Vengeance Is Mine Sayeth the Lord Sadie

With a hat tip to the tip line and a commenter, we have this information.

Dave Johnston, who is was the head of the Christian Coalition for Middle Georgia, was willing to go on record and to bat in support of Casey Cagle.

Dave, fwiw, is an outstanding guy, active in the community, and a real leader in the area. He represents the Christian Coalition as a humble servant, not a flashy egotist or dictatorial tyrant.

Well, it appears that because he was unwilling to go along with the Christian Coalition of Georgia’s support of Ralph Reed, Dave has been stripped of his position in Middle Georgia.

Now, I should say as well that it is my understanding from a variety of parties that Dave made his endorsement of Cagle in his personal, not his professional, capacity. That makes this ouster all the worse.

Multiple and many updates below the fold.

[UPDATE:] I’m told by a party familiar with both sides of the situation that this is a bit more complicated than first reported. Apparently, Mr. Johnston identified himself as being with the Christian Coalition — implying less subtly than he should have that his organization was supporting Cagle. But, the Georgia Christian Coalition is a 501(c)(3) and cannot endorse lest the IRS come after them.

Yes, yes, I know Sadie is for Ralph. But she has not endorsed him and neither has the Christian Coalition. The IRS is rather clear — words have meaning here. Heck, words actually have more meaning here than deeds. And because of Johnston’s words, he was booted.

Coincidentally, who taught the CC this lesson in fearing the IRS? How about a certain candidate running for Lt. Governor whose actions allegedly led to the national CC losing its 501(c)(3) status.

[UPDATE 2] It’s close to midnight. But another update. I’m told by a source close to Cagle that Sadie has personally appeared in multiple pieces of lit for Ralph and has gone on the record in the AJC with her support of Ralph.

I’ll agree with the source — there seems to be a double standard at work here.

[UPDATE 3] Okay, so now that we’ve got lots of updates on this, I’m willing to give a lawyer friend of mine the final word. He’s a Democrat with no dog in the fight. He writes:

[His wife] got the phone call from Johnston. [Ed. — she, unlike him, votes Republican] It sounded like he was saying his group, not just him, was endorsing Cagle. Sadie Fields did endorse Dorian, er . . . Reed, but while she was connected with the Christian Coalition, it’s pretty clear from my lexis search that she was endorsing as an individual — even though we all know what that means. Johnston’s call sounded like it went beyond that to me. But, let’s be frank — the man did not toe the corporate line and that has reprecussions. Though considering the IRS took out the national Christian Coalition, I’d be worried too.

[UPDATE 4] Someone sent to the tipline a copy of an article that describes Sadie Fields’s endorsement of Bill Stephens. This is what Update 3 is getting at. From the article:

Mrs. Fields explained her personal endorsement of Stephens today: “Bill was instrumental in passing the Georgia amendment defining marriage, which was critical to our state. He is a proven conservative and Iâ m proud to be standing here today with Bill Stephens.


  1. 4ofspades says:

    So it’s OK for Sadie to personally endorse candidates, but not other leaders in the CC.

  2. landman says:

    Further proof that this organization has lost its way and is run by a bunch of egotistical,arrogant hypocrits.This will back fire on Sadie and so it should.

  3. larry smith says:

    That’s just sickening. Sadie has no organization left, and she’s now trying to shut down her most active chapter because they won’t endorse a guy who has made millions renting their values out to the highest bidder.

    I will be boycotting her events from now on, and I urge others to do the same. There are enough good pro-family groups led by decent and sane people out there that I won’t be wasting any more of my time and money on Sadie Fields (e.g. GRTL, GA Family Council).

    P.S. Does the Christian Coalition of GA even do anything besides pay Sadie a salary?

  4. The Busdriver says:

    If Sadie Fields falls in a forest and no one is around, does she even make a sound?

    What a spiteful beyotch. “Respect ma authorita!”

  5. bowersville says:

    I am suprized this is just now coming up (also under “interesting”). The AJC and Donkey Cons reported on 6-14-06, that Christian Coalition activist, Dave Johnston endorsed Casey Cagle with ” I believe that character does matter, more than ever, we need a leader like Casey Cagle…” Meanwhile on 6-18-06, at ,they report “Meanwhile at Peach Pundit, Erick observes…’Any Georgia Republican naturally figures that if the AJC is against somebody, that’s the person to vote for…’, “

  6. bowersville says:

    Yes, let’s blame IRS 501(c)(3), yet even though Johnston wouldn’t go along with the CC’s or Sadies’ support of Reed, and by all logical conclusions, Sadie/Reed, will/has reported Johnston to the IRS for the lack of support. If Reed/Fields can’t handle it, by all means call in the federal government, the IRS!

  7. Jack S says:

    I’m a conservative and I generally agree with the christian coalition. Its just plain shameful that this once great organization has degenerated to former leaders (reed) pimping their followers out to the highest paying john and then current leaders (sadie) being shamelessly hypocritical in slamming people like this johnson guy for doing nothing more than what she’s done.

    Pathetic. Really sad.

  8. Bull Moose says:

    So, it’s okay that Sadie endorses and supports candidates, but if anyone else takes a position she boots them?

    I guess we shouldn’t be surprised by someone who is as big of a hypocrite as Sadie Fields.

    Though, I think and hope that most people see through these sham organizations today.

  9. bowersville says:

    Just noted the update. BOLD PRINT HERE! Here and Here! Will one person come on here and deny Sadie Fields has not applied a double standard, and if you do, offer us the evidence to the contrary?

  10. Maurice Atkinson says:

    Double standard nothing, these folks have no standards. The ends justify the means.

    In January, Sadie wore Phil Dacosta out because he was willing to be interviewed by the AJC and the Washington Post. He made a comment that they were “going to righteously cast him out.” Well, as it appears, Sadie is dumping the cargo from the ship.

    Dave Johnston was a hard working decent guy that worked to build that organization in Middle Georgia.

  11. debbie0040 says:

    Just goes to show the Cagle cabal does not care about facts or truth.

    Dave should have been canned. He outright lied when he implied the Christian Coalition endorsed Cagle. The CC would have been in big trouble with the IRS. Dave put his mouth in motion before he put his brain in gear..

  12. Maurice Atkinson says:

    Dave never “implied” or otherwise. He identified himself as a husband, father and Chairman of the Middle Georgia Christian Coalition. It probably wasn’t the best judgement in using his title but Sadie has been quoted numerous times defending Ralph, so it wasn’t inappropriate.

    Also, Tim Echols (Teen Pact) sent a mailing suggesting Ralph should be supported because gays were going to “crossover” and support Casey. I had an email exchange with him over the weekend and he faxed the article. Of course, he defends his position and I criticized him for using innuendo to build support for Ralph among the Christian community.

    What is sickening is that Casey Cagle has supported Teen Pact and spoken to this organization on several occasions and been a financial sponsor. Gratitude is a wonderful thing.

  13. Dawgsrock says:

    Sadie has also endorsed other candidates – Stephens for one. He issued a press release on 4/3 stating that.

  14. jacewalden says:


    You mean to tell me that the Christian Coalition is ran by hypocrites???




    Is anyone actually suprised by this revelation?

  15. SouthernConservative says:

    Sadie Fields has never endorsed anyone other than in her personal status. I doubt very seriously that she will ever appear for Ralph or for any other candidate in her professional capacity. And why should she support Casey? Casey Cagle walked out of a committee meeting on the anti – cloning bill, and would have missed the vote, had Sam Zamarippa not prolonged the process by asking for two more days to consider before a vote.

