Reed Mail [UPDATED]

We’ve got campaign pr0n for all you guys: The latest Ralph Reed mailer (PDF). Unfortunately the slacker who sent it to me 😉 sent it in black and white instead of pretty color. We won’t hold it against him this time.

[UPDATE]: I got it this afternoon and have scanned the color version. Follow the same link, but be warned — it’s a larger file now.

59 comments

  1. The Busdriver says:

    Good grief, this guy can’t even put out a simple mail piece without lying!

    Ralph writes, “Growing up in the North Georgia Mountains, I learned early the values of faith, family, and freedom.

  2. jsm says:

    Boy, the Ralphers must be so proud–twisting the truth to smear your opponent. It’s sad when a man has to do that to counter the plain truth coming from his opponent.

  3. 4ofspades says:

    Better watch it Erick. Someone is going to slam you for putting up Ralph’s mail, but not Casey’s first piece 🙂

  4. SouthernConservative says:

    I forgot about that. Well, Ralph pays Erick $10k a month to slant the PP towards him, so it doesn’t matter:-P You can find evidence of Erick’s being paid on the disclosures Ralph files with the Nevada Gaming Commission.

    The piece was good. It’ll be interesting to see how the truth affects the next few polls that come out. It’ll also be interesting to see how Casey reacts to getting a taste of his own medicine. It will be most interesting of all, noting that there’s nothing on this piece about Cagle’s 33 banker’s votes, to see how Ralph brings that aspect of the campaign to the voters. I predict a big ouch.

  5. Jack S says:

    He’s so fake. His tan, his “I’m from ga routine”, that silly truck.

    Can the guy tell the truth about anything?

  6. Fiddes says:

    (Yeah, didn’t Will Smith write a song about that city? When Reed hears it, I’m sure this is what he hears…)

    I only came for two days of playing
    But everytime I come I always wind up stayin
    This the type of town I could spend a few days in
    Toccoa: the city that keeps the roof blazin

    (Chorus)

    Party in the city where the heat is on
    All night on the mountain till the break of dawn
    Welcome to Toccoa
    Buenvenidos a Toccoa
    Bouncin in the club where the heat is on
    All night on the mountain till the break of dawn
    Im goin to Toccoa
    Welcome to Toccoa

  7. The Busdriver says:

    Thoroughly enjoyed SouthernConservatives non-response response.

    I expected debate shifting from the Ralpholytes.

    Would a Ralph supporter please explain the difference in what Ralph claimed in his book, and what he’s claiming now? Please?

  8. GAWire says:

    Hey, just because I am a busy guy and can’t take the time to figure out how to work the color scanner in my office doesn’t mean that I don’t have time get a jab in on Ralph.

    Content aside, the piece had quality. Now, if voters care more about the fact that Ralph isn’t communicating anything important, than the glossiness (and let’s hope they do), then it won’t be very effective.

    As far as I know, this is Ralph’s first mail piece and it was a negative one. Not a very good intro to new voters to say, “hey, I’m a schmoozy political operative talking smack about a sitting and endorsed State Senator, but I have my three endorsements shown below and a bunch of other stuff you don’t care about, but vote for me, please … that’s me with the goofy smile – you might have seen me before in pictures with Jack Abramoff before we boarded the private jet to play golf in Scotland with unethically raised funds.” Boy, that says a lot, I guess!

    One thing about the color, though – in the comparison section, Ralph is in blue and Casey is in Red – that’s subtle ID for Casey. It shows Casey in GOP red, which is also his campaign’s colors. Finally, it shows Casey Cagle, period. Whether it is negative or not – that is free campaigning for Casey, and for existing Casey supporters, that is only going to get them going stronger. The only thing this will do is rally Ralph’s existing base – it won’t get any new voters.

  9. northside elephant says:

    This is a fairly unusual piece in that it is a hit piece, feel-good piece, comparison, endorsement all in one. Most professionals keep it simple and abide by the rule of 3 -no more than 3 pieces of information at a time.

    It is a bit schizophrenic really.

    GOOD EYE GAwire, the red-blue scheme is a sublte but important detail.

