the child. Karen believes that the best interest of the child in adoptions is always served by placing that child into the home of a married husband and wife whenever possible.”

    If Karen Handel is so willing to sell out her views for political gain, how can an enlightened voter take her campaign promises seriously?

  27. John Konop says:

    Demonbeck,

    karen was talking about financial issues in your first post. Nothing I read that you posted here have anything to do with health-care, power of atty………. So you are again avoiding the issue. Do you think gay people should have legal rights ie power of atty…….? We are not talking about adoption……… Come on be a man answer the question. And tell what is Bill’s “view” on the issue?

  28. debbie0040 says:

    I believe that gay couples should be able to give power of attorney for their partner to make life or death decisions for them in the event they are unable to.

    I believe any couple should the right to do that, not just gay couples. I do not believe special rights should be accorded gays.

  29. Overincorporated Fulton says:

    This is insane. If this is the straw that the Stephens campaign is grasping at, I’d hate to see the rest of their strategy. All that is indicated by this questionnaire is that Karen Handel wouldn’t have gay constituents ejected from her office for voicing their concerns. It says nothing about gay marriage, so even though Demonbeck says that’s not what this is about, he should stop charging her with supporting it.

    Next of all, what in the name of everything sensible does the SOS job have to do with gay marriage? I think it has a heck of a lot to do with ethics, with Bill Stephens obviously does not possess in large quantities. So, in choosing between a conservative with terrible ethics credentials or a moderate with impeccable ethics credentials, whom do you Republicans choose?

    I don’t really have time for this…I’ve got to choose between Gail Buckner and Darryl Hicks. Oh, the humanity.

  30. John Konop says:

    Demonbeck,

    I could be wrong but I think I heard Ralph Reed say he supported gay people having rights like power of atty…….. Would that make you right of Ralph Reed on social issues?

  31. Demonbeck says:

    Overincorporated Fulton,

    My comments should in no way be construed as the strategy of the Stephens campaign. I am, in no way, affiliated with Senator Stephens campaign other than with my vote.

    This is just one of the reasons I am supporting Bill Stephens over Karen Handel.

  32. John Konop says:

    Demonbeck,

    You said,
    “This is just one of the reasons I am supporting Bill Stephens over Karen Handel”.

    No one can figure out what you are talking about ?

    Do you support Bill over Karen because she supports letting gay people have rights like power of atty?

    Do you think that if gay people have any rights that is the same as gay marriage ?

    Do you think you can be against gay marriage and for giving gay people rights like power of atty…….?

  33. Demonbeck says:

    John Konop said, “No one can figure out what you are talking about?”

    1.Demonbeck said,
    August 7, 2006 @ 9:20 am

    This is not an attack on Karen’s husband.

    I am bringing up the fact that Handel supported gay marriage to get elected in Fulton and has now run away from those comments to get elected statewide. What that tells me is that she will sell out her values for personal gain.

    2.Demonbeck said,
    August 7, 2006 @ 10:49 am

    John,

    As usual you don’t get the point.

    This is not about Karen Handel’s support for gay marriage. This is about her willingness to sell her values for personal gain. She said she was for gay marriage to get elected in Fulton and now she is saying she is against it to get elected statewide.

    3.Demonbeck said,
    August 7, 2006 @ 11:07 am

    I think Karen Handel has the right to be for gay marriage or against it. I also believe that Georgia voters should have the right to expect our candidates to hold firm on their views.

    4.Demonbeck said,
    August 7, 2006 @ 11:20 am

    My views on this subject aren’t in question, John. I am not running for office. If I were, I would state my views and stick with them.

    Karen Handel, on the other hand, seems willing to change her views depending on whether her audience agrees with her at the moment. I expect a person with a strong backbone who can stand up for what they believe in – whether it is popular or not. I have not seen that in Karen Handel.

    5.Demonbeck said,
    August 7, 2006 @ 11:43 am

    As I have stated twice previously in this thread, this is not about Karen’s support (or lack thereof) of gay marriage or other so-called “gay

  34. John Konop says:

    Demonbeck,

    You keep saying she is for gay marriage. Yet your proof is she agreed that gay people should have rights like power of atty…..And than some how ,because she is against gay adoption you said she flip-flops.

    And you other proof is an article that says if you are for giving any rights to gay people that means you are for gay marriage.

    So one would assume Karen is against gay marriage but for gay people having rights like power of atty…..

    Using logic , one can only assume you most think that if you support any rights for gay people you think that is the same as gay marriage.If not you are attacking karen on a personal level.

    Why not be a man and say why you think giving rights to gay people is the same as gay marriage or admit you were wrong and say you are sorry to Karen Handel.

    3.Demonbeck said,
    August 7, 2006 @ 11:07 am

    I think Karen Handel has the right to be for gay marriage or against it. I also believe that Georgia voters should have the right to expect our candidates to hold firm on their views

  35. techtrack says:

    i’ll focus on stephens ‘platform” and give you another view about saying anything to get elected.

    bill stephens – “i’ll throw cmac in jail.” the sos has not arrest powers.
    in handel’s plan you’ll see that she proposes creating a inspector general in the sos office and have roving teams to respond to problem areas. those teams would gather the appropriate documentation so that cmac could be arrested for her antics. they would also stop cynthia from intimidating poll workers into illegally keeping polls open past closing time.

    bill stephens – “i support english only ballots.” the federal voter rights act states in certain cases that you have to provide multi-lingual ballots. stephens cant change that

    bill stephens – “i will propose a state constitutional amendment to require voter id.” both federal and state courts had a problem with the voter id bill. a state constitutional amendment can’t over turn a federal issue.

    the stephens sound bites sound good, but the reality is that he can’t do anything about his sound bites.

