Gay marriage ban overturned

Fulton Superior Court Judge Contance Russell overturned the constitutional amendment that banned gay marriage today.

In an email another Fulton Liberal running as fast as she could from the Gay agenda immediately issued a statement renouncing the ruling. Guess who? No Bill Simon, it was not Bill Stephens.

138 comments

  1. Brian from Ellijay says:

    Karen Handel, Chairman of the Fulton County Board of Commissioners and Republican candidate for Secretary of State, issued the following statement:

    “I am extremely disappointed in this ruling. Liberal, activist judges are becoming more and more of a problem in our country. From attempting to ban God from the pledge of allegiance to blatantly ignoring the will of Georgians who voted to ban gay marriage, they are becoming increasingly bold and outrageous. This attempt to overrule the voice of Georgia voters should not stand.

  2. caroline says:

    Geez, why am I suprised at the fundamentalist screed? I’m so tired of hearing about “gay marriage” I could scream! It gets the fundamentalists all riled up but does anyone else care anymore? It seems to have become tiresome.

  3. bowersville says:

    SPIN?
    Where is Stephen’s statement on divorce and re-marriage. Where does he stand on adultry? How at 49 years of age does he have a child ready for the Naval Academy and one in diapers. Do not refer me to his website for his bragging on his young wife being on a news cast. I am not impressed.

  4. Brian from Ellijay says:

    schools out for summer….

    Bill, whatever do you do, your candidate just came out against gay marriage! Do you release an email recusing her from it, or praising her for taking a lead? Political rhetoric as it is.

  5. buzzbrockway says:

    I think the bigger question Brian is what are those who’ve been wrongfully accusing Handel of being “pro-gay marriage” going to say now?

  6. Brian from Ellijay says:

    In 2003, she portrayed herself as pro gay marriage, now that she has a statewide race and not just a liberal Fulton county demographic-it is poor lil ole conservative me, being portrayed as a pro gay marriage. Go cry a river, Georgian’s will see through this patheic attempt at running from a previous stand by over compensating the other way.

    True conservatives never have to stand up and yell that they are the most conservative.

  7. buzzbrockway says:

    Look Brian, I’m not on one side or the other in this race, but I think you’re overreaching on this one. No Republican politician or candidate in this state, or for that matter, no prominent Democrat either, is going to run as a pro-gay marriage candidate. It’s just not an issue in the GOP primary.

    As for who’s more conservative, I’m more interested in who’s better for the job – that’s what I’m looking at.

  8. McCain-Rice\'08 says:

    I heard this today on Channel 2 and was absolutley appauled, but part of me knew it was comming….this is clear and present evidence of judicial activism and legislating behid the bench. I dont care if this goes all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, I am very confident we will prevail.

  9. McCain-Rice\'08 says:

    I’ll have to give it to karen Handel, she handed this pretty well and her comments are slightly reassuring because I had wonderd where she stood on this issue…Im still for Stephens however.

  10. Three Jack says:

    Bill Stephens takes credit for the legislation that led to the ban on homosexual marriage. It was pointed out at the time that the possibility existed for the courts to overturn the amendment due to its violation of Georgia’s “single subject rule”. Indeed this is what the judge noted in her ruling.

    Is it possible Brian that your candidate could have avoided this outcome had he listened to experts advising against including mention of civil unions in the proposed amendment?

    Now taxpayers will be punished as this case goes through years of appeal. Personally I believe homosexuals should have to face the same BS that heterosexuals deal with in marriage. You know, be careful what you wish for…

  11. bowersville says:

    MR/08
    I’m not picking on you, I’m just as appauled as you, but not at the judge. Stephens should go back and do his research on “SINGLE SUBJECT RULE.” If Stephens knew of this, it is inexcusable to me. To h*ll with appeal, let’s get some competant people in office that understands the law and not just politics!

  12. Bill Simon says:

    Brian,

    Take this as personally as you can: You’re a dumbsh*t. And, it doesn’t matter how much schooling you receive from college…you will ALWAYS be a dumbsh*t.

  13. JP says:

    Caroline, I’m with you – this is a manufactured “crisis.” Gets the churchgoing right all up in arms, though.

  14. Brian from Ellijay says:

    Actually the more I think about this, it is a blessing in disguise for Republicans in November. What better to motivate the base.