  10. tobin smith says:

    Let the fun begin . . .

    I got pieces from both Cagle and Reed today and the contrasts are significant. Reed boasts endorsements from Zell Miller, Newt Gingrich, and Lynn Westmoreland. Cassey has his pastor or a minister. Both are ok introduction pieces, but I think side by side, Reed’s is the more appealing and has a better chance of getting more than the usual 10 seconds.

    The comparison of positions is well done, tasteful, and does not seem like a negative attack at all. It simply contrasts positions. Cagle followers better get use to learning more about how their guy voted. That is fair game and it will get out. When it does, Cagle implodes, or at least that is my predicition.

  11. The Busdriver says:

    Tobin, excellent analysis. You’ve accurately broken down the major difference in the race between Ralph and Casey: style versus substance.

    Ralph is the emporer, and he has no clothes.

  12. Sandy Brothers says:

    Got Reed yesterday, Cagle today. Don’t know how much of this stuff gets read, but there will obviously be no objective thoughts on this blog.

    I do think Reed’s piece was more attractive from a design point of view. The layout made me want to look further. I, too, though the contrast between the candidates was done in a way that would not offend.

    The offence is likely to come when potential voters learn that Cagle gave Taylor a cool thousand and missed a key vote on property rights. Wasn’t aware of the difference of opinion of the state budget.

    I don’t know who is doing their mail, but I think Cagle was outclassed on this round.

  13. northside elephant says:

    Tobin I do agree that it will get more than the cursory glance on its way to the trash can. After months of bad headlines and Lisa Barron’s “no comment” voters are ready to learn something about Reed!

    “FBI agent connects Reed, Rep. Ney to Abramoff case

  14. GAWire says:

    tobin, I’m not attacking you b/c I agree that votes are certainly fair game, but if Ralph wants to do a true comparison piece, let’s think about how that will look for a minute …

    ITEM: Casey Cagle served in the GA State Senate – Ralph Reed has been served notifications of investigations into his previous business dealings by the DOJ

    ITEM: Casey Cagle has made X number of votes furthering the conservative agenda in Georgia – Ralph Reed made X amount of dollars for himself by unethically misleading Native American clients about his professional fees.

    ITEM: Casey Cagle has the endorsements of almost every sitting GOP elected official at all levels of state gov’t – Ralph Reed is endorsement by every GOP individual that is currently involved in a scandal

    ITEM: Casey Cagle has always shown clear leadership on the issues, as he has been elected numerous times to represent Georgians – Ralph Reed has always shown a pattern of unethical behavior, ever since college, as he has never been elected, selected, or hardly approved for any official role at any level of government or politics, with the exception of the College Republicans.

    ITEM: Casey Cagle has always stood by the Republican Party and has worked tirelessly to further GOP efforts – Ralph Reed has attacked, slandered, and unethically challenged numerous members of the GOP with below-the-belt tactics to his own Party leaders

    ITEM: Casey Cagle has a record of leadership in his personal life, in business, and as a public servant – Ralph Reed has shown questionable leadership skills leading the GA GOP, while attempting to take credit for all successes and accomplishments of others during his tenure at the State Party.

    Should I go on?

    Talk about leaving yourself open – Ralph is kidding himself.

  15. grassrootsguy says:

    GAWire–the difference between you and me is that I believe, no I know all of that to be bull-sh*t. If you want to join the liberal media in their kill Reed agenda then go ahead, but I don’t think Ralph is evil incarnate as many on this blog do. Yes, he has made his living around politics. Get a life. I don’t fault him for that. This is not a busines for angels and choirboys. Mr. Cagle doesn’t fit that high standard either, if that’s what you demand.

    And Busdriver I was a military brat. I grew up in several places I could call home. Surely you’re not so silly as to try to make an issue out of whether it is Miami where he lived for a time or North Georgia where his family was from and he went to high school. Give me a break.

  16. northside elephant says:

    Grassrootsguy, Ralph slipped something into your Kool-aid so I don’t expect you to get tripped up on silly things like “facts”.

