What Happens to the Winner?

It goes without saying that Reed-Cagle has been the most contentious race in Georgia this year. So, to all of you who have staked out your territory in this primary competition (and to the 15% or 41%, depending on whether you believe the Strategic Vision or the IA poll, who haven’t), here’s a question: What happens if your man (Reed or Cagle) loses? Will you support the party’s nominee, and vote for them in November, or are you dead-set enough against Reed or Cagle that you will abstain from voting for Lt. Gov this fall–or even vote for the opposition party?

38 comments

  1. Michael C says:

    I believe Ralph Reed represents everything that needs to be changed in the GOP. For that I can not support him if he wins in the general. He does conservatives, nor the party anygood by winning.

  2. jsm says:

    I am a Republican, but not so loyal that I will blindly support someone who will bring scandal to Georgia and the GAGOP. If Reed were to win, I would face a serious dilemma. I will not vote for a liberal democrat.

    I hope I’m not facing this dilemma on July 19th. I really believe that I won’t.

  3. Rusty Paw says:

    Great question from another blog follows below. I’d also like to ask, and this could go on the front page, “How many of these five year olds do you think Ralph/Casey could take?” Should the candidate who can take on the most five year olds be considered the de-facto winner of this race?

    Erick, I’ll let you decide if this is front-page worthy.

    Good drunken debate from a few nights ago.

    The question: How many 5 year-olds could you take on at once?

    The specifics:

    – You are in an enclosed area, roughly the size of a basketball court. There are no foreign objects.
    – You are not allowed to touch a wall.
    – When you are knocked unconscious, you lose. When they are all knocked unconscious, they lose. Once a kid is knocked unconscious, that kid is “out.”
    – I (or someone else intent on seeing to it you fail) get to choose the kids from a pool that is twice the size of your magic number. The pool will be 50/50 in terms of gender and will have no discernable abnormalities in terms of demographics, other than they are all healthy Americans.
    – The kids receive one day of training from hand-to-hand combat experts who will train them specifically to team up to take down one adult. You will receive one hour of “counter-tactics” training.
    – There is no protective padding for any combatant other than the standard-issue cup.
    * The kids are motivated enough to not get scared, regardless of the bloodshed. Even the very last one will give it his/her best to take you down.

    I set my magic number at 30, but upon reflection, I think I could take on a few more. How many could you take on?

    For responses visit:

    http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=1556673&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=9&o=14&vc=1

  4. Rusty Paw says:

    Here is a question from another blog, it follows below. I’d also like to ask, and this could go on the front page, “How many of these five year olds do you think Ralph/Casey could take?” Should the candidate who can take on the most five year olds be considered the de-facto winner of this race?

    Erick, I’ll let you decide if this is front-page worthy.

    Good drunken debate from a few nights ago.

    The question: How many 5 year-olds could you take on at once?

    The specifics:

    – You are in an enclosed area, roughly the size of a basketball court. There are no foreign objects.
    – You are not allowed to touch a wall.
    – When you are knocked unconscious, you lose. When they are all knocked unconscious, they lose. Once a kid is knocked unconscious, that kid is “out.”
    – I (or someone else intent on seeing to it you fail) get to choose the kids from a pool that is twice the size of your magic number. The pool will be 50/50 in terms of gender and will have no discernable abnormalities in terms of demographics, other than they are all healthy Americans.
    – The kids receive one day of training from hand-to-hand combat experts who will train them specifically to team up to take down one adult. You will receive one hour of “counter-tactics” training.
    – There is no protective padding for any combatant other than the standard-issue cup.
    * The kids are motivated enough to not get scared, regardless of the bloodshed. Even the very last one will give it his/her best to take you down.

    I set my magic number at 30, but upon reflection, I think I could take on a few more. How many could you take on?

    For responses visit:

    http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=1556673&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=9&o=14&vc=1

  5. Booray says:

    Would not vote for a Dem, but would have some pretty big heartburn voting for Reed. Probably sit on my hands.

  6. Chris says:

    I think the next Lt Gov will be decided on July 18th. Should Reed or Cagle win, we all (well, all Republicans that is) need to get out there and re-elect Sonny Perdue. If Reed does win, our job will be that much harder.