    I just hope that it does not turn out to be the blessing Ralph needed to motivate his koolaid drinkers.

  15. Brian from Ellijay says:

    Bill, Thank you. From you that is a compliment. BTW, have you figured out how to make some money or are you still begging people to donate to your dog?

  16. McCain-Rice\'08 says:

    Brian, i agree..I think it will rally up the base, and Bill…you are pathetic, what are you like 50 something and you blog 24/7. They need to make a sequal to the 40yr old Virgin…”the 50yr old virgin” starring Bill Simon!!

  17. Bill Simon says:

    MR08,

    I’m sorry, please, entertain us with your stories of sexual indulgence. You appear to be such a bold man…enlighten the rest of us, won’t you?

  18. Chazz Reinhold says:

    I feel compelled to say that MR08’s previous post made me spit my drink out! And yes, I registered just to share that nugget.

  19. atlantaman says:

    Brian-

    If you are a Stephens supporter then I don’t think you want this debate to start focusing on the candidates’ pasts. It would only be fair to start discussing Stephens most enthusiastic support of Bill Clinton.

  20. Booray says:

    The most amazing thing about this is people are brainwashed enough by the liberals to believe there is actually a difference between “gay marriage” and “civil unions.”

    “Civil unions” are all the same rights and privileges of marriage, but just with a different name.

    By the rules of definition, any two things with exactly the same characteristics are, in fact, the same thing.
    Or as our grandfathers put it, “If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, then…”

    This is basic legal stuff, and anyone who criticizes Stephens or anyone else needs to stop themselves before they inadvertently fall directly into the trap liberals have set for them on this issue.

  21. JP says:

    But Booray, isn’t the whole idea that the institute of marriage is what’s under attack, and what people want to protect? Doesn’t creating some other form of union–which by definition is NOT marriage–solve the problem of degrading the institute of marriage by ensuring that its participants aren’t married?

    By your argument, what you’re opposed to is gays having rights, rather than opening up marriage to relationships besides that of a man and a woman.

    Which is it?

  22. debbie0040 says:

    Brian, you are off target about Handel. She has always been against gay marriage. I remember a discussion I had with her when she still worked for Gov. Perdue. Here is another news flash for you , she is pro life. Handle ran for office in Fulton County. How stupid would it have bee for her not to appeal to the Log Cabin Republicans for their vote?

    Caroline, I am not the least bit suprised that someone that supports gay marriage is a Cagle supporter. Apparently 76% of Georgia voters are not tired of hearing about it. You are leaving in a dream world if you think only fundamentalists are against gay marriage. Fundamentalists do no not make up 76% of the voters in Georgia.

    I think this should be appealed to the State Supreme Court. The will not do something so controversial as to overturn something that passed by 76% of the voters. That would place their re-election in peril.

    Or better yet, call a special session and pass legislation that addresses the single subject rule. Let’s include banning civil unions and marriage. Both would be banned overwhelmingly.

    Man, with all the talk about low turnout of conservatives in November, this has to be a gift!! Conservatives will be enraged and will turn out in great numbers.

    It will be interesting to see how Taylor and Cox handle this issue.

  23. McCain-Rice\'08 says:

    Independent thinker..that one crossed the line my friend…Im critical of Reed my self, but I have the utmost respect for Rudy Guliani.

    Debbie, thats not fair to associate a pro-gay supporter with the Cagle campaign…you know he is against gay marrige as much as you and I are.

    Bill, last night’s comment of mine were made in jest…However, I hope you do realize you are the only comentator that uses such explicit words to get what ever points they are supposed to express across, and that therefore makes you look very juvenile.

  24. caroline says:

    I’m not a Cagle supporter. LOL! I love how people “assume” things with no facts. I have no dog in the cagle/reed fight. In fact, I know very little about Cagle.

    If 70% + support banning gay marriage, then it is yet more evidence as to how out of the American mainstream GA is.

  25. MCRR06

    I also have the utmost respect for Rudy for the way he lead New York during 9/11. I was just trying to counter Debbie’s stupid association and ended up lowering my self to her level.

    However, his politics are not in line with mine when it comes to Gay Marriage and Pro Choice. The subject line of this thread is Gay Marriage. No disrespect intended.