    It is the typical Republican primary voter that does not trust (or particularly like) the divisive and scandal-plauged lobbyist.

  17. GAWire says:

    grassroots, thanks for your education about the ethical lax in the business of politics. I’ll be sure to write that into my Polisci 1001 notebook to share with my College Republican chapter at the next social mixer.

    I’ll also be sure to remember that this – whatever this is – is not a business for angels and choirboys, and I’ll go ahead and lower my standards b/c of this remarkable point.

    As for as what you know to be blah, blah, blah … what exactly did I say above in the comparison section that isn’t accurate? Tell me what you KNOW isn’t accurate, and I’ll show you the proof that it is. And, if I can’t show you, I know someone who can.

    Also, apparently you are mistaken to think that the liberal media are the only ones against Ralph. But, where do all of those Georgia elected officials that have asked Ralph to drop out of the race come into play? What about the thousands of Republicans that know the truth about Ralph and do not support him? The liberal media is the least of Ralph’s problems, friend.

    And just FYI, in case you didn’t catch on to my sarcasm above, I know what the business of politics is like – you learn a few things after years in it. Guess what … I have made my living around politics, too. The difference is, I don’t do it unethically. I don’t mislead my clients. I don’t lie to clients to profit off of their misfortunes. I don’t mislead my supporters to profit off of their loss. I don’t try to take others’ credit to make myself look better. I don’t mislead the government by voilating spending restrictions and failing to file the proper disclosures. I don’t profit by attacking fellow Republicans personally. I don’t work with others who might have questionable ethical standards. So, there is a difference – and it isn’t the business that made Ralph who he is. It isn’t the business that made him do things that were wrong. It isn’t the business, my friend … it’s Ralph.

  18. northside elephant says:

    “It isn’t the business, my friend … it’s Ralph.”

    I agree. Most Reed supporters don’t realize the disastrous campaigns that he and his buddy Linda Hamrick have consulted on in the recent past.

  19. SOUTHERNCOMFORT says:

    SC,TS AND SB, YOU CLOWNS ARE THE BIGGEST SUCKERS BUT I GUESS AS BARNUM SAID THERE’S ONE BORN EVERYDAY AND OLE RALPHIE RAISES THEM TO BE LITTLE ROBOTS.. YOU GUYS PLEASE TO TELL AFTER JULY18TH YOU WILL GO FOR COUNSELING…

  20. grassrootsguy says:

    northside elephant–you are a typical Cagle supporter. All you do is insult the messenger. But I have been working for Reed-walking precincts for weeks. That’s what I do. I am not a professional like GAWIRE who is apparently willing to join with the liberal media in trying to destroy a Republican who has done so much for nearly 30 years to get our party where it is today. I work for our candidates. And I can tell you the vast majority of our primary voters are not buying the liberal media/Cagle crap. They don’t read or care about what the AJC says. But they do understand a campaign contribution to Taylor or a missed critical vote on something as critical as eminent domain.

    GAWIRE–you are interpreting Ralph’s work in a negative light only because it suites your purpose. I have worked on many capaigns, sometimes very negative ones, but it would never occur to me to think that my opponents were evil or that their consultants or advisors were evil for making money.

    I don’t think making money is evil. I don’t think many Republicans do. Is that your point? Ralph made money off of his political connections? He would have been a dumb ass not to have taken advantage of his connections. This is America for God’s sake. I think many of the Cagle people are simply jealous of his success. Bottom line is they don’t want Reed to come in and upset their little party now that we have a majority in Georgia.

    I think we need Reed, because without him I fear Republicans will become just like the democrats before them and probably like some of the Republicans in DC now. Lynn Westmoreland’s endorsement speaks volumes to me. If Lynn, who is my hero in DC, is not bothered by your trumped up charges then I am not.

  21. jacewalden says:

    Jesus Tap-Dancing Christ,

    Here we go again!

    I know I’ve been pretty vocal in the RR vs. CC debate, but I’m about sick of it.

    I have a question. Has anyone’s position, whether you were for RR or CC been changed by anything that anyone has written on here? Did anyone switch sides due to the debate on this issue?