    Maurice, let’s get the facts straight here – Phil DaCosta is the one who screamed in my face that his hate for Ralph Reed was personal, and that he would see Ralph in a body bag before this was all over. Quote verbatim. He’s foaming, foaming at the mouth with the rhetoric that’s fed to him by Casey’s campaign. I rather suspect that both you and Johnson are both compelled by his passionate hate for Reed.

    Tim Echols is a committed Republican, and is also personally within his right to endorse candidates. I don’t understand what he has to do with this debate.

    Finally, I heard the call. The script Johnson used, incidentally, was the same script that was used by the pastor who endorsed Casey. Now, someone answer me this: why is it ok for a pastor to endorse Casey? Isn’t it against the law for faithbased organizations and churches to endorse candidates? Oh, I know – it’s ok because he did it as a person, not as a pastor. Same thing as Sadie.

    Here’s a more scientifically political question – what does it mean that Johnson and this pastor used the exact same script, two days apart?

  16. SouthernConservative says:

    Interesting that Demonbeck has nothing to say other than personal attacks on Sadie. More blind rhetoric.

  17. landman says:

    I received the call and the CC guy didnt endorse from a affiliation stand point but rather from a personal one,although he did make it known he was associatted with the Middle Georgia Chapter,so why can Sadie,Echols and anyone else endorse personally and its ok,but not this guy?

    Here’s the deal folk’s Reeds own internal polling from a couple of weeks ago shows him trailing by almost double digits so he is in panic mode and calling in all markers outstanding.The funny thing is this will hurt him more in Middle Georgia than anywhere else and that was one of his strong geographic areas,although he was losing ground there as well.

    Look for the trademark Reed attack machine to kick in gear and go to unprecedented negative attacks as this campaign implodes over the next couple of weeks.


  18. The Busdriver says:

    Yeah, Tim Echols is a class act:

    “Black Slaves were set free. Women gained greater independence over their own lives. These are all well and good as long as we don’t violate Scripture or disobey God in the process. ”

    From Tim’s column on dating.

  19. debbie0040 says:

    Landman, Those internal poll numbers by the Reed campaign that you quote is a BLATANT LIE spread by you and the Cagle campaign and you know it is a lie. I mentioned that in a previous thread, yet you keep spreading the same LIES. Truth does not mean anything to you and the Cagle campaign. I spoke to an insider with the Reed campaign about those so called polls you quoted and he laughed hysterically.

    As far as Reed going negative, it is “Politics 101”. You make sure if your opponent starts slinging mud, muds gets on him as well. It is really funny that you Cagle supporters are complaining about Reed going negative. What is the matter, don’t you like a taste of your own medicine?

    Landman, you are pathetic in your hatred of Reed and really funny. Get a grip on reality, Reed will win.

  20. LINDA says:

    A little wake up call for Christians: Just bear in mind that there is no greater time in our history of the United States that Christianity is under attack. We cannot allow politics to judge fellow Christians and undermine them in public. If a Christian has done wrong in office, then let the courts decide the fate of that politician. It is not our place to blanketly attack the Christian Coalition. I have rethought my earlier post of hypocrite above. It is only logical that Sadie would want the co-founder of the Christian Coalition to be shielded from vicious attacks. Afterall, Ralph Reed has not been found guilty of a crime. That is not saying that I endorse him or do not endorse him.

    With the attacks on Easter; with the attacks on Christmas; with the “Da Vinci Code” being the new religion of the liberal press; with the cross being ordered down in Los Angeles; and on and on, this is the time for Christians to stop the bashing of fellow Christians. Let us not tear down the good works of Christians in the Christian Coalition!

  21. debbie0040 says:

    Demonbeck, it is really funny how you and others keep blasting Sadie because she supports Ralph, but the first thing you would do if you ran for office is to seek her endorsement. Quit being hypocritical!!

  22. LINDA says:

    Some of these comments make me believe that many Christians of today would have been cheering on the crucification of Jesus 2006 years ago. Wake up people!

  23. duluthmom says:

    Perhaps Sadie’s endorsement isn’t official but it sure as heck is implied by Reed’s camp.
    From Reed’s own website:

    “How refreshing it is to have a candidate who articulates the conservative agenda as well as Ralph Reed,” said Georgia pro-family leader Sadie Fields. “His pro-life, pro-family platform is one that will move this state forward on the issues that matter to the families of Georgia. Each piece of his policy agenda is a worthwhile and attainable goal for our legislature under Ralph’s leadership.”

    By citing her as a Georgia pro-family LEADER vs. just a concerned pro-life citizen, he is capitalizing on her official position in the CC.

    If Sadie was really just concerned about IRS implications she could have had Johnston make a public statement, which clarified that the endorsement was not made in an official capacity. The IRS excuse is just a convenient way to dispose of a dissenter within her ranks.

  24. debbie0040 says:

    Duluthmom, the difference is Reed does not mention that Sadie is Christian Coalition Chairman.

    Dave was not too smart in mentioning his position with Christian Coalition. It is pretty clear that it was intentional to imply the endorsement of the CC. He should have been canned.

  25. duluthmom says:

    Linda, I’m puzzled by your last comment equating comments to “Christians of today [who] would have been cheering on the crucification of Jesus 2006 years ago.” Are you implying that criticism of the CC is equal to being anti-Christian? I sure hope not!

  26. Demonbeck says:


    The first thing I would do if I ran for office would be to seek the endorsement of other local Republican elected officials. Then I would seek the endorsement from business leaders and Chamber members.

    I wouldn’t give two Reeds about Sadie Fields endorsement. I would rather run on my own values as a father and a Christian than on scare tactics, lies and innuendo spewed by Sadie’s soldiers.

  27. duluthmom says:

    Oh please, debbie, just because it isn’t expressly stated doesn’t mean that you can’t connect the lines. Anyone with google can type in Sadie Fields and LEADER (their words not mine) and find exactly who the endorsement comes from.

  28. debbie0040 says:

    Demonbeck, many politicians don’t share your sentiment. Sadie is held in high regard, even by Gov. Perdue.

    You are a very BIG HYPOCRITE to talk about scare tactics, lies and innuendo. Those characteristics are the hallmark of the Cagle Campaign.

  29. Bill B. says:

    Duluth Mom doesn’t understand english…hope she’s not helping her kids with homework! “pro-family leader” is not the same as “Christian Coalition.” Sound out the words if you need to or just look at the different spellings. That is the big difference. Had Dave been called or identified (actually self-identified) as a “pro-family leader” and not the head of the CC, he would not have this issue.

    Did anyone other than me notice the prayer photos in Casey’s brochure and website? So were they fake praying? Or did they have a photographer interupt church?

  30. debbie0040 says:

    duluthmom, so what? Dave should have done the same thing. What he did was a blatant, deliberate attempt to imply Cagle had CC support and he was popped on it. Good riddance.

  31. duluthmom says:

    Bill B, Nice personal attack. If you had read my 9:59 post, my meaning was clear, you either chose to ignore it or are being purposefully ignorant to take a cheap shot at me.