    So to answer your questions, yes, I’ll defend the man from Democratic attacks, however I might just skip over that box on election day. I won’t vote for the Democrat and the Libertarian is a crackpot.

  7. rugby_fan says:

    what if the democratic nominee is the conservative Rufus Terrill? Just sayin…what if…

  8. Demonbeck says:

    If Reed wins, I will vote for Andre Bauer – Republican candidate for Lieutenant Governor. He’d be less of an embarassment to our state.

  9. jacewalden says:

    If Reed wins, I’ll leave it blank. A vote for Reed is a vote for everything that is wrong in politics these days. It’s a vote for the lies, the corruption, and the arrogance of every politician who has abandoned his electorate for money and power.

    CAGLE ’06!

  10. GAWire says:

    Wow, Jeff … that is a tough, but great question. It is tough for me personally. I am a stickler for voting. I think of voting not as a right, but a duty. I think it is something that people like you, and others that came before you fought for. Voting is what our Republic depends upon, in order for there to be equality and leadership.

    With that being said, I personally know that there is absolutely NO WAY that I could ever vote for Ralph Reed. There is no way I could ever vote for Bill Clinton, not because he is a Democrat, but because of what I know about him and his past, much of which hasn’t been proven in court, but we all know there are realistic questions. I feel the same about Ralph Reed, who happens to be a Republican, and happens to be someone I agree with on many policies. However, I cannot, in good conscience, support him because of his character, his lack of ethics, and most importantly his lack of leadership and experience. Moreover, I can’t support him from a strategic point of view, because I think that his past questionable activities pose a threat to the long-term success of the GOP in Georgia and at the national level.

    I will go to vote in November no matter what, but I will not vote for Ralph Reed if he is on that ballot.

  11. debbie0040 says:

    I will work hard for Cagle and whole heartedly support him if he wins without hesitation. Either Cagle or Reed are better than what the Dems have to offer.

    I am a die hard Bama fan. My nephew is a die hard Auburn fan. We argue intensely on weekends during football season as to who has the best team and cheer for each other’s team to lose. After the Saturday game is over, we are family again…

    I hope it is that way with you guys after the June 18th Primary…Shame on you if it isn’t…

  12. northside elephant says:

    I cannot support Ralph Reed in any way. I worked very hard to help him win GAGOP Chair and I regret that.

  13. northside elephant says:

    There is nothing wrong with skipping over one of the Republicans on the general ballot if you have a serious moral problem with the candidate.

  14. Jeff Emanuel says:

    Debbie, your response was one I was looking forward to seeing from the Reed side, as you have previously said that Cagle is “always trying to mislead,” have called him a “coward…who will cave in under pressure and does not like to make waves” as well as “basically a worthless piece of excrement,” have criticized his “lack of a backbone and lack of ethics,” and have said “If you are planning on voting for Cagle, then YOU support a candidate that is corrupt,” as well as “Cagle has had experience feathering his own nest while serving the taxpayers. Cagle has had experience caving in under pressure. I don’t want that kind of experience representing me.” (That was just in your comments on one post on this blog.) It’s just interesting to me to see folks who are willing to maintain this level of rhetoric in a primary, but who will then willingly support the nominee even if it is their man’s primary opponent.

  15. debbie0040 says:

    The State Senators wrote a letter asking Reed not to run but they will back him when wins. It is called being a good Republican. In politics, you have to have a thick skin and learn not to take anything personally.

    Cox and Taylor are slitting each others throats now, but after the nominee is chosen the one that does not win will support the one that does. Such is the nature of politics.

    As I have said, Cagle or Reed are better than anyone the Dems have. I have real issues with Cagle but would have even greater issues with the Dem nominee.

    As far as the rhetoric, wait until a week after July 18th primary is over. It will be a GOP lovefest. We will then be directing our ire at the Dems and be united…Cagle and his supporters created the hostile rhetoric, I just fought back in like manner..

  16. Bill B. says:

    No way. As far as I’m concerned, he’s a Democrat. He’s in bed with the liberal media, doesn’t act like a Republican, and has run the most negative campaign I’ve ever seen.

  17. Bull Moose says:

    I am confident that Casey Cagle will win the primary on July 18 and I will gladly work for him to win the general in November.