  36. flamingmoderate says:

    Konop,

    For the love of all that is holy, give it a damn rest. 1/4 (25%) of the comments on this thread have been you asking the same damn question over and over. Look, I’ve had my arguments with Demonbeck in the past, but at least we got somewhere. He always came around and saw things my way. 🙂

    It’s none of your damn business how he feels about gay marriage. Even if he wanted to tell you, it would still have NOTHING to do with the subject of this post. He’s simply pointing out his opinion that Handel changed positions on the issue. This post was NEVER about whether or not Demonbeck is for/against gay marriage. Give it a rest.

  37. John Konop says:

    flamingmoderate,

    You say,
    “He’s simply pointing out his opinion that Handel changed positions on the issue”

    Show me something in his post that says she is for gay marriage ?

    My point is simple if he cannot do that , a real man would say he is sorry to Karren.

    As I said I like Bill and Karen.But if Demonbeck cannot defend his post it was a personal attack end of story.

  38. techtrack says:

    demonbeck,
    i do understand your point about handel “changing positions”. the challenge that you have when you make the point taht you stated handel was for gay marriage, when in fact, handel has never been for gay marriage. she is on the record a number times stating that marriage is between a man and a women.

    if your arguemnt is based on the information in the questionaire, then one could agree with you, if they believe the questionaire is true.

  39. flamingmoderate says:

    Konop,

    The GA Equity survey is what he was referring to. There is dispute about whether or not Handel actually filled it out. I am of the opinion that she didn’t. Demonbeck is of the opinion that she did.

    It was not a personal attack, Konop. He was simply offering speculation on what we all have to agree is a peculiar circumstance. Now please, drop it!

    BTW, if you ask me the same question you just asked me again, don’t expect any more dialouge.

  40. CobbGOPer says:

    It’s rediculous to base your opinion on that questionnare. As numerous people have pointed out before, the document posted on this site is:

    1. A pdf scan of a fax (I do work with desktop publishing software, this kind of stuff is easily manipulated, ask Dan Rather, who lost his job over doctored documents regarding Dubya’s military service)

    2. The first two pages of the fax are missing, we have no idea what was on those pages and Bill doesn’t seem to want to show them to us.

    3. There is NO SIGNATURE. I’ve stated before that I’ve done alot of work for political candidates and have helped fill out numerous questionnare forms, and they ALL have sigature pages to authenticate that the document was actually filled out by the candidate. NO SIGNATURE = NOT OFFICIAL.

    Demonbeck, if you were to take Karen Handel to court to attempt to prove that this ‘document’ is an accurate reflection of her ‘real’ or ‘previous’ views on the subject, a first-year law student would blow holes in your case in five minutes.

    You are basing your comments and your opinion of Karen as a ‘flip-flopper’ on a document that cannot be proven to be true, not even in a court of law. Therefore your decision to vote against her is based on…. NOTHING.

  41. Bull Moose says:

    This post is absolutely disgusting and I am shocked that DemonBeck would stoop to this level.

    DemonBeck, you are better than this, but you’ve really dissapointed me.

    Shame on you.

  42. Maurice Atkinson says:

    The problem is simple. People don’t understand the difference between politics and governance. To be quite frank, the questionaire if it were her submission is not terribly disturbing. The questionaire is pretty explicit that she does not favor “special rights” but the ability to find solutions within the law. Now please tell me how this is wrong?

    Government should be fair and equitable for all people. I believe some wise individual once penned some words that we hold pretty sacred, “We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights…”

    Karen upheld the law, which should be the benchmark for any office holder. This dialogue of interjecting fear into a campaign is unsettling to me. I agree with one of the previous posters. If this is all a pundit has to offer….

  43. Demonbeck says:

    Maurice,

    You are correct in saying that government should be fair and equitable for all people and the individual was indeed wise when he penned those immortal words. However, your post merely amounts to an eloquent way to change the subject.

    Your first statement is true. The problem is simple. Karen Handel said one thing to get elected in Fulton and is now saying another to get elected statewide. How can an informed voter know when she is telling the truth and when she is lying if she is so willing to switch positions based upon the audience?

    techtrack,

    You are correct. I lazily wrote “gay marriage” instead of listing each of the so-called “gay issues” she supported in the survey and now opposes – for that I apologize to Karen Handel.

    The proof of her flip-flopping on these issues is still valid though and should be weighed by each and every voter today.

  44. John Konop says:

    Demonbeck,

    You just apologized for falsely attacking Karen handel about gay marriage.

    You said,

    “You are correct. I lazily wrote “gay marriage

  45. Demonbeck says:

    John,

    I called the post, “A Conservative SoS Georgians Can Trust.” Thank you very much.

    I never responded to your posts because you were trying to take the thread off subject – just like you always do.

    This thread is and has always been about Karen Handel’s willingness to switch positions on a subject in order to appease her audience.

  46. John Konop says:

    Demombeck,

    Nice try , but when you admit the facts you used to make the statement is WRONG, all bets are off. And then when you play games when called on the carpet and apologize sounded like a 6 year old, one can only wonder your true reason for the post.

    Remember you said,

    “This thread is and has always been about Karen Handel’s willingness to switch positions on a subject in order to appease her audience”

    And then you said,

    “You are correct. I lazily wrote “gay marriage

  47. Demonbeck says:

    John,

    I seriously have no clue what goes on in that head of yours between reading and comprehending. I have explained this to you time and again on a number of issues. I do believe that I am currently the only poster who will still readily debate with you on these boards.

    Well, that is now over. I am done regurgitating my point over and over with you.

    Karen Handel switched positions on this subject in order to appease her audience.

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