  32. LINDA says:

    Dear Duluthmom,

    I am saying that Christians should not be attacking an organization made up of other Christians. We have to stand together or we will all fall together. Let the courts decide the fate of a politician or any other person charged with wrong doing, but let us not destroy the Christian Coalition in the public’s eyes. The Christian Coalition is not just the leaders, as it is made up of millions of Christians that have an organization that tells voters where politicians stand on values positions. We are to provide an example for the youth that are sitting on the fence post of whether to believe in Christ or to follow the path of atheists.

  33. landman says:

    Debbie,you are gravely mistaken I unlike many others do not hate Ralph,I just am of the opinion based on years of personal observation that he is not the best candidate in this race.

    When you next talk to your Reed insider tell him to post the poll if my statement is so hillarious,your boy is getting beat Debbie,you dont need to take this so personal.Im not complaining about RR going negative it is only expected from him and that is why it will fail,his reputation precedes him.

    Lets look at the groups supporting Cagle-Builders,Bankers,Realtors,Teachers,Insurance,Sate Senators,State Reps,County Commissioners,ect,ect….
    Ralph has the CC and the Debbies…Now really who do think is going to win?

    CAGLE ’06

  34. Bill B. says:

    Sorry Mom, but your day was last month not yesterday! 🙂

    Purposefully ignorant is not undersanding that Dave could have done the same thing and we could have googled him too. Then he would not have potentially gotten the CC in trouble with the IRS.

    The reason you and the cagleites here don’t see a problem is that the govt. gives a pass to the black churches for campaigning that it doesn’t give to white ones or CC type organizations. Since the Dems support Cagle (and vice-versa) they don’t see a real problem.

  35. Bill Simon says:

    Erick Sez: “How about a certain candidate running for Lt. Governor whose actions allegedly led to the national CC losing its 501(c)(3) status.”

    There ain’t no “allegedly” here. Ralph DID cause the national CC to originally lose their tax-exempt status for his public work on behalf of a Republican candidate in Virginia.

    But, I’m sure Ralph doesn’t actually believe in the laws of Man. He, like so many other Christian hypocrites, are on a quiet, but determined mission, to climb to the ultimate throne of power in this country and toss-out the Rule of Law (and, tax exempt organizations), and declare his form of hypocritical Christianity to be THE official religion of the United States.

  36. LINDA says:

    Come on Christians, and band togehter to go after the organizations more harmful to us: THE ADL, THE ACLU, AIPAC AND NOW to name a few. These organizations need to be investigated, as these NGOs are very much responsible for the attacks on Christianity today. Direct your anger to where it should be!

  37. duluthmom says:

    Silly me, I thought Cagle was a GOP candidate. But you’re saying Dems support Cagle over Martin and others? Not the Dems I know. (Besides, campaigning can’t be happening in Dem churches because allegedly Dems are all God-less.)

    The reason I dislike the CC is that they do not appear to realize that the term Christian covers a wide blanket of faiths and tenets of belief. As a Christian, I don’t agree with their stance on many issues yet I’m expected to endorse their views simply because I am a Christian. I’d rather support a group that upholds my individual rights like the ACLU rather than one that demands conformity in the name of God.

  38. jacewalden says:


    Here’s the thing. If we as Christians are unable to criticize ourselves and make adjustments, then we will sure as hell fall prey to the liberal agenda. This doesn’t mean we should stray from our personal values, but it does mean we call a spade a spade. If we can’t remove the hypocrites from power, then we deserve to be blasted.

    We must police our own, because if we don’t, someone else will.

    The ACLU is destroying America. Just thought I’d add that in there.

  39. debbie0040 says:

    Landman, no campaign posts their internal polling data results. There is no advantage to a front runner to post their internal poll results and no goading will prompt them to do so. Nice effort though. Look at the Bush/Cheney campaign in 2004. Did they post their internal poll results? No, they did not. The only poll Cagle has posted has been a “push poll” he commissioned and it is well known, push polls are not reliable.

    Landman, the same groups that endorsed Cagle have also endorsed other State Senators. IE: Bill Stephens and Brian Kemp. According to your logic, we can expect Stephens to defeat Handel and Kemp to defeat Black. Sorry, I don’t believe that for a minute.

    Reed has a lot of grassroots support, not just Christian Coalition. BTW, I am NOT Christian Coalition and I wholeheartedly support Reed. Reed has support from when he won the Georgia GOP Chairmanship. Reed has support from well known activists like Zell Miller, Sean Hannity, Haley Barbour, Rudy Giulianni, Nancy Coverdell, etal.

    Cagle went negative first, now it is payback…

  40. Bill Simon says:


    Thank you for adding evidence that you’re an ignorant fool. The ACLU, on occasion, does go to the outer reaches of the galaxy…but, had it not been for the ACLU, the form of government spelled-out in the Constitution and intended would likely not be intact today.

  41. LINDA says:

    Well to Jace Walden,

    As Jesus said to the pharasees and his disciples, “Let he who is without sin throw the first stone.” There is nothing wrong with finding wrong doing in any politician, and if illegal activities have taken place then justice should be served. But we cannot tear down the entire Christian Coalition because the Christians that make up that organization are not guilty of any wrongdoing. Many people fall because of their love of money, but just heed what the Bible says that will happen in the end times. The Bible warns of Christians turning against Christians, and we have worked too hard to get a place in the seat of government that was robbed from us by the ACLU.

  42. LINDA says:

    Bill Simon,

    The roots of the ACLU were around since a much earlier time than that. They may have not been so named, but they were very much active in getting Christianity out of the public schools in New York in the 1800s. It is time for people to do some research of just how we got in this predicament of where those that founced this Country are under constant attack by a very small minority.

  43. landman says:

    Debbie,the poll was taken and he was shown to be getting beat by almost double digits,they need to work on some leak issues…..Sixty percent of those “well known activist are out of staters and one has more in common with the dems running in this race than the Republicans.I do agree with you that alot of old party hacks are behind Ralph but the majority of them were against Issacson as well and we know what happened there dont we?

    Its all coming together for Cagle at the right time,and he will be your next Lt. Gov.

    CAGLE ’06

  44. duluthmom says:

    “It is time for people to do some research of just how we got in this predicament of where those that founced this Country are under constant attack by a very small minority.”

    The above statement can be applied to the ultra-right as well as the ultra-left.

  45. Bill B. says:

    I think Duluth Mom is really Jane Fonda! She thinks the ACLU is a better organization to protect our rights than the CC!?! And she thinks Cagle is not just a RINO.

    WARNING: the left is in our primary and they support Cagle.

  46. Three Jack says:

    “but let us not destroy the Christian Coalition in the public’s eyes.” — too late, implosion occured already with Pat Robertson making idiotic statements time and again, Ralph Reed being linked to casino corruption, etc. Reagan’s moral majority was taken over by Robertson, Reed to the detriment of all who consider themselves God fearing, moral individuals. CC is nothing more than a voting block just like teacher unions, seniors, latinos, blacks, gays, et al. Eventually pols will come to realize hypocrites like Sadie and Pat are not worth the trouble.

  47. LINDA says:

    But Three Jack,

    What other organization out there provides check lists for voters out there to know how candidates stand on values issuess? It is time that Christians banded together, and make sure that atheists get voted out of political offices. Party affiliation is not the issue nor is whether or not you judge someone to be a hypocrite in the CC. So what, there are hypocrites in every organization. But you do not bring down the whole just because of a few. With that mind set, you could argue that the United States should be destroyed because it has hypocrites that reside in the County. Can any of us on this blog say that we have never been a hypocrite in our life time?