  26. SouthernConservative says:

    Caroline: you say you know very little about Cagle. You’re obviously a little in tune with politics, or you wouldn’t be blogging with us sick political hacks on here. If you don’t know much about Cagle, how come? And if you don’t mind me pressing a bit further, do you think there are many others out there like you who don’t know anything about Cagle?

    Booray makes a good point. Ya’ll would do well to consider it carefully. Debbie, your Karen Handel is a political opportunist in the worst sort of way. She’s been carried by Sonny Perdue into every elected post she’s ever held, and now that she’s been caught with her hand in the proverbial cookie jar with her comments on loving gays, she’s trying to take this opportunity to backpeddle and cover her tracks.

  27. debbie0040 says:

    Caroline, you are the one that is out of touch. I would suggest you check out the states that passed bans on gay marriage in 2004 and have since then. Even liberal Oregon passed the ban in 2004. Georgia is just following the trend.

    Caroline, you have bashed Reed in this blog so it is logical to assume to you are supporting Cagle. I hav ento seen you basah Cagle.

    If gays or gay marriage supporters had their choice between Reed and Cagle, it is a no brainer they would go with Cagle.

    Rudy believes that the Federal Government should not make the decision on marriage. He believes in deferring that to the states. I believe the same way, however I oppose gay marriage or civil unions.

  28. SouthernConservative says:

    And just for the record, I just read the AJC article, and this is coming from a pretty darn conservative Christian: somebody needs to shut Sadie Fields the hell up. Didn’t anyone ever teach her you don’t use the words “Bible” or “biblically” in your media talking points? Big whoop, yeah, that wins you alot of points with the general public…

  29. debbie0040 says:

    Southernconservative, I find it hard to believe that the Quayles would have someone working for them that supports gay marriage or someone that was not a conservative. Bush 41 selected Quayle as his running mate, because he would not overshadow Bush 41 as Reagan had done and because Quayle was more conservative than Bush.

    Karen is very smart politically and knows how to get elected.

    The bottom line is that social issues have nothing to do with the office of Secretary of State so why are we even discussing this? The Secretary of State will have nothing to do with gay marriage, abortion, etc. The SOS does not affect policy.

  30. debbie0040 says:

    Southern conservative, you and I agree on that point. Some leaders have a problem putting their brain in gear before they put their mouth in action.

    I agree with a lot of what Pat Robertson and Falwell have said publicly. I disagree with them saying it publicly and the way they said it. It makes them look like extremeist wackos and I don’t believe they are.

  31. Bill Simon says:

    Debbie Sez: “Or better yet, call a special session and pass legislation that addresses the single subject rule. Let’s include banning civil unions and marriage. Both would be banned overwhelmingly.”

    Yeahhhhhhh…that’s a good way to ensure an avalanche of defeat come November.

    MR08

    The language I choose to use aptly describes the people/situations I’m using the language to describe. To spend a lot of time “tactfully” issuing my protests over their actions is 1) a waste of time because the longer one spends explaining why the opponent is wrong, the more likely said opponent will conclude that what they are doing is alright because I’m not mad enough…and 2) the ignominy of their actions pretty much DEMANDS a quick shutdown of their activity by way of my choice of words.

  32. SouthernConservative says:

    I’d be up for a special session. Maybe not so much because of the issue itself, but because I’m getting sick and tired of these judges…

  33. jsm says:

    Regarding the debate at hand, there is no such thing as “gay marriage”. The term is an oxymoron that has been used by some in our society and accepted by the ignorant.

    Government didn’t define marriage–it merely chose to recognize it. Therefore, it is not government’s place to re-define it.

    If homosexual people want to make some commitment to one another, let them find a name for that, and then government can choose whether to recognize that.

  34. Bill Simon says:

    SouthernConservative (and others):

    Which causes you to get more incensed, hearing that the gay marriage ban in Georgia has been overturned OR reading/hearing about another IED planted by a terrorist blowing apart an American in Iraq?

    Just wondering…

  35. Three Jack says:

    Great idea…a $50,000 per day special session to pander to a bunch of Sadie Fields / Ralph Reed myrmidons. Maybe while in session the sanctimonious legislators can come up with a provision for parents to disown their homosexual children, what say you Sadie?

