Lt. Governor – Peach Pick

Given the tilt of the front page here at Peach Pundit, this will probably not come as a surprise. The Peach Pick for the Republican nomination is Casey Cagle. What should come as a surprise is that, like with the Handel v. Stephens race, it was a one vote majority. Given what I thought were the biases of the front page writers, I was surprised by the closeness. Nonetheless, to the victor goes the spoils and to Cagle goes the Peach Pick.

On the Democratic side, it was not nearly as close. With both candidates are quite capable, Jim Martin is our Peach Pick for Lieutenant Governor.


  1. debbie0040 says:

    I was suprised it was as close as it was considering the front page posters are mostly moderates and moderates and liberals support Cagle. Not to mention gays…

    The voters will make that decision though on July 18th and Reed will be the victor. So get used to it.

  2. jsm says:

    Hey Debbie,

    Conservatives support Cagle, too. So who does that leave to support Reed? The ignorant?

  3. debbie0040 says:

    I did not say some conservatives were not supporting Cagle. But most moderates, liberals and gays are also supporting Cagle, not Reed.

    I don’t see any liberal groups running ads against Cagle. I don’t see gays talking about crossing over into the GOP Primary to vote for Reed to stry to stop Cagle like they said they were going to cross over and vote for Cagle to stop Reed.

  4. debbie0040 says:

    JSM, As far as am concerned the ignorant support Cagle. Conservatives overwhelmingly are supporting Reed.

  5. nfire says:

    Gays and liberals CERTAINLY aren’t supporting Casey Cagle. They’re trying to beat Ralph Reed. After this primary, no matter who wins, you definitely won’t see any gay people supporting either one of these guys.

  6. debbie0040 says:

    nfire, typical spin put out by the Cagle spin machine. If you vote for someone then how is that NOT considered supporting them?

    Gays and liberals feel Reed threatens their liberal ideology and look at Reed as a threat. They don’t feel threatend at all by Cagle.

  7. rugby_fan says:

    But most moderates, liberals and gays are also supporting Cagle

    So then you don’t care about moderates in an election?

    Ergo…you don’t care about the overwhelming majority of the electorate within America? Good luck!

    Why does it matter if libs and moderates support Cagle? Conservatives are not inherently good and libs are not inherently evil. And gays don’t do anything to you if you are not gay.

  8. Erick says:

    I don’t think this is the appropriate venue to be discussing gay and liberal voters and what they may or may not be doing and who they may or may not be supporting.

  9. Dignan says:

    debbie: conservatives do not overwhelmingly support Reed. Many do but many do not. I don’t have many conservative friends who are supporting Reed.

    The issue of who is the better candidate is certainly up for debate and will be decided soon. But it is simply false to claim that most conservatives support Reed.

  10. debbie0040 says:

    Some moderates are supporting Ralph. The majority of conservatives are supporting Ralph, though

  11. debbie0040 says:

    Dignan, I disagree. The majority of conservative voters in this state are supporting Ralph. Since the majority of voters in the GOP Primary will be conservatives, we will have to wait until July 18th to see who is right.

    It is important to look at the different groups supporting a candidate and why they are. IE:Liberals and gays crossing over and voting in the GOP Primary. There have been articles in the AJC about this

  12. Jack S says:

    Debbie, you have absolutely no facts to back up that claim. YOu cannot cite one poll in the last two months taht back that up.

    I hate to break it to you, but winning the nutty county gop leadership types doesn’t win anything. It just means nutty county gop types like your nerd boy Reed.

  13. debbie0040 says:

    Jack S, The Left wing liberal groups supported by Air America and Soros’s Mother Jones sent out emails and ran radio ads against Ralph. This was in the AJC. I have some of the emails they sent out. I posted the info in different threads. The AJC also ran an article and it quoted someone that was gay and said he was crossing over and voting for Casey to stop Ralph.

    As far as the claim about conservatives, we will know July 18th.

  14. northside elephant says:

    Reed supporters are dedicated to the point of being obnoxious. They are a small but vocal group. Many voters will continue to join Cagle’s team though especially as more of Reed’s past deeds and clients become known (and I’m not talking about Abramoff).

  15. Dignan says:

    debbie: I am still confused over your definitions of conservative and moderate. You made the statement that most of the front page posters are moderate. That doesn’t make any sense to me. I’m assuming that you made a typo.

  16. Maurice Atkinson says:

    Debbie, your conclusions are erroneous. People support the candidate of their choice for varying reasons. The principle reason is simply because they like the person they’ve chosen to support.