  48. debbie0040 says:

    You are a liar landman. You have a hatred of Reed and you know it. You continue to lie about the poll results. I spoke to an insider in the Reed campaign and they denied it. I could make a similar statement about an insider poll taken by the Cagle campaign that shows Cagle 20 points behind. That would have as much credibility as you do talking about a Reed Insider poll. Get real.

    As far as the Isakson statement, you are off again. Sadie supported Isakson as did most of the party activists I am referrring to. (IE:Milner, etal)

    In fact, it is well known that Herman Cain is not too happy with Reed’s involvement with Isakson’s campaign.

    It is a well known fact that far left extremists groups are supporting Cagle in this campaign to stop Reed. They even went so far as to send out emails to GOP activists (gee I wonder where they got the emails?) and run ads on Christian Radio Stations. The stations pulled the ads once they found out who they really were. It is also well known and has been reported that gays are going to cross over and vote for Cagle to stop Reed. I will be more than happy to supply the emails and the AJC article that mentioned this cross over voting if you would like me to.

    Gee, wonder why these groups are not trying to stop Cagle?

  49. Demonbeck says:


    Since when did AIPAC become a harmful organization? I am Christian and I take offense to that statement.

    Seriously, who includes AIPAC with the ACLU, ADL and NOW? It makes you sound Anti-Semitic.

  50. jacewalden says:


    I’m not saying that everyone in the CC is a hypocrite. To the contrary, I think that most people in the CC do have honorable intentions.

    But, remember the old saying “absolute power corrupts absolutely”. The CC would only be strengthened if it got rid of the hypocritical leaders–not “brought down”.


    I agree that “far-left” groups are supporting Cagle instead of Reed. But that doesn’t mean that Cagle supports “far-left” groups. The the “far-left” groups, Cagle is just the lesser of two evils. They hate Reed so much, that they vote for Cagle out of necessity. This does not mean that Cagle supports them in ANY way though.

    If you’re promoting guilt by association, then I suggest you look at where Reed’s buddies are now [cough] Jack Abramoff [cough]. Not saying Reed is guilty…but if you promote guilt by association, then at least be consistent.
    If Reed wins the primary, it will be at least 4 more years before we see a Republican Lt. Governor–bottom line!

  51. Demonbeck says:

    The CC’s problems do not lie with their membership, they lie nearly exclusively with their leadership – who is leading the entire group down the path to Gomorrah.

  52. Maurice Atkinson says:

    Debbie, “””They even went so far as to send out emails to GOP activists (gee I wonder where they got the emails?) “””” That is absolute bunk.

    Until a couple of months ago ANYONE could go on the website and download every state committee member’s address, phone number and email address in an excel format.

    To insinuate collusion is preposterous.

  53. landman says:

    Debbie,nine points is the number,like it or not.The staffers need to be a little quiter when they are out having drinks..the walls have ears….Now you run to your car fast,because the Gay’s are coming to get you and Ralph and Tim and Sadie!!!!!

  54. debbie0040 says:

    Jace, what the support of the left wing groups and gays mean is that they feel Reed threatens their liberal ideology and don’t feel Cagle does.

    They know Cagle caves in under pressure and will not stand steadfast and fight them as Reed will.

    How many left wings groups do you see trying to raise money to defeat Cagle?

  55. Three Jack says:

    LINDA, you asked, What other organization provides checklists on values issues?

    What gives CC credibility to judge values with leadership like Pat, Ralph and Sadie? Kind of like putting out a checklist on fiscal conservative issues.

    BTW, name an atheist running for public office in GA.

  56. debbie0040 says:

    Maurice, you are wrong again. I know activists received the emails in Cobb County that were not on any State Committee list or any list posted on I have the emails they were sent…

    Landman, you are full of crap and you know it. I could say the same thing about Cagle insiders. Quit your lying, it is pathetic… Tell me, did you used to work for Bill Clinton? You lie like you did…

  57. Jimbo says:

    Landman, you insult our intelligence. You expect us to believe that a well known Cagle hack has access to sensitive Reed campaign insider polls.

    You can stop your lying now, it won’t work.

    Reed will be the next Lt. Governor. A year from now, you and Cagle will be just has beens.

    Three jack, There will be no need for the left wing groups to adjust their web site after July 19th. If Cagle wins, the left wing groups win and so do the gays.

    Bill, I am not the least bit suprised that you prefer the ACLU to the Christian Coalition.

    You do a real injustice to your client in the Sixth District Congressional Race. The fact he has you as a paid consultant with your sentiments, hurts him. A man is known by the company he keeps…



  59. jacewalden says:


    I don’t want to get into another row with you, especially considering that you and I have been agreeing on certain issues lately, but if you want the spirit of cooperation to continue, then you’re going to have to pay attention. 😉

    I just said that Liberal Groups are supporting Cagle. I just implied EXACTLY what you said…they feel less threatened by Cagle. Your analysis of these facts is what I’m arguing here.

    These people don’t “like” Cagle. They don’t think he’ll “give in” to liberalism. They just hate Ralph Reed so much that they’re desperate! Wait until primaries are over. When Cagle wins, see what happens to his “left-wing” supporters. They’ll run from him like scalded cats and start pumping money into whoever the Dems nominate.
    I mean, do you think if Cagle is Lt. Governor that Georgia is going to become a bastion of liberalism???

    One of the key differences between Cagle and Reed is that Cagle isn’t completely polarizing. It’s too the benefit of the Republican party that Cagle isn’t polarizing. He’ll be able to pull the votes of the moderate Republicans and some conservative Democrats (if there is such a thing). Reed will lose some moderate republicans (most likely to the Libertarian) and will gain ZERO swing votes. If he is nominated, we won’t see a Republican Lt. Gov. for four more years.

    Cagle will win, and he will be a credit to GA Conservatives.

  60. debbie0040 says:

    Jace, When groups say polarizing they mean someone that doesn’t want to just get along and I don’t want that. I want someone polarizing. I don’t want someone that just wants to get along with left wing groups.

  61. Bill B. says:

    I don’t want a candidate that the liberals consider the “lesser of two evils.” I want the candidate that the liberals hate because I know he is a REAL conservative who will support the things I believe in.

    I want a candidate that supports the Republican party and only gives money to Republicans not to the Mark Taylor campaign.

    I want a candidate with a real agenda, not some bullet points that poll well.

    I want a candidate that has stood up to the attacks of the liberals and their media pals and never backed down.

    So do Republican primary voters and that’s why they will vote for Ralph Reed – the true conservative in this race.

  62. jacewalden says:


    Are you saying that Cagle “gets along” with the ACLU? Or that he is somehow “Sympathetic” to gay marriage? Or a friend to the animal rights movement, or a supporter of affirmative action? I don’t think he “get’s along” with liberal groups, Debbie.

    And before you say, “Then why are they supporting him?” I direct you to my previous posts.

    Cagle is no less a true conservative than Ralph Reed. The difference is Cagle has class the class that Reed lacks and lacks the baggage that Reed has.

  63. landman says:

    Debbie and Jimbo relax it will be ok,we Cagle supporters will welcome you on the team after the primary.I will give both of you your due in the loyalty department,as misplaced as it is. Jimbo,Im sure Casey is going to be as disappointed as I was when I relay your forecast about us both being has beens within a year.

    Nine points behind guys thats your news for today,not six,not seven,not eight but nine,unreal!!!!

