676,000

That is the number of registered voters in Georgia that the state estimates do not have valid drivers licenses.  There is no doubt that a bunch of people will be turned away at the polls on July 18.

25 comments

  1. The Busdriver says:

    Boy, I guess these poors souls (insert faux empathy here) will just have to take advantage of one of the millions ways available to get a free ID prior to voting.

  2. Tater Tate says:

    I think Republicans are only expecting 500,000 or so to vote in the primary. Doubt those 676,000 will show up there.

    Maybe the Democrat primary will have a bit more of a problem though. If there are 676,000, and that sounds like a rediculously high number, I’m sure they’ll be voting “D.”

    In reality, if this number is anywhere near correct, most of these people probably do not vote period and if they don’t have a photo id they shouldn’t.

  3. jacewalden says:

    Decaturguy,

    There are other forms of I.D. that these people could produce.

    One person should equal one vote. The Voter ID Bill is a good first step in ensuring this principle is fulfilled.

  4. Booray says:

    Give me a break – almost 10% of the population are registered voters but don’t have a driver’s license or state ID? Not a chance (especially since figures produced outside the heat of the campaign estimate hundreds of thousands more Georgians have drivers’ licenses than are registered to vote).

    Seeing as how the beleaguered Cathy Cox is the source of the numbers (and needs a jump start with black voters), I think we should take this with a 25 lb bag of salt.

  5. Chris says:

    That is the number of registered voters in Georgia that the state estimates do not have valid drivers licenses.

    And how many of that 670k are elegible to vote? Registered != elegible.

  6. Bill Simon says:

    “676” is bizarrely close to “666” and “616,” depending on your belief in the correct number for the Devil.

    I think an earthquake is headed toward Georgia this year…

  7. buzzbrockway says:

    From his “Million Man March” speech:

    “In the background is the Jefferson and Lincoln Memorial, each one of these monuments is 19 feet high.”

    “Abraham Lincoln, the sixteenth president. Thomas Jefferson, the third president, and 16 and three make 19 again. What is so deep about this number 19? Why are we standing on the Capitol steps today? That number 19 — when you have a nine you have a womb that is pregnant. And when you have a one standing by the nine, it means that there’s something secret that has to be unfolded.”

    and then this:

    “The first four letters of the word form the foundation; “a-t-o-n”. . . “a-ton”, “a-ton”. Since this obelisk in front of us is representative of Egypt. In the 18th dynasty, a Pharaoh named Akhenaton, was the first man of this history period to destroy the pantheon of many gods and bring the people to the worship of one god. And that one god was symboled by a sun disk with 19 rays coming out of that sun with hands holding the Egyptian Ankh – the cross of life. A-ton. The name for the one god in ancient Egypt. A- ton, the one god. 19 rays. Look at your scripture.

    and more…

    You’re dead, Black man. But if you believe in the god who created this sun of truth and of light with 19 rays, meaning he’s pregnant with God’s spirit, God’s life, God’s wisdom. Abraham Lincoln’s statue, 19 feet high, 19 feet wide. Jefferson, 19 feet high, 16 (OFF-MIKE) and the third president, 19. Standing on the steps of the Capitol, in the light of the sun. Offering life to a people who are dead.

  8. Mike Hassinger says:

    That number smells fishy. And that was truly a lame piece of journalism. The “analysis” was a comparison of the registered voter database against the database of Georgians who currently hold a valid drivers’ license or a photo ID.

    http://www.sos.state.ga.us/pressrel/061906.htm

    It compared the 4.9 million “active and inactive” registered voters and found that about 606,000 registered voters had no matching record in the Department of Driver Services database, and that another 70,000 either “active or inactive” registered voters had suspended, revoked or surrendered drivers’ licenses. They looked for a match on three criteria: last name, date of birth and social security number.

    Well, my SSN is not on my drivers’ license. Help, I’m disenfranchised!

    Could it be that the Driver Services database is inaccurate? Or maybe it lags behind the SOS database? Secretary of State is supposedly updating the State voter file monthly, to allow for people who have moved, died, been convicted of a crime, etc. Does the State DDS also do this? How many of those 606,000 got married, changed their names and registered to vote -but don’t have new voter registration yet? Or worse yet, how many of those 606,000 are fraudulently registered voters?

    Chris is Hardcore -help me out here. What’s an “inactive voter?” Do they just lie there? And does anybody know how many voter records or driver records are “in play” (in the process of moving, changing your name, getting married or convicted, etc.,) at any given time?

  9. Mike Hassinger says:

    BTW, it’s the number 676,000 that smells fishy, not 19. I have no problems with the number 19.