    I’m not attacking the RR v CC threads. In fact, I enjoy them. I’m just curious though.

    Cagle ’06

  22. Jack S says:

    The issue isn’t his tan, or his truck, or growing up elsewhere or calling his selling out “advising fortune 500 companies”…..its that everything he says is half true or a flat out deception. Everything.

    Nothing wrong with being raised outside ga. But putting on the front of your mailer that you grew up here when you clearly didn’t – that’s the problem.

    Ralph would have a decent story to tell if he would just stop lying. But I don’t think he can. He’s genetically wired to lie. Its really sad.

  23. northside elephant says:

    “Accused men are often attractive. It’s a remarkable phenomenon, almost a natural law.” -Kafka

  24. landman says:

    Ralph opens his mail campaign with a hit piece surprise,surprise.The question is why?Its pretty much Politics 101 to define yourself then define your opponent.Could the answer be after he conducted his polling last week he realizes that he is getting beat and must go negative further sealing his destiny?It appears so.

    I agree with Jack S it seems the truth is not in Ralph regardless of the subject he must stretch or alter the truth,very very sad,although I dont blame him I would much rather be from North Ga. than Dade County,Fl.

  25. Bull Moose says:

    I’m hearing the same thing Landman… That Ralph’s own numbers show him getting beat and that his only way to even come close to winning is to demonize his opponent and draw down the number of voters in the primary so that his zealots are the only ones who vote…

    It’s sad. Our state deserves better than this kind of crap.

    What’s funny, is on private property rights, Ralph fails to mention that Casey was one of the lead Senator’s in pushing through Governor Perdue’s efforts to curb eminent domain. Also, I guess since Eric Johnson gave $1000 to Mark Taylor too, he isn’t helping build the Republican Party of Georgia.

    But the thing about Ralph’s mailer that is the most damning in my eyes is that he literally LIES about where he grew up. Tacoma and Maimi are miles apart, you’d think he’d know the difference… Oh well, telling the truth has never been Ralph’s calling card, why start now?

    I beg the people on this site to see Ralph Reed for what he is… a snake oil salesman at best…

  26. GAWire says:

    >>”””I don’t think making money is evil.”””

    Firstly, it isn’t making money that I have a problem with … it’s making money by misleading your clients that just bugs me some.

    Second, it’s not about someone being “evil”. It has everything to with Ralph’s lack of leadership, ethics, and decision making ability, along with his history of questionable behavior. He’s just not right, and while Casey Cagle might not be a choirboy or angel, as you put it, he certainly is a better choice for Lt. Governor.

  27. duluthmom says:

    “It has everything to with Ralph’s lack of leadership, ethics, and decision making ability, along with his history of questionable behavior.”

    I agree to all of this except leadership because sadly he has some followers. As a neighbor (yeah aren’t I lucky?), I personally have seen his campaign (either Ralph or someone in his immediate family) break two rules re: solicitation despite written warnings. If he hadn’t lost my vote before then, that certainly cinched it.

  28. Bull Moose says:

    Duluthmom, I’m sorry you have to be his neighbor, but I guess you’ve seen first hand how he drives a fancy sports car, but yet tells voters down South in our state that he drives a truck (which he now leases).

    Anyway, getting away from this being a personality issue, my issue with Ralph is that he plain and simple lacks any legislative experience and all he appears to know are rhetorical positions. There’s a difference between talking points and experience.

    Also, I don’t think you can overlook the fact that Reed has a criminal defense attorney on retainer. If he’s done nothing wrong, why have a criminal defense attorney??? If any of you Reed people know the answer, please let me know…

  29. jackson says:

    Line of the month.Hilarious. No question:

    “I think we need Reed, because without him I fear Republicans will become just like the democrats before them and probably like some of the Republicans in DC now.”

    Uh, have you been paying attention to the news over the last year. Most of our problems stem from the corruption in office — much of which touches on Reed and what he has been doing.

    We dont need people that lack character and ethics, no matter how conservative they are. The ends DO NOT justify the means. We need honest, ethical people that will make the RIGHT decisions when NO ONE is looking.