  64. LINDA says:

    Dear Three Jack,

    Anyone running for office in Georgia or any state for that matter or is now holding office that supports: gays getting married, supprts abolishing the Ten Commandments from public buildings, supports the cross being taken down in Los Angeles, supports God being removed from the Pledge of Allegiance, accepts donations from the ACLU and gee the list is too long for me to keep on going is an atheist in my opinion. Does the scripture “Be aware of wolves in sheep’s clothing” ring a bell to you. I think that the Christian Coalition has done an outstanding job in opening the eyes of Americans to stand up and take heed at those that seek to destroy our Christian foundation.

  65. Bill B. says:

    I like Ann. But I don’t find her as attractive as some do. She’s too tough for my tastes! 😉

  66. LINDA says:

    The definition of a liberal today can be equated to Marxism which can be equated to Communism which are all the church ofthe atheists. Open your eyes for you have much to see and learn, Three Jack.

  67. Demonbeck says:


    I didn’t do it initially, Linda did. Here’s her quote…

    “Come on Christians, and band togehter to go after the organizations more harmful to us: THE ADL, THE ACLU, AIPAC AND NOW to name a few.”

    Frankly, I don’t view AIPAC as an enemy to all Christians.

  68. LINDA says:

    Dear Demonbeck,

    Follow the money and trace the membership rolls. Google it and you will find out much. All of these organizations have a common thread (see if you can find it). AIPAC is much like the house at a gambling business, they play both sides of the bet and control both parties so it is a win/win no matter who gets in office. Check out AIPAC’s contributions and see who gets most of the contributions to see how politicians vote on issues.

  69. Bill Simon says:


    Linda longs for the day when the KKK still had its power. Then she wouldn’t have to put up with uppity Jews like the ones that are in the ACLU and the ADL.

  70. debbie0040 says:

    Landman, I say Cagle is 15 points behind Reed according to a Cagle campaign insider poll. A dancer at the Pink Pony said one of Cagle’s operatives gave her the inside info. This info was relayed to me by my neighbor’s half sister’s brother-in-law twice removed’s ex wife 🙂

    Bill, I am pretty sure Sadie did endorse Isakson in the primary. I remember the suprise from the Collins camp.

  71. Demonbeck says:

    It’s a sad state of affairs for the Christian Coalition when they start going Anti-Semitic. Whatever happened to “love thy neighbor” or “offer the other cheek”? The premise of a CC is wonderful, too bad it is now run by heathens.

  72. Demonbeck says:

    BTW, shouldn’t LINDA be more worried about losing to Mark Williams in Jesup than posting on this blog?

  73. LINDA says:

    No you are wrong Bill Simon,

    For you readers out there, Bill has his panties in a wad because I have been posting a Christian view point on his blog. I am just rejoicing in the fact that the Internet has opened up the debate in the United States of just who hold all the cards in our government. You see Bill is attacking Lynn Westmoreland for not knowing the Ten Commandments, and opened the door for me to walk right in to the debate. If you see, he is called me an idiot, a member of the KKK and probably cussed me in private.

  74. Demonbeck says:


    Are you insinuating that Jewish people “who hold all the cards in our government”?

    Is that really what you are saying?

  75. northside elephant says:

    What most in the CC crowd don’t get is that a significant portion of Republican voters are skeptical of the CC and don’t take it seriously. Incidents like this are part of the reason why.

  76. LINDA says:

    It’s a sad state of affairs for the Christian Coalition when they start going Anti-Semitic. Whatever happened to “love thy neighbor

  77. LINDA says:

    My view point is that if we shall analyze the works of the CC, that the other organizations should also be open to debate. Let us get to the bottom of just why Christianity is the only religion that can be bashed.

  78. Demonbeck says:

    AIPAC is not devoted to the Christian cause, but they certainly are not anti-Christian.

    You said, “Bill has his panties in a wad because I have been posting a Christian view point on his blog. I am just rejoicing in the fact that the Internet has opened up the debate in the United States of just who hold all the cards in our government.”

    Just who holds all of the cards in our government Linda?

    With all of your vitriol directed at AIPAC and now this statement directed at an openly Jewish poster on these boards, it is quite obvious how you feel about our Old Testament brothers.

    I hope this bias has come out in your race against Mark Williams.

  79. LINDA says:

    Read what this article has to say, as this is one of many places that I have read online. I do not know who Mark Williams is. Then I suggest that your read articles by Pat Buchanan for further information. I have not slandered Bill Simon, as I have only ask him to accept Christ as his Lord and Saviour. If you read my posts, I do not slander people at all. I just point out the organizations that wield political influece in our government with $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$! We all know that money is what rules in politics not religous beliefs. Our country was founded on the premise that we never favor one country over another country, as we were not to take sides in worldly affairs. The AIPAC is not a United States NGO, as it is an Israel lobby, and lobbies of other countries should not influence our United States!

  80. Demonbeck says:

    There are so many things wrong with that last post, that I really don’t even know where to start. I pray for you and your sanity to one day return Linda. I truly hope that your good health and sanity return to you in the near future.

  81. Bill Simon says:


    There are FAR MORE Christian-run and Christian-owned compaines that funnel FAR MORE money to Bush and the GOP than the ones whom you cite as supporting Democrats.

    This country is 85% Christian, yet you fell “victimized” when told you cannot use PUBLICLY-OWNED property to display your Christianity.

    If you want to “expose” AIPAC and other organizations, I strongly urge you to stop supporting W. Bush and his administration. Because, he LOVES the money and attention he gets from AIPAC-influenced donors to his campaign.

    Go on, put your faith where your mouth is. Go tell it to Bush and Rove.

  82. Bill Simon says:


    I certainly hope you are not supporting Ralph Reed. Because, it was Ralph Reed who built the organization called and sent letters to pro-Israel evangelicals to encourage them to send money to HIS organization and that organization sent money to Israel (after Ralph, of course, took his nice cut).

    So, I assume you are either for Casey OR, you’re not going to vote at all.

  83. LINDA says:

    Well come on Demonbeck,

    Prove me wrong. Show me and others proof that are Constitution was formed to show favor to another Country. I am not worried about my sanity or my health, but thank you for the concern. I think you are afraid that I might just reach some people out there that do not search beyond idle gossip about this politician or that politician. I am arguing substance over form, and not just in the ring throwing mud at individual candidates. I do not have a motive other than opening people’s eyes to look beyond the one liner debates. It is time that we got to the heart of the matter.

  84. Demonbeck says:

    “The work that AIPAC does is a vital part of our democratic process. You speak out boldly, and that’s good for America and Israel. You make sure that politicians hear what voters have to say not only on election day but on every day of the year.

  85. 4ofspades says:

    Has Linda posted anything about politics in her posts? Last time I checked this was like PV is a political blog. Typically the folks on here are focused on converting people to their candidates.

  86. LINDA says:

    Dear Bill,

    I have not decided who I will vote for. My vote is not the issue here. I am standing up for Christianity, and that is good that there are some Jews in Israel that support Christians. Perhaps, they need to focus on spreading biblical teachings to the 25% of the population in Israel that claim to be atheists. Like I said before, no politician should be allowed to accept contributions from foreign organizations. That is an alien concept to what our United States was founded upon.

  87. Demonbeck says:

    I have been trying to get to the heart of your argument.

    In your eyes, who holds all the cards in the Government?

    You said, “I am just rejoicing in the fact that the Internet has opened up the debate in the United States of just who hold all the cards in our government.