  10. buzzbrockway says:

    IIRC, an “inactive voter” is someone who has not voted in several elections. In Gwinnett, they are sent a letter and given a chance to respond before they are removed from the registered voter list.

    I think the number of inactive voters in Gwinnett hovers around 30,000 at any given time – WAY more than 19.

  11. Mike Hassinger says:

    So an “inactive voter” may have moved, lost interest in politics, (I know it’s weird, but some people just do) decided not to risk being called for jury duty, or whatever, and just stopped voting. For how long? At what point do they become a non-registered voter? If you’ve got 30,019 “inactive” registered voters in in Gwinnett County, are they more or less likely to have a drivers’ license?

  12. bowersville says:

    How does one become one of the 676K to be turned away by not having a picture ID. This is a mystery to me. Decatur guy, please explain this phenomena to me! How does this happen?

  13. buzzbrockway says:

    Here’s the Georgia code on the subject:

    21-2-234 says this:

    (2) In the first six months of each odd-numbered year, the Secretary of State shall identify all electors whose names appear on the list of electors with whom there has been no contact during the preceding three calendar years and who were not identified as changing addresses under Code Section 21-2-233. The confirmation notice described in this Code section shall be sent to each such elector during each odd-numbered year. Such notices shall be sent by forwardable, first-class mail.

    The elector has 30 days to respond and if no response is given they are placed in the inactive list.

    21-2-235
    says:

    (b) An elector placed on the inactive list of electors shall remain on such list until the day after the second November general election held after the elector is placed on the inactive list of electors. If the elector makes no contact, as defined in Code Section 21-2-234, during that period, the elector shall be removed from the inactive list of electors.

    I would expect most people placed on the inactive list have moved.

    Check this out:

    Cox’s analysis used “active and inactive” voters. However, 21-2-235 instructs the SoS not to use the inactive voter list to compute things like the number of ballots needed, how many voting machines are needed and to compute the size of precincts.

    Why then did the analysis use inactive voters to determine who’s getting screwed by the voter ID law? Those people have not voted in three years and, while they are allowed to show up and vote this year, they most likely will not because most of them have probably moved out of the State.

    Perhaps Cathy Cox should tell us how many active voters do not the have proper ID to vote since that is the real issue here. The fact they lumped active and inactive voters together suggests to me not many active voters have a problem.

  14. bowersville says:

    BuzzBW,
    Good analogy, however, DecaturGuy, maybe you can give an analogy of of your numbers, if you please!

  15. Decaturguy says:

    “How does one become one of the 676K to be turned away by not having a picture ID. This is a mystery to me. Decatur guy, please explain this phenomena to me! How does this happen?”

    I’m not sure that I really understand the crux of your question, Bowersville, but I’ll give it a shot. And I’m not the one who came up with those numbers, but I believe that they are pretty accurate. Just think about it. Georgia is a big state. You’ve got poor people who can’t afford a car and, thus, do not drive, and rely on public transportation. You’ve got disabled people who are incapable of operating a car and, thus, do not drive. You’ve got old people who may no longer drive or who, maybe, have never driven. These people, by and large, do not have a “valid” photo ID. Do you really think the folks at the bank care whether the old lady’s license expired a couple of years ago?

    These people, who do not follow the news as closely as you or I, will show up to the polls next month, will not have a valid ID, and will be told they cannot vote. There is absolutely no question about it that is going to happen. Thousands of people will be disenfranchised.

  16. jacewalden says:

    “These people, who do not follow the news as closely as you or I, will show up to the polls next month, will not have a valid ID, and will be told they cannot vote.”

    Ignorance to the law is no excuse. It’s very reasonable to expect someone voting in a U.S. election to have a verifiable photo I.D. Old people and poor people should not get special treatment on this issue. Besides, Decaturguy, the VoterID is issued for Free!

  17. techtrack says:

    decaturguy,
    i thought i read that an expired drivers license was valid. it is hard to believe that with about 9.2 million poeple in ga, that 678,000 fall into the categories that you describe

  18. Decaturguy says:

    techtrak,

    It looks like you are right. It looks like the General Assembly amended the law to take the word “valid” out listing a drivers license as an acceptable form of ID to vote. Now it only says “A Georgia driver’s license which was properly issued by the appropriate state agency.” So, presumably, an expired Georgia driver’s license would work.

    Other forms of ID listed still must be “valid” and therefore, not expired.

    UGAMatthew,

    I value suffrage the most. That is why I think it is dispicable to place barriers to voting that are going to disenfranchise a large group of people that might not be as privileged as you or I. Being able to rent a movie or buy a beer is not a Constitutional right, but voting is.

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