  36. Three Jack says:

    The Kinky Friedman position on homosexual marriage: “Kinky supports gay marriage and equal rights for homosexuals. He believes that the constitution protects everyone. As he says, “I believe love is bigger than government. And besides, they have a right to be as miserable as the rest of us.” Marriage may be the downfall of homosexuality, note what it has done for heterosexuals.

  37. Bill Simon says:

    Three Jack…thank you for giving me a new word to use in place of “sychophant”..:

    myrmidon A faithful follower who carries out orders without question.

  38. SouthernConservative says:

    Bill, to be honest, both. Neither is right. It’s time to end that mess over there.

  39. SouthernConservative says:

    Myrmidon – have you never seen the timeless classic “Troy?” That’s the name of the soldiers who fight for Achilles….

  40. debbie0040 says:

    The will of 76% of Georgia voters has been overturned by an activist judge. Screw her.

    A Special Session will cost less than having a special election next year to vote on the constitutional ammendment. Why wait on appeals that could take months?

    Call a special session and have it on November’s ballot.

    Gov. Perdue will be a hero and it will put Cox and Taylor in an extremely uncomfortible position right before the Democratic Primary.

  41. Three Jack says:

    “The will of 76% of Georgia voters has been overturned by an activist judge. Screw her.”

    No Debbie, the “will of the people” was overturned by the Constitution which requires “single subject rule” regarding amendments. Senator Stephens knew this when the legislation was passed, so your angst should be directed toward him, not the judge.

  42. jacewalden says:

    Okay…I have some questions that maybe someone out there could anwser. I’m not too politically astute, so I need all the help I can get.

    1. Isn’t one of the foundations of the Republican party “personal responsibility”?–I think, yes.

    2. Isn’t one of the principles of personal responsibility the idea of a person being: “Over himself, over his own body and mind, the individual is sovereign”.–I think, yes.

    3. Isn’t one of the principal reasons for the foundation of American the idea of free thought and free choice?–I think, yes.

    4. Isn’t it also true that the Christian Coalition views homosexuality as a choice, not something you’re born into?–I think, yes.

    If the answer to all of these questions is “yes”. Then why does the “Republican Party” feel the need to pick on gays? If the Republican Party truly believes in personal responsibility and the freedom of choice, then shouldn’t they accept rather than exclude homosexuals?–Once again, I think yes.

    Here’s the problem as I see it: The problem with the Republican Party is its take over by the Religious Right. You see, I am of the belief, and I can prove it, that the religious right is against the freedom of choice. The “religious right” claim to be true conservatives. But they’re not. True conservatives are fiscally conservative and socially tolerant–that doesn’t mean we want child molesters and those types running free. But it means we concern ourselves with issues that actually matter. The religious right has betrayed the conservative legacy.

    I consider myself to be a republican. I am definately in every way shape and form a Christian. And I think homosexuality is a sin. But just because it is a sin, does not mean we can legislate it away. If that were the case, adultery would still be a crime in the civilian world…Islam would be a crime…

    I wish someone on this post would come up front and tell us the REAL agenda of the Christian Coalition and the Religious Right::: To turn the bible into the constitution, rather than to go by the constitution that allowed us to practice protestantism in the first place!

    I like how people cite poll numbers…”like the 76% who think gay marriage is bad” as gospel, but when the poll says “29% of people think Bush is doing a bad job” they say “polls are misleading”.

  43. Decaturguy says:

    The question is put what on the ballot? Judge Russell’s opinion forces supporters of the amendment to make a decision that it has tried to tiptoe around for more than 2 years now.

    We who opposed the Amendment said that it did much more than just prohibit marriage between same sex couples. Supporters of the amendment said no, it only prohibits marriage. Well, it turns out that they were wrong and we were right. By prohibiting recognition of any “union” between persons of the same sex, it does much more than prohibit “marriage” between members of the same sex.

    So supporters of the Amendment must decide whether they want to just prevent marriage, or prevent any sort of legal recognition of same sex relationships. And they will be forced to subject those two questions seperately to the “will of the people.” Why do I think that many people will split the difference with their votes (voting “yes” for prohibiting marriage, but “no” to prohibiting any recognition to same sex relationships)?

    And before you go and call this an “activist judge,” I suggest you read the opinion. As the judge says “the wisdom, rightness, morality, or substantive constitutionality of the policies embodied in Amendment One are not at issue before this Court.” The only question was whether the Amendment violated the single subject rule.