  88. LINDA says:

    Dear 4 of Spades,

    As far as I can see this post was all about the hypocrites of the Christian Coalition. You see destruction of a candidate is not the motive of some liberals on this PP, as destruction of Christianity is the primary focus.

  89. Bill Simon says:

    Not trying to build-up my Web presence here, but I must take a quote from my blog from Linda and place it here because it demonstrates the same line of thinking, I fear, that Linda demonstrates here as to who she believes “holds all the cards in our government” that she refuses to answer Demonbeck on:

    This is Linda blogging on Political Vine down near the end: You are right that a Jew has never knocked on my door and invited me to go to church with them, and Hell would freeze over before they did. It is because the Jew has nothing to offer in the way of salvation for mankind, unless it be a Jew that has followed in what Jesus Christ has commanded.

  90. Bill Simon says:


    I continue to talk to you because I think somewhere in your psyche there exists a modicum of intelligence.

    What is a “Jew” to you? Is it just a non-Christian, or is it a race of people?

  91. Three Jack says:

    Actually Linda, the cross removal order is from San Diego.

    Your criteria for being an atheist is just dead wrong, but not unexpected from a fringe christian desiring to force her way of life on others ala CC. There are many of us who could care less about whether homosexuals suffer the same misery as heterosexuals when it comes to marriage. There are many of us who actually believe there should be a separation of church and state or else both institutions suffer. If you want to carry a copy of the Ten Commandments with you while visiting public buildings, you have that right. But don’t force taxpayers to pay for the defense of that right as Roy Moore did in AL.

    These simple minded emotional issues generated by so-called Christians divert from the real agenda of the Republican Party — fiscal conservatism, less government, self responsibility. As long as elected Republicans pander to those who vote with emotion instead of logic, then we are destined to lose control of government back to liberal democrats like Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean, Dick Durbin, Charley Rangel, Cynthia McKinney, John Lewis, John Kerry…is that what you want LINDA?

  92. LINDA says:

    I also ask Bill Simon to define to me what a Jew is. It cannot be defined as a Christian because there are atheist Jews, there are Judaism worshiping Jews, there are Jews that follow the Talimud. I ask Bill Simon to tell me what a Jew may be defined as.

    All of this debate got started on his blog over his calling Lynn Westmoreland a dumbass for not being able to recite the Ten Commandments, and I happened upon his liberal blog by clicking his name and posted away.

    And Demonbeck, those that control the money hold the cards in our government. Now, we are to the point that we must depend upon China and Japan to carry our extraordinary debt. Our United States has been destroyed from within and without by a grand Ponzi scheme. We are to the point where the military complex is running the United States leading us into one war after another because this keeps the Federal Reserve busy printing more and more money to keep our Country afloat. There will come a time that we must pay the piper, and it will not be a pretty site for America.

  93. Bill Simon says:


    Haven’t you yet learned that a guerrilla defeat is far sweeter than an ongoing defeat via a taunt?

    Just imagine their hearts sinking on Primary Night as the numbers roll-in and over Ralph.

  94. LINDA says:

    Well anyway to Dave,

    Thank you for being a wonderful role model in Macon, Georgia. You have done such good work with Save a Life, and I know you are a good Christian. And Phil is a super fine guy, too! Phil is a hard working Christian, and works hard for Christ.

  95. LINDA says:

    The Federal Reserve controls the money supply. Most Americans are in debt with very little net worth. Have you ever researched how the Federal Reserve was founded, Demonbeck and by whom, and did you know that a Christian has never been nominated to head the Federal Reserve? I bet you think that the Federal Reserve is controlled by the three branches of government. Demonbeck, money equates to power. All of this that I write goes beyond the scope of this blog, and you have to read and research for many years as I have to be able to put the pieces of the puzzle together. Our monetary problems began in 1913 when the Federal Reserve was created, and since that time our Citizens have been hijacked into supporting one war afer another because wars generate money flowing into the hands of thieves. Our soldiers are the sacrificial lambs for those that use the drum beats of war. Don’t get me wrong now, I firmly believe in a strong military, but I am disgusted by our policies in the Middle East. We are now hated more than ever abroad, and our faithful Marines and other soldiers are taking the blame.

  96. Demonbeck says:

    I hope you all realize that I am merely joking, LINDA is as sane and stable as any of us who post on this blog…

  97. debbie0040 says:

    Landman, you keep on thinking that…July 18th will tell a different tale. Reed will win by 10 -15 % Count on it

  98. debbie0040 says:

    Landman, you are not fooling anyone and you know it. You are just trying to disseminate false information to be taken as fact as the Cagle Campaign has done from the beginning. Cagle’s credibility is gone as is yours.

    You have taken your strategy from the Clinton Administration. “Tell a lie long enough and enough times and people will begin to believe it is true”. It won’t work in this case because I KNOW better and so do you.

    Keep living in your fantasy world….

  99. Bull Moose says:

    WOW… What a controversy we have brewing here…

    I go by the saying that if you have to tell people you are a Christian, you may have a problem. The Bible says that your actions should demonstrate your faith. Period.

    Personally, I do not have any respect for Ralph Reed. I disagree with how he conducted himself as a businessman in his association with Abramoff, Scanlon, and others. I disagree with how he distorted his role in South Carolina against John McCain in spreading outright lies. And finally, I don’t think he’s genuine. He’s not authentic. That matters!

    However, I don’t know him personally, so it’s impossible for me to HATE someone I don’t know personally, but from what I have observed, he’s not the kind of person that I want to vote for, support, or have serve in office, so I’m doing the little bit that I can to elect the person that I think is better.

    My support of Casey Cagle is FOR Casey and NOT against Ralph.

    Casey’s the better, more qualified candidate – hands down. For Georgia it’s really a difference between someone with experience and integrity or someone who is a flashy talker with ethical issues that may or may not be criminal.

    The choice is clear and by 9 points, Georgians are agreeing with that assessment too!

  100. Bull Moose says:

    By the way, to the reporters that read this site. Here are two questions that you should be asking Ralph Reed:

    1. If you are indicted as part of the corruption scandal involving Jack Abramoff, will you drop out of the race?

    2. You say that you are guilty by association only, but if that is the case, why do you have a criminal defense attorney representing you in these ongoing matters surrounding your work for Jack Abramoff?

    Those are very relevant. More than one candidate has told me that he has been encouraging his supporters to please not vote for Ralph Reed. He said that it would be a disaster and a waste of his efforts IF Ralph were the nominee and did end up being indicted for his role in the Abramoff scandals.

  101. debbie0040 says:

    Bullmoose, the Cagle campaign is spreading out right lies and have been from the beginning. The poll you quote is just one example. It is an outright lie. Let’s see proof of it. It has been very strongly denied by insiders in the Reed campaign and they would know. Let’s see the beef. Put up or shut up about the so called poll.

    You guys are really pathetic and running scared to fabricate something such as that. You make yourselves look ridiculous.

    Cagle has had ethical lapses that you seem to have forgotten about. Cagle has lied. Cagle has no credibility.

    Cagle is weak. I detest cowardice and weakness in elected officials and Cagle exhibited those traits under the Barnes Regime. I want someone willing to take the fight to the liberals. Ralph will do that not Cagle.

    Reed is the more qualified candidate. That is evident when you hear the two speak side by side. Ralph runs circles around Cagle.