    I honestly and sincerely do not believe that Georgians will elect someone with so much ethical baggage as Ralph Reed. Ralph Reed needs to clear his name before he thinks of serving in an office of public trust.

  18. jsm says:

    Well… since all of us except two blind mice can support Cagle in November, I say we all get behind Cagle now and get him elected. Let’s be uniters, not dividers. 🙂

  19. GAWire says:

    I like that, jsm.

    Jeff, you beat me to it, man. I knew that was coming from the Reed folks, and unfortunately that lack of backbone is par for course for Ralph Reed type people. That’s ashame, but it certainly says a lot!

  20. debbie0040 says:

    Lack of backbone is par for the course for Cagle and his supporters. If any of you Cagle wusses think I lack backbone then you are fools of the highest order.

    Cagle is spineless and could not even stand up to King Roy.

    Reed has won both major straw polls in Georgia. The only poll that matters is the one on July 18th. Reed will win that by 15% or better. People at the BBQ got a look at both Cagle and Reed’s grassroots organization in action. You should have seen both camps in action. You would have thought it was July 18th…It was great…supporters were being called to remind them to come vote by both sides.

    JSM, I bet you are a McCain person..

    The big difference between Cagle and Reed is that Csgle doesn’t like to make waves. Cagle doesn’t like to anger any groups or people including liberals. Cagle avoids controversy and compromises. Cagle is like John McCain.

    Reed tries to build a consensus but doesn’t mind angering left wing groups. He is controversial because he does not compromise and stands his ground. Reed is a lightening rod for left wing liberal groups and these groups hate Reed and see him as a threat to their liberal ideology because of his strong stand. Reed is l ike Reagan. Liberals hated Reagan and attacked him constantly. Reagan stood his ground and did not waver or cave in like Cagle does.

  21. Michael C says:

    Debbie, I am a conservative first, then a Republican. Reed is no conservative. He sacrifices his principals to the highest bidder. Just like you. You will be eating a lot of crow on the 18th when you switch gears and start supporting Cagle.

  22. Chris says:

    There needs to be a Godwin’s law for PeachPundit. I think it would go something like….
    “As a discussion thread grows longer the probablity that one side will call or insinuate that the other side is/are RINOs reaches one. After that point all sane posters stop reading the thread”.

  23. jsm says:

    Debbie said, “JSM, I bet you are a McCain person.”

    Wrong again. I actually voted for Alan Keyes in 2000, and I’m leaning toward George Allen in this cycle.

    Come on, Debbie. For the good of the Party and for the good of Georgia, let’s support Cagle. You know he’s not all the things you say he is. I know you’ve taken some shots here on PP, and it’s natural to want to fight back. Look at the facts. Reed is not good for Georgia. It is clear from his own email records that he knew shady stuff was being done to get him paid to mobilize Christians. He knew the deal was solely about making some cash while getting results for his buddy Abramoff.

    I’ve been eyeball to eyeball with Casey Cagle, and I know I can trust him. Ralph wouldn’t look me in the eye when I met him.

    I look forward to us supporting Cagle together.

  24. debbie0040 says:

    I have been a GOP activist for thirty years and for the good of the party I am supporting Ralph Reed all the way. Reed will not wimp out when things get tough.
    Reed will not use the Georgia taxpayers to make himself rich as Cagle did.

    There is a reason the left wing liberal groups hate Reed. There are threatened by Reed. They feel no threat from Cagle. All they have to say is boo and Cagle will turn tail and run the opposite direction.

    Cagle is not good for Georgia. Hell will freeze over before I will support Cagle in this primary or any primary hereafter he is a candidate in. If he wins the primary I will support him.

    You and I have differing opinions on what is best for the GOP and Georgia. The final decision should be made by the GOP voters on July 18th not a few elitists…

  25. northside elephant says:

    About 1.36 million voted Democratic or Libertarian in the Ga Sen Primary ’04. Isakson got about 1.86 million votes.

    Isakson a strong, centrist Republican won with a margin of less than 600,000 over Majette. His primary was a cake walk and he never endured any scandal or questions of integrity.

    If Ralph were to win he would certainly alienate a large number of swing voters, moderates and Republicans that cannot trust a beltway lobbyist with past business ties to convicted felons.