  44. SouthernConservative says:

    What we’re all forgetting is this: what happens behind closed doors is none of our, or our government’s, business. But once it comes out from behind those doors, and comes into the public arena, then it becomes our business.

  45. JaseLP says:

    But once it comes out from behind those doors, and comes into the public arena, then it becomes our business.
    How the hell is it your business then? They still aren’t hurting you. If two gays get married, it’s between them, the minister and God.
    Not you!

  46. Three Jack says:

    According to the Fields / Robertson / Falwell doctrine, the sanctity of marriage is destroyed if two people of the same sex form a union. This portends that heterosexual marriage is somehow sacrosanct even though over 50% end in divorce.

    The GOP will hurt itself if this issue becomes the hot topic in this year’s election while 45% of 9th graders never graduate, billions are wasted in pork barrel spending projects, gridlock reduces Georgia’s ability to attract new business development, etc., etc.

  47. SouthernConservative says:

    “We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, in your movie theater bathrooms, in your army bunkhouses, in your truck stops, in your all male clubs, in your houses of Congress, wherever men are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore us. All laws banning homosexual activity will be revoked. Instead, legislation shall be passed which engenders love between men. We will unmask the powerful homosexuals who masquerade as heterosexuals. You will be shocked and frightened when you find that your presidents and their sons, your industrialists, your senators, your mayors, your generals, your athletes, your film stars, your television personalities, your civic leaders, your priests are not the safe, familiar, bourgeois, heterosexual figures you assumed them to be. We are everywhere; we have infiltrated your ranks. Be careful when you speak of homosexuals because we are always among you; we may be sitting across the desk from you; we may be sleeping in the same bed with you. There will be no compromises. We are not middle-class weaklings. Highly intelligent, we are the natural aristocrats of the human race, and steely-minded aristocrats never settle for less. Those who oppose us will be exiled. The family unit-spawning ground of lies, betrayals, mediocrity, hypocrisy and violence–will be abolished. The family unit, which only dampens imagination and curbs free will, must be eliminated. All churches who condemn us will be closed. Our only gods are handsome young men. We shall be victorious because we are fueled with the ferocious bitterness of the oppressed who have been forced to play seemingly bit parts in your dumb, heterosexual shows throughout the ages. We too are capable of firing guns and manning the barricades of the ultimate revolution. Tremble, hetero swine, when we appear before you without our masks.

  48. jacewalden says:

    “What we’re all forgetting is this: what happens behind closed doors is none of our, or our government’s, business. But once it comes out from behind those doors, and comes into the public arena, then it becomes our business.”

    I buy groceries in a public place. Is it the government’s business what I buy? I went to school in a public place. Is it the government’s business what I talk with my friends about at the lunch table? I drive my car to many public places. Is it the government’s business where I go though? I get married in a public place. Is it any of the governments business who is on my guest list?

    I ask these questions to bring up a point:

    Southern Conservative, you just posted the most flawed, innacurate, illogical, stupid-sounding thing I have ever read. Nothing I do is anyone’s business unless its object is to directly interfere with another persons personal rights or unless it is to directly undermine the government.

  49. debbie0040 says:

    The Republican Party does not feel the need to pick on gays. Gays are trying to change what society has dictated for centuries is marriage, between a man and woman.
    It is detrimental to society to change that.
    Why should we stand by and not fight them on it?

  50. debbie0040 says:

    Great posting Southernconservative.

    Jace, gays are trying to change society and it is detrimental and it is our business when they try to change laws that dictate marriage is only recognized between a man and woman. I will fight tooth and nail against gay marriage or civil unions and I don’t give a damn what anyone thinks!

  51. jacewalden says:

    Now I have to reply to the doctoral dissertation that you just posted.

    The homosexuals that said those things are wrong.

    But this “problem” worth writing a doctoral disseration on is something that can easily be solved by…get this…

    PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!!! HOLY SHIT!!! WHAT A CONCEPT!!!

    If there is a “gay revolution” out there, then its something that can be dealt with by tweaking your own teachings. You want people to fear gays, to be afraid of them.

    Hitler did the same thing with the Jews. He wanted his citizens to fear the Jews. What ended up happening to Hitler and the Nazi party???