  102. bird says:

    Linda, you’ve piqued my interst with your Federal Reserve beliefs. So, if Bush is a Christian, and he nominated the new chair of the Federal Reserve, Ben Bernanke, who was approved by the US Senate, comprised overwhelmingly of Christian members, how is it that Christians do not control the Federal Reserve?

    Is W. being blackmailed to nominate a non-Christian? Is the US Senate also being blackmailed? If that is what you are saying, you are on the far fringe of the conspiracy theorists. Also, you seem to be implying that there is some sort of global Jewish conspiracy that controls the US money supply. Is that what you believe?

  103. debbie0040 says:

    Bull Moose, Cheney has a criminal attorney representing him as well. Are you accusing the Vice President of committing a crime?

    I can tell you that I will not vote for any candidate I hear telling his supporters not to vote for Ralph. That is a slap in the face of every Reed supporter and that candidate does not deserve the vote of any Reed supporter, period. If they don’t want Reed on the ticket then they don’t want the vote of his supporters…

    The GOP Primary voters will decide who is best to represent the party, not a bunch of back room elitists or State Senators going for a power play…

  104. debbie0040 says:

    If someone is a true Christian and believes the Bible, then they can not be anti Jewish. The Bible clearly says: “I will bless then that bless you and curse them that curse you.”

    You can not claim to be a Christian and be against God’s “Chosen People”.

  105. shep1975 says:

    Ditto on the Jewish comments. Just got this from Sadie:

    19th Jun 2006 15:23

    Dear Friends,

    About a year ago, I was contacted by three men from the Macon, GA area, who wanted to form a “Middle Georgia” chapter of the Christian Coalition of Georgia. I was thrilled to have their offer to help organize the middle part of our state to increase our grassroots effectiveness. To that end one of the men, David Johnston signed a Chapter Leader Agreement that is quite specific in what a chapter can and cannot do.

    Last week, I got several phone calls from people who had received an automated phone call from David Johnston, identifying himself as the Chairman of the Middle Georgia Christian Coalition endorsing a political candidate.

    In the almost ten years that I have been the State Chairman of the Christian Coalition of Georgia, I can count on one hand the times I have given a candidate a personal statement of support. And, I have never used my title nor the name of the organization in the statements that I have given.

    Those candidates have respected the many reasons why our organization cannot and does not endorse candidates.

    As the state leader of an organization such as this, I understand there are people who support our work that may be on opposite sides of a campaign. I recognize and respect the individual right and opinion of those who help us further our cause, and know that they certainly have the ability to think for themselves regarding who they choose to support for political office.

    Unfortunately Mr. Johnston, in his enthusiasm to support the candidate of his choice, failed to abide by the terms of the Chapter Leader Agreement. Regrettably, for legal reasons the agreement between the Christian Coalition of Georgia and the Middle Georgia Christian Coalition had to be terminated.

    I apologize to those of you who received these calls and were offended.

    Thank you for Keeping The Faith.
    Sadie Fields

  106. Bull Moose says:

    Okay, Sadie, you are a sad hypocrite. Ralph probably called you and told you to do this to this man. How unfortunate that you conduct yourself this way. I think most people see through it. If I were this guy, I’d do even more calls and letters, etc…

    As for you Debbie, the reason that candidates don’t want Reed on the ticket is they’ve done there own polling too. He’s a DRAG everywhere. In some races it’s a double digit drag on candidates running in competitive seats. Reed is synonymous with the ongoing scandals in DC through his past work and association with Jack Abramoff. Indicted or not, he’s got that stench that we don’t need in Georgia.

  107. LINDA says:

    Gee, you people are not even grasping what I have been saying. I am not against God’s Chosen People! If you do not fight for Christianity, our children will be forced to live in a country where the New Testament is declared to be anti-semitic. How can a Christian that warns of false Jews that are in no way shape or form part of God’s covenant be labeled as anti-semitic. Jews for Jesus is what we need more than anything in America, instead of Jews that are paranid of Christians to the point of wanting to take every shred of Christianity out of the public square.

  108. Bill Simon says:


    Maybe a good slap in the face (or, a dunk of ice-cold water) is EXACTLY what Reed supporters need to wake-up from their dreamy state. I swear, I think you guys are the Children of the Corn all grown-up.

  109. LINDA says:


    Check out this atheist blog that is quite popular on the web that is called It is ran by good ole Dave, who is a Jew. See what hate he and others have to say about the stupid Christians in the United States. The big picture is that our youth in search of what to believe in are too many times caught up in the hatred that is spewed toward Christians. This is where many more Christians should be spending there time, which is out there signing up on these atheist blogs and reaching out to the teenagers that are surfing on them.

  110. Demonbeck says:


    Not being a member of the Jewish faith nor a member of the Third (is it now the Fourth?) Reich, can you please explain to me how someone can be a Jew and an Atheist at the same time?

  111. bird says:

    Linda, the venom you spew towards those of different faiths is more poisonous than any I see directed towards Christians. I am a Christian, and I haven’t the slighest fear that Christmas and Easter will NOT be celebrated in my house and at my church as long as I live.

    Why you so threatened by atheists and Jews? I never meet any atheist, or if I do, I would never know it. I hardly see any in the media either. My Jewish friends are on the whole as moral as my Christian friends. We might disagree on theology, but they in no way endanger my existence.

  112. LINDA says:

    Dear Jacewalden,

    Glad to see a high school Democrat trying to get involved in politics. Debate that has quality is in the eye of the beholder. Our country is much more complex than the blue/red divide, and unfortunately the love of money is the root of all evil. There are Christians on the take, there are Jews on the take, and all of us helpless Citizens must shoulder the burden of debt that we will never get out of. The debate is over the hypocrisy of one CC member over another CC member, and in the grand scheme of things it does not matter as far as the survival of the United States is concerned. You can never look for a political office to be led by a man or woman that is perfect.

  113. LINDA says:

    Well Bird, I have debated Dave on his NOgodblog. I believe his name is Dave Silverstein. Trust me, you have not experience hatred toward Christianity until you visit this site and try debating with them. I even found a couple of youth that had put there webpages on this site, and emailed them privately and advised them to remove their personal information from their blogs. One young man had his address, phone number and the high school that he attended.

    I too, have Jewish friends that are very religous. Bird, have you been asleep at the wheel while Christianity has been the object of attack now for years? Sure you may never have to worry about practicing Christianity in your home or church, but what about practicing your faith in the public square. I do not hate anyone nor am I spewing out hatred, as I am sharing with those of you that are blinded by the reality of what is going on. The ACLU wants to protect everyone’s right to free speech, but a Christian. What part of that do you not understand?

  114. Bill Simon says:


    I believe Linda is operating under the assumption/presumption that “Jews” are more of a “people” rather than practitioners of a religion.

    Sort of like Native American Indians are a “race” in that they share certain physical attributes and a bloodline.

    So, if Linda views the classification of Jews as a “people” or a “race,” then that is how one can be born a “Jew” and choose to become an atheist.

  115. LINDA says:

    Thank you Bill for clarifying that Jews are a race in some instances, and some instances not. Assimilation of Jews throughout history clouds the definition, and has been used as a double edged sword against those that criticize as being anti-semitic. It is one of the biggest frauds perpetuated against people that this world has ever seen in my opinion.

  116. Bill Simon says:

    The same can be said for hair-trigger sensitive Christians such as yourself, Linda. Any time someone criticizes or makes fun of someone who is Christian, you go off like a bottle rocket presuming that person is attacking ALL “Christians.”