    Adding in an innuendo that groups base on sexual orientation are supporting one candidate over another is simply flaming, much like what happened in the South Carolina primary. I’ve never supported McCain, but I certainly do not approve or promote the use of racial bigotry to advance one candidate over another.

    In my opinion, it is the ability to lead, to build consensus and to promote effective, efficient and limited government that is my drawing card to Senator Cagle. He has been a solid conservative and a man of principle who has detailed precisely what his agenda will be. I’m a conservative and I’m supporting Senator Cagle.

    Calling Cagle supporters ignorant does nothing positive for your cause. You’ve just insulted 300 plus legislators, County Commissioners, Sheriffs, Mayor’s and City Councilmen who have endorsed and are speaking on behalf of Cagle.

  17. Dignan says:

    debbie: by your logic, Denise Majette is a staunch conservative because of the Republicans who crossed over in 2002 to vote for her in opposition to McKinney. Do I have that correct?

  18. debbie0040 says:

    Maurice, you simply ignored the fact that jsm said
    Jun 8th, 2006 at 9:43 am

    Hey Debbie,

    Conservatives support Cagle, too. So who does that leave to support Reed? The ignorant?

    Reed supporters were called ignorant first. But then in your typical style you overlook that little fact.

    Reed has greater leaderhsip abilities than Cagle does. Cagle has the known ability to cave in under pressure.

    I am a conservative and I am supporting Reed. He is someone I trust not to buckle under when pressure is on.

    Gays crossing over to vote in the GOP Primary for Cagle is not innuendo. That has been stated in the AJC.

    There is a reason they are crossing over to vote for Cagle to stop Reed. They know Reed stands strong against gay marriage and gay rights.

    Northside elephant, bring it on. Cagle is not squeaky clean either. Just wait until Reed’s ads start running…

  19. debbie0040 says:

    Dignan, I never implied that. Republicans crossed over to stop McKinney because she was a joke and a threat to conservatism. Majette would be more sympathetic to the GOP voters than McKinney would be.

    Just like gay voters feel more threatened by Reed than they do Cagle and feel they would ge more sympathy for the cause from Cagle than they would from Reed.

  20. Tommy_a2b says:

    Does anyone know what event Cagle went to after? The Gwinnett Paper said he left before Q/A. Fundraiser/Meet and Greet is my guess. Anyone????

  21. The Busdriver says:

    Saw Debbie’s profile on People Who Love Small Dogs Singles site:

    “Mad as hell, crazy SWF seeks like-minded Ralph Reed supporter who will also believe whatever he’s told.”

    Honestly, Debbie, it took you all of 8 minutes to throw down the gay card. Sheesh.

  22. Maurice Atkinson says:

    No one is criticizing Ralph’s leadership abilities. Many, including me, have been critical of his perceived motives and his uncanny ability to play both sides of an issue for personal gain (Chinagate, Casinogate, Scotlandgate, Channel Onegate, ELotterygate etc. etc.) Those are not small issues that should be minimized. For me, it goes to the core of what one espouses in his beliefs. Ends do not justify the means.

    Over the past few months you’ve used inflammatory adjectives to describe Senator Cagle (weak, wuss etc). Your basis for these remarkable conclusion is simply weak. I’ve criticized Ralph based on what he has done, not on rhetoric.

    I will say this to Reed’s credit, by his candidacy it has made people think and to analyze what they believe and why. It has made Cagle work harder and be more innovative than a candidate normally would have. To that end, it is good for the Party. There’s no question in my mind who has worked that challenge effectively. In my opinion, that would be Casey Cagle and his team.

  23. Dignan says:

    debbie: Saying that Majette would be more sympathetic to GOP voeters than McKinney is like saying John Lewis is more sympathetic to GOP voters than McKinney. It doesn’t make Lewis conservative.

    And in the same way, you are trying to say that Cagle would be more sympathetic to liberal voters. That doesn’t make Cagle liberal or even moderate.

    The silly thing about the whole Cagle/Reed thing is that there is hardly a difference between the two of them on the issues. They are both solidly conservative. Unlike some campaigns, this one really does hinge on the personalities and leadership qualities and the like. I don’t know Cagle so I can’t speak to his character. But I have known Ralph for over 15 years and can speak to his. Ralph reminds me very much of my good friend, Pat Swindall.

  24. northside elephant says:

    Speaking of “moderate, liberal and gay support” how about Reed’s number one fundraiser Giuliani?

    Cagle was smart to leave. 95% of the people at a candidate forum already know who they are voting for and the other 5% work for the candidates. They are a massive waste of time.