  30. George Allen 08 says:

    Busdriver – if that’s a crack about Ralph living in Miami, fine, I’ll deal with that in a minute. If you’re asking a legitimate question, then why would Ralph’s truck have Florida plates? I was under the assumption it’s on lease from Lou Sobh (who has been attacked on here before for his immigration stance by Cagle people).

    Ralph lived all over the place because his father was in the US Navy, which required their family to move a lot. If you’re not going to vote for Ralph Reed because part of his youth was spent outside of Georgia, then you’re just being ridiculous.

    Nevertheless, Busdriver, it is possible for people to live in several states during childhood. I’ve seen it happen. I’ve seen the moving trucks. You simply can’t say that Ralph Reed didn’t grow up in Georgia just because he moved here.

  31. Jack S says:

    No, Cayman Island plates.

    GA08, you’re kidding me. You’re not this stupid are you?

    No one has said it’s a problem that Ralph grew up outside of Georgia.

    But on the front of his mailer, Ralph says HE GREW UP IN NORTH GEORGIA. He did NOT! He grew up in Miami. Bus was quoting RALPH in his own books saying he grew up in MIAMI. Miami is not in north Georgia. it’s not in Georgia at all. I felt compelled to point that out. since you’re having a hard time with English, i figured geography was a bigger problem.

    Ralph was old enough to drive here. And almost old enough to gamble in some indian casinos up in north carolina.

    All he has to say is like a lot of folks I was an army brat and moved here when I was in high school and fell in love with this great state. that isn’t hard. and it’s just as compelling.

    instead he lies. he lies because he has to, it’s a compulsion.

    Ralph Reed is a fraud.

  32. Maurice Atkinson says:

    I had an opportunity to speak in Cobb County on behalf of Senator Cagle tonight. The crowd was outstanding. The audience was probably evenly split or even perhaps 60% Cagle.

    What I found interesting is Ralph’s double speak. Ralph has an ambitious plan, but who is going to pay for it?

    Furthermore, Ralph anticipates the illegals will all just go home once his immigration reform plan is implemented. That is one of the most hysterical things I heard since Simon’s post of the congressman’s gaffe over the Ten Commandments.

    I also got word from a good friend that Tim Echols sent a mailing with newspaper clippings saying gays were in mass going to vote in the Republican Primary. So Ralphie is up to the “fear factor” again. I guess bad habits die hard. Ralph may have been successful in smearing Mc Cain and Senator Day but I don’t think the voters are buying it this time.

  33. northside elephant says:

    Back to the original issue: the mail piece. It seems to support the idea that Ralph’s internal polling is showing big problems.

    I disagree with the idea that Ralph’s intention is to decrease turnout. Substantial academic research proves that negative campaigns do not decrease turnout. Negative campaigns generaly reinforce previously held beliefs and inform undecided voters! That is what will sink Ralph, the huge number of undecideds.

  34. landman says:

    One of my favorite movie lines comes from the classic Outlaw Josey Wells when Josey says “… don’t”Pi** down my back and tell me its raining….” well that seems to be Ralphs core strategy for this campaign,and Georgians are not buying it.

    Maurice I agree Reeds scare tactics will not work this go round,try as he may the people of this Great State are not buying it.I reflect back about what I posted awhile ago when I made the statement on here that Ralph was as strong as he was going to be the day he announced and that he was in a box, and that box now is getting smaller and smaller.

    Cagles momentum grows daily and it becomes clearer and clearer that he will be the next LT.GOV.of Georgia,he picked up an entire County Commission Board minus one(Democrat) on the Coast Monday and the Cagle Train steams on…

    Northside E,I understand Ralphs polling showed Cagle leading by nine points statewide and that Ralph’s areas of strength for him ie Middle and South Ga. are trending toward Cagle.This means you should look for Ralph to go negative from here on out as the writing is on the wall.