    “Double-edged sword” indeed.

  117. LINDA says:

    I want to point out that I have a first cousin that was raised in the same Methodist Church that I attended, and he was very much raised Christian. This cousin of mine shocked the some of my family by declaring that he was agnostic several years ago, but I pray that he has since changed his beliefs.

    I also had a dear friend that attended the Lutheran Ministry to become a Lutheran Minister, and then he became very agnostic in his beliefs. This friend was born into a Christian family, and we debated religion sometimes for three hours on long distance phone calls. This was long before we could get unlimited long distance service. I was willing to pay for the high phone bills, and he paid for many of them, too. I am not a hate monger at all, and anyone that knows me knows that unequivocally.

    Anyway to the debate at hand, the voters will decide in July who the Republican nominee for Lt. Governor will be. May the most worthy canddidate win.

  118. LINDA says:

    Well Bill,

    You are the one who called Lynn Westmoreland a dumbass Republican for not being able to recite the Ten Commandments. Now if you had some real constructive criticism of him, then that would be a different matter. You have not seen me defending Ralph Reed have you? The story aboout Reed is too clouded by facts that are missing from the debate. I do not defend someone that may be guilty of a crime just because they are a Christian. You are comparing apples to oranges. You see in my belief structure, a Christian that supports the Ten Commandments being in public places, that cannot recite them verbatum has not committed a crime.

  119. Bill Simon says:


    Lynn wasn’t a dumbass merely because he couldn’t recite the Ten Commandments.

    He’s a dumbass for co-sponsoring a bill designed to force the posting of the Ten Commandments, and then getting caught NOT knowing what they even are.

    He’s a dumbass for making holier-than-thou statements on how important the Commandments are supposed to be to our society, but the fact that he couldn’t recite them implies he doesn’t care enough to know them for his own knowledge…he just thinks WE (as in, we citizens) should be forced to learn them while he doesn’t need to.

  120. Tater Tate says:

    Lord, it took a while to wade throuh this crap. Seriously, though, you Cagle folk need to stop whinning. Sadie did what she had to do. Ole Dave, or whoever he is, did something stupid. My guess is he was just naive and used by the Cagle crowd. Now it done cost him his chapter. Another casualty of the Cagle crap. Now ya’ll go on talking about that Jewish/Christian stuff.

  121. jacewalden says:


    I just want us to be clear on something…

    I’m not in high school.
    And I’m not a democrat.

    I’m not sure if you said that in jest or what…excuse my ignorance. But if you read the rest of my article, you will find that I am definately not a “high-school” democrat.



  122. MountainDawg says:

    Southern Conservative-Get your facts straight. Casey walked out on the anti-cloning vote and would have missed the vote had it not been for Sam Z? You have got to be kidding me. Typical of Reed supporters, you need to be reminded that another committee he is on was meeting at the same time. He did what he had to do, and made it back before the vote. In case you didn’t know, there are ways to get messages to Senators on committees that meet the same time if their vote is needed. By the way, Casey was the co-sponsor (2nd signer) of the same piece of legislation.

    Where was Reed at the same? No wonder 21 of the Senators asked Reed to get out of the race for the good of the party. Of course ya’ll wouldn’t understand that because Reed has never been an elected official. He was too busy in Washington selling his soul to the highest bidder.

    I’ve never met the guy down in Middle Georgia, but I hope he continues to work for Casey. This shows just how low they’ll go to win. Never mind that Sadie was quoted showing her support for Reed on his on fliers at the Christian Coalition event this year.

    As for Tim Echols, I’ve never been so disappointed in a piece of mail as I was last week. I like his group, and the kids get a great education by participating in TeenPact. It’s a terrible shame that he feels the need to get involved in that race. If Ralph Reed were a Democrat, Tim would be licking his chops at the opportunity to bring character and honor back to government. Does he think gays would actually be dumb enough to cross over in a Republican primary with all the competitive elections with all the competitive Democratic statewide races? Most Democrats can’t wait for Reed to get the Republican nomination. They believe Reed will do the same thing for Democrats that Cynthia McKinney and Ted Kennedy do the Republicans. They use him to raise more money, work a little harder, and yes, get out more votes.

  123. LINDA says:

    Dear Jacewalden,

    Sorry for the mistake. You are correct I did not take the time to read all of your article. I just looked at the heading and read a couple of lines.

  124. bowersville says:

    With all due respect, I quit reading your comments way on back up the line, but do you know that Jesus was/is a Jew? And at the time he walked the earth, he was addressed as Rabbi? I wouldn’t worry too much about the assimilation of Israel, that will happen dispite any religion or lack therof. Refer to your lexicons, preferably in Hebrew, discover. Your comments of being attacked on certain blogs for expressing Christian beliefs, quit casting pearls before swine.

    Back to the point at hand, Reed will probably do anything negative at this point to destroy Johnston, and others who voice opposition. How dare anyone speak out against Reed, be they Christian, Believers, Jews, Gays, etc. You will be rounded up and prosecuted.

  125. Bull Moose says:

    PLEASE GOD let July 18 get here already…

    When that happens, I cannot wait to welcome the Reed supporters on board the Casey Cagle Crew. They have displayed an amazing level of loyalty and will be an important part of the team as we move forward to victory in November.

    Let’s all keep in mind that the real goal is indeed to WIN in November, not just place in July.

    In that jest, remember that the best candidate in this race is the one without a criminal defense attorney, the one without the tiest to the ongoing corruption of Congress scandals in Washington, the one without the ties to Enron, the one without the record as a lobbyist for the Northern Mariana Island sweat shops, and finally the only candidate in this race who has not worked on behalf of online casinos.

    Indeed, the best candidate for the office of Lt. Governor is the candidate who has served in the State Senate. Who has served as Chairman of the Senate Finance Committee. The one who has been a REAL small business leader in his community. The candidate that actually walks his talk and doesn’t live his life as a double standard.

    We just can’t gamble on our future, remember, Casey Cagle on July 18.

  126. debbie0040 says:

    Bull Moose, I can not wait until July 18th is here. We will see which of us is right about the election – Reed supporters or Cagle supporters.

    I am really looking forward to it.

    After Ralph’s victory, we will welcome you aboard the Reed Revolution.

    Cagle did serve in the Senate and voted on and introduced bills that profited the banking industry and him. Conflict of interest.

    Cagle is a coward and weak. He is ethically and truth challenged.

  127. Demonbeck says:


    I thinks she means that you were born into a high school Democrat family and chose to become a Republican. Just be glad she didn’t call you a Jew, but that would be utterly confusing.

  128. Demonbeck says:

    Personally, I don’t blame all of society’s faults on Jews, I single out Mel Brooks for that honor.

    Why do you think Al Brooks is so neurotic?

  129. Demonbeck says:

    To my knowledge, they aren’t. They are merely part of those atheist Jews for Jesus.

    Plus, I just like lumping all Jews into one pile of world-dominance and problem creation. You guys run NOW, the ADL, AIPAC and the ACLU. Linda told me so.

  130. Bill Simon says:

    But, we don’t run the NFL or the NCAA or the NAACP or, even the SEC…we’ll get there soon enough, though. As soon as we get these horns shaved down a bit more so we can put on football helmets…

  131. Demonbeck says:

    I just have to make sure that everyone else realizes that. It is quite evident that there are quite a few posters on PP who have no common sense.

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