  25. northside elephant says:

    “Ralph reminds me very much of my good friend, Pat Swindall.”

    Dignan it is so funny because it is so true!

  26. Decaturguy says:

    How come Debbie cannot open her mouth without talking about what “the gays” might be doing? Some sort of an obsession, I guess.

    Have you ever thought about the fact that there are gays who are actually conservative? About 25% of self-identified gay people in Georgia voted for George Bush in both 2000 and 2004. They don’t sound like wild eyed liberals to me. Maybe these 25% usually vote in Republican primaries and will again this time. I really doubt that the crossover among Democrats to vote for Cagle will be more than a handful. Most of us realize that Cagle’s positions are just as conservative, or more conservative, than Reed’s are.

    You know, you guys really ought to consider stopping the gay bashing that has become to define your party so much. If you did maybe some liberals and moderates would vote for a Republican from time to time. But, with people like Debbie running the show, it is difficult for some of us to stomach it.

  27. SouthernConservative says:

    Maurice, if the end doesn’t justify the means, then why was it ok for Cagle to sit as chairman of the Senate Finance Committee through 33 bills that directly benefitted his business? Or gave Mark Taylor $1,000.00?

  28. Bill Simon says:

    Any supporter of Ralph Reed should still ask the question of themselves WHY are all these folks who worked for Reed in the past now working for or supporting the candidate opposing Ralph? Specifically:

    Joel McElhannon
    Jay Williams
    Elizabeth Dewberry
    Clint Austin (a person who was loyal to the hilt with Ralph until recently)
    Emily Echols Morton

    These folks are known to be SOLID conservatives in the GOP party. They worked for and learned from Ralph Reed….and, yet, the thing they fear most right now is seeing Ralph Reed get elected.

    Could it possibly be that they know him for the sleazy, crooked businessman that he is (because they were forced to witness it while working for him) and do not want that type of person elected?

    Note to Debbie and SC, DON’T try to answer this by assailing the character of any of these people…because neither of you have much of a character trail yourself.

  29. SouthernConservative says:

    Bill, I’ve consistently defended Jay Williams on here. He’s a class act and one of the best media guys here in Georgia. Clint Austin is a pillar of conservative politics in Georgia, I’d never seek to tear him down.

    I’ll instead answer your question with a question: name to me the list of campaigns that McElhannon won before he rode the tidal wave of 2002 and 2004.

    Note to self: no one has answered my question. Is it possible that it’s because there’s no answer except one to incriminate themselves?

  30. Chris says:

    wow, now I remember why I don’t read the comments in reed/cagle posts. Debbie argues like she learned blogging from Daily Kos.

  31. Bill Simon says:


    I don’t quite understand what your point is about Joel McElhannon and whether he won races before or after 2002.

    For the record, he helped a non-partisan judge win a statewide race last year. Are you going to consider THAT race part of the “tidal wave” of races McElhannon has won?

    ALSO, just as an FYI…it was McElhannon who helped steer the win of Bill Heath to become senator in a bruising primary against the well-funded brother of Mark Rountree (who was his brother’s general consultant)…so, what do you mean by “tidal wave” when McElhannon has a pretty consistent record of winning primaries AND generals for a pretty good streak of time now, SC?

  32. Bill B. says:

    Bill –
    I recall reading something in the Political Vine about some signs being torn down by some preacher’s kids in a Senate race couple of years back. You implied that a certain consultant had a hand in that. What’s your current view? Oh…and if you need to recuse yourself or abstain from answering that question based on your current financial relationship with any campaigns, I will understand.

  33. Michael C says:

    Debbie does not espuse what a true conservative is. She is a party idealogue, not a conservative. There is a difference. I will let a far greater teacher than I state why.

    36″Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” 37Jesus replied: ” ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” – Matthew 22:36-40

  34. Bill Simon says:

    Bill B.,

    Yes, I had thought that about Joel M., but, I’ve since discovered that that is not part of his methodology in winning races.

    Next point? And, I’m still waiting for SC to come-up with any kind of answer that takes thought…

  35. ReaganRepublican says:

    If anyone has shown any signs of pondering to the homosexual agenda, it is definitely Ralph Reed. After all, was it not Ralph who had pro gay, pro abortion Rudy down here stomping for him. Was it not Ralph who lobbied for the number 1 company that supports the gay agenda, Verizon. Ralph is only a conservative if it helps him to get richer, in other words he is a phony… Casey Cagle is a true conservative leader that excites me like none other since Ronald Reagan.

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