    I will leave you with the old saying that some people would rather climb a tree and tell a lie than sit under it and tell the truth,well this seems to be the Reed teams core strategy,unfortunately I understand McEhannon just bought a chainsaw……

  35. SouthernConservative says:

    I’m going to try something. I don’t know if it will work, but I’m going to try to post something in the same tone/style/mode of landman, Bull Moose, Demonbeck, Larry Smith, Jack S, Northside E, Maurice, Jackson, and Busdriver. Here goes…

    Unfortunately for all of you stupid people who are voting for Cagle, Ralph Reed’s steam continues to grow and build. Contrary to popular opinion on this site, Ralph is going to steamroll over Casey on election day.

    Ralph’s internal polling consistently shows Ralph 9 points ahead of Casey statewide. Cagle’s mudslinging won’t work, people in Georgia won’t buy into that kind of crybaby crap. They want a leader, not a cryer. They want someone who will support their conservative principles, not someone who compulsively caves into peer pressure and support Democrats and forgets about their private property rights.

    The end of the issue, folks, is that it comes down to character. The voters of Georgia deserve, and they know they deserve, someone who will stand strong and represent them in any situation, even when they’re not looking. They can’t count on Cagle, he’s a compulsive waffler, and they know it.

    Awe, shucks, I just realized something – I sounded just like Debbie!

    Some of ya’ll are just mind boggling….

  36. The Busdriver says:

    Southern, you left out Bill Simon. He thinks Ralph is a dishonest sack of crap too.

  37. SouthernConservative says:

    Bus – left Bill out on purpose. He doesn’t write like that. Neither does Jace Walden or GaWire. Most of the time 😀

  38. SouthernConservative says:

    Which reminds me, I should clarify thusly – I haven’t a problem in the world with the opinion itself, just the manner in which it’s being expressed.

  39. RealConservative says:

    You know what, SC? You’re right. You sound JUST like Debbie. And every other Reed supporter I’ve met. That’s what turned me off to him–you can tell a lot about people by who they surround themselves with, and those of Reed’s followers whom I’ve had the chance to meet–hundreds–have all consistently been mean, nasty, and completely out for themselves at any cost.

  40. SouthernConservative says:

    RealConservative – um, in case you didn’t notice, that entire post was in jest. That wasn’t a true portrayal of how I view the race. I was mimicking certain other parties on this site who seem to be consumed with venom laced rhetoric and spin, rather than a focus on realizing and contrasting facts, logic, reality, and political theory.

  41. Maurice Atkinson says:

    SC, I don’t believe I have ever demeaned someone for supporting Reed. I do take issue with saying Cagle is a compulsive waffler. I think the contrary has born out to be quite evident. The facts speak for themselves.

    I also take issue with Ralph crediting himself with changing Georgia’s political landscape. Yes, Ralph was instrumental in the 2 years he served, but what does that say for the masses who spent years putting the foundations of this Party in Georgia? The Party has never been a one man show and never will be.

  42. debbie0040 says:

    Bullmoose and Landman, I don’t where you got your information about the internal polling of the Reed campaign but what you posted is an OUTRIGHT FABRICATION and you know it!!! Another example of outright lies being spread by the Cagle campaign. Shows your desparation.I can tell you the Reed campaign feels pretty good about their polling data now.

    Real Conservative/Brian, Reed supporters mean and nasty? Out for themselves at any cost? You just described Casey Cagle and his supporters. You need to look in the mirror. Cagle supporters started the negative mud slinging.
    By the way Southern Conservative, I would love for us to focus just on the facts and leadership qualities or lack of leadership qualities both candidates have. Unfortunately there are some that don’t want to do that. They want to bash Reed. If that is the kind of game they want to play, so be it. Two can play that game.

    Maurice, I was at that meeting in Cobb. It was not 60% Cagle. Reed got by far the most applause from the audience.

    It is pretty hypocritical for a Cagle supporter to be talking about smear campaigns or scare tactics. That is the hallmark of the Cagle Campaign.

    I don’t think Cagle is a waffler. A Waffler is someone that changes their stand on issues. I think Cagle is just weak and a coward that caves in to pressure and vote contrary to what he believes.

    As far as Ralph’s statements about the illegals going home, here is an article in the AJC that does prove what Reed was saying. Now who is hysterical?