    Think about the strategic implications before you vote.

  26. Maurice Atkinson says:

    Debbie, we actually agree more than we disagree, however Ralph has been the perennial broker. My criticism, along with others, have provided facts (completely documented). There’s not much more an objective observer, which I am not, can conclude after looking at the facts concerning Ralph that there is anything less than dubious alliances. But, that doesn’t matter because he built the Republican Party in Georgia? He didn’t.

  27. Bill B. says:

    I don’t vote based upon stategic implications. I’m not a campaign worker like most of the posters on here. I vote for the man.

    The ONLY man who I’ve seen working with me for years to build the Republican party in Georgia is Ralph Reed. The ONLY man who I’ve seen working to elect the President was Ralph Reed. The ONLY man I’ve seen come up with a vision and agenda (63 pages!) for this race is Ralph Reed.

    I’m voting FOR Ralph not against anyone. He has the ideas, he has the track record of being a strong conservative voice, and he has the ability to lead.

  28. Jeff Emanuel says:

    I’m interested to know how many of the posters on here ARE campaign workers, Bill. I know that this site is blocked on the computers at the Perdue campaign office; it wouldn’t surprise me if the same were true at other ones, as well.

  29. northside elephant says:

    Jeff E. you’ve brought some good topics to the sight since you got front page privelages.

    Bill B. Maybe Ralph is the only one that you have seen working for the party and the president. Most of us have been around long before Ralph and we will still be around long after he is gone. My point is that it is not a forgone conclusion that Ralph will win the general if nominated.

    I know that some of you find this hard to believe but Ralph is not the lifeblood of the GOP. He raised a lot of money as chair and hired a big staff. He helped Saxby in ’02 and Bush in ’04. That is all.

  30. Bull Moose says:

    It would be very hard, if not impossible, for me to support any candidate in any race, Republican or Democrat, who I believe does not have any appreciation or embrace thereof for honesty, integrity, ethics, and character.

    I truly believe that in order to remove the cynicsm that exists in today’s political environment, we must ask more of our elected officials.

    We should be looking for those kinds of leaders that bridge us together, not that tear us apart. Right now, in Georgia, Senator Johnny Isakson is the best example of that type of leader. Paul Coverdell was that type of leader.

  31. StevePerkins says:

    “So to answer your questions, yes, I’ll defend the man from Democratic attacks, however I might just skip over that box on election day. I won’t vote for the Democrat and the Libertarian is a crackpot.”

    Wow, that’s pretty harsh. Allen Buckley (Libertarian nominee) is probably one of the most moderate and reasonable libertarians out there. I know Republican Liberty Caucus members far more extreme than that guy… other than a “no comment” position on abortion, he’s pretty compatible with GOP views. A Reed candidacy in the general election makes the Libertarian option a no-brainer for me.

  32. BlackVoters says:

    C’mon Ya’ll –

    You need to all go to http://www.REEDFACTS.com

    Then you will see the truth!

    I think you are all wrong about Ralph Reed.

    Pleese get over the bad press and join Ralph
    as he leads Georgia in this new day.

    Ralph Reed is a very very enjoyable person.

    Anyone who does not like Ralph has never met
    him personally. He is a great listene and is
    great about remembering your name, etc..

    I would like to encourage everyone to support
    Ralph.

    He will do a GREAT JOB! I promise you.
    You will forget all about this bad press soon
    and see what a wonderful leader he truly is.

    REED is a present tense verb!

  33. UGAMatthew says:

    BV,
    See in public service, its not just whether or not you like someone. I, personally, like Reed a lot. He’s really done great work, in general, for the conservative agenda. He did a great job for Bush in 04. I’ve met him several times and he’s great. But that doesn’t automatically qualify you above anyone else in a race for public office. Cagle will be better and more suited for the state. That’s the most important question to a voter, “who will do the best job as Lt. Gov.” or at least it should be.

    The advantage Cagle has over Reed in that arena is proof of dedication for the state of Georgia.

  34. duluthmom says:

    BV- Quote: Anyone who does not like Ralph has never met
    him personally. He is a great listene and is
    great about remembering your name, etc.

    I’ve met him personally, on several non-political occasions, and I beg to differ.

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