    BYLINE: BRIAN FEAGANS
    DATE: May 14, 2006
    PUBLICATION: Atlanta Journal-Constitution, The (GA)
    EDITION: Main; The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
    SECTION: Gwinnett News
    PAGE: J1

    Day laborer Orlando Rojas, standing in the Dunkin’ Donuts parking lot near Norcross, stared down as the Gwinnett Police officer lectured him about loitering.

    “You come back here again,” said Cpl. Scott Pihera, tapping the hood of his squad car, “you go with me.”

    Rojas, 41, stuffed a written warning into his pocket as if it were the last straw. “I’m leaving,” said Rojas, a native of Peru. “To the north, maybe to Montana.”

    If so, Rojas will join what some believe is an emerging exodus of the state’s most mobile illegal immigrants after crackdowns — both real and imagined — in Georgia.

    The boot-clad day laborers, many of whom are in the country illegally, have nearly disappeared from two of the usual spots along Powder Springs Road in Cobb County. Their numbers are down significantly at some, but not all, gathering spots in Gwinnett. That includes the lot by Dunkin’ Donuts, which has roughly a third as many laborers as usual, restaurant staffers said.

    Police aren’t focusing on the laborers more now, said Rojas and other day laborers. It’s the employers who have changed. Crew chiefs have grown increasingly skittish about hiring illegal immigrants, they said, prompting more workers to try places like Florida and New Orleans instead.

    “I think people are just moving to another state,” said Maria Garcia, who runs a labor hall in Duluth as director of Hispanic Community Support. About half the usual number of workers are seeking jobs at the converted warehouse, Garcia said.

  43. Bull Moose says:

    Oh dear, you know you can throw logic and common sense out the window when Debbie comes on here towing the Reed line…

    Gosh Debbie, if Reed’s so innocent, why does he need a criminal defense attorney? Care to take a stab at that issue?

    If Reed has nothing to hide why not reveal his clients?

    If Reed has nothing to worry about in his campaign Debbie, then why did he start by going negative?

    Come on Debbie, provide me with answers. I’ll give you some time so you can check in with the campaign to get your talking points on these issues.

  44. northside elephant says:

    Check this out Debbie, Reed’s own words tripping him up again.

    In January of 2004, Reed told a national talk show audience that granting a blanket amnesty to all illegal aliens in the U.S. was a “responsible policy” because ” we have got eight to 12 million illegal aliens in our country right now” and “we need to know who these folks are.” (Ralph Reed, MSNBC, January 21, 2004).

  45. debbie0040 says:

    Bullmoose, you make up facts as you go along. You told an outright LIE when you talked about internal Reed polling data. Truth doesn’t mean a thing to Cagle supporters. You are really pathetic.

    Cagle went negative first, Reed just responded back in kind. Smart political campaigning. You Cagle supporters can dish it out but can not take it given back to you.

    As far as the criminal defense attorney, Dick Cheney has one. What crime did he commit? It is common practice and you know that fact as well.

    Northside elephant, you leave out a very important detail. Reed was Southeastern Regional Chairman of the Bush Cheney campaign at that time and he was articulating Bush’s position. I say again, facts don’t mean a thing to Cagle supporters. They are so full of hatred and jealousy of Reed, they are blinded by a little thing called truth.

  46. Maurice Atkinson says:

    Debbie, of course Reed received applause. He talked about the president and the war on terror. Do you think these people are that disrespectful? Of course not.

    Cagle’s strong support was undeniable, as was Reed’s. I stood up front and in this situation you were definitely in the minority, but not by much. This was a class audience. I’m certainly glad I was able to attend.

  47. GAWire says:

    “””they are blinded by a little thing called truth”””

    Who taught Ralph Reed about that “little thing called truth?” Was it Jack Abramoff or Michael Scanlon?

  48. debbie0040 says:

    We were not in the minority. There were Cobb GOP officers there and officers of the Women’s Club that did not have stickers on that support Reed. I was one of them. We did not wear stickers because of the type of event it was.

    Who taught Cagle about the little thing called truth? Bill Clinton and his spin machine perhaps?

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