    Damn…come to think of it, Nero did the same thing with the Christians…and Rome eventually CONVERTED to christianity…wow!

    Fear is never the answer. It is counter-productive. By building your entire political philosophy on something a few radical gays said, you’re playing right into the “revolution” you fear so much.

    Pathetic.

  52. debbie0040 says:

    I for one do not fear gays and I actually have gay friends. I don’t have a problem until they try to change what society has always dictated is marriage. I have big problem than.

  53. jacewalden says:

    Debbie,

    I just saw your two posts in “defense” of your position. I submit my last post to you as well.

    “I will fight tooth and nail against gay marriage or civil unions and I don’t give a damn what anyone thinks!”
    –Bless your heart!

  54. Bill Simon says:

    SouthernConservative,

    Based on what I read in your soliloquy, shouldn’t you be encouraging your Republican representatives in Congress, the State House, the State Senate, etc. to just BAN/exterminate all homosexuals that publicly claim themselves to be one?

    I call on Governor Perdue to dispense with passing laws that hit the wrong target (e.g., “gay marriage”) and, instead, just act as an agent of Jesus The Christ and declare that all homosexuals shall report to the nearest incinerator for their extermination. Sadie Fields and Jerry Falwell will be at the controls.

  55. jacewalden says:

    Debbie,

    “I for one do not fear gays and I actually have gay friends.”

    Classic defense! The old “I have friends who are [insert minority here] so I can make dumbass comments on [insert minority here].”

    Having gay friends doesn’t make you any more or less qualified to say anything. Although I doubt the validity of your statement regarding your “gay” friends, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt…

    But do they know that you believe they should be discriminated against?

  56. debbie0040 says:

    Bill , just because you are against gay marriage does not mean you are against gays or think they should be killed.

    Sadie actually help take care of a gay friend with AIDS.

    It is bs that you are labeled as being full of hate just because you are against gay marriage. Being labeled that way is just a ploy to keep you from speaking out.

  57. jacewalden says:

    “Gay activists routinely put down Christians”

    Christian activists routinely put down Gays. C’mon Debbie, you’ve gotta do better than that.

  58. SouthernConservative says:

    Conversly, Bill, shouldn’t you be encouraging your governmental reps to be giving free run/reign to child molesters, pedophiles, and the like? I mean, hell, it’s only free sexual expression, right? Just like sodomy.

  59. debbie0040 says:

    Jace, how am I discriminating against them? I do not believe in behavior based protection from discrimination.

    Believe it or not a lot of gays do not want gay marriage to be legalized.

  60. jacewalden says:

    Debbie or Southern”Conservative”:

    You guys are talking about how gay marriage is “detrimental to society”.

    Okay, I’ll bite, tell me why.

    Because, and like I said, I’m not to politically astute, it seems to me like if a gay couple got married in Georgia tomorrow:

    -The sun would still rise
    -America would still be America
    -I would still have to go to work
    -Kids would still go to school
    -Heterosexuals would still be Heterosexuals
    -Republicans would still be republicans
    -Democrats would still be democrats
    -The Bible would still exist
    -Christianity would still exist
    -Life would go

    Am I wrong in any of those assertions?

  61. SouthernConservative says:

    More spin, Jace. Answer the arguments I gave you, talk to the statistics and legal principles.

  62. jacewalden says:

    Debbie,

    You know I love you…but here’s the answer to your question “How am I discriminating against them”

    You said: “I do not believe in behavior based protection from discrimination.”

    Doesn’t that mean you DO believe in discrimination as long as its based on behavior? It does.

    We have behavioral based criminal laws for a reason–because the “behaviors” have not only been deemed criminal, but have also been proved to cause DIRECT harm to person and property.

    If a gay dude got married to another gay dude today, are you saying that it would “affect” you personally? Or your property?

    I’m sure it would offend you. But unfortunately, the constitution does not care if it “offends you”

  63. SouthernConservative says:

    Debbie and I part ways here…I don’t think gays dumb down society in the least. I have to admit that most of the gays I know are pretty darn smart. Smarter than some heteros I know.

  64. SouthernConservative says:

    Jace – homosexuals account for half the murders in large cities, and 50% of the women on death row are lesbians. How is that different?

    I can’t help but remember the Law and Order episode when a young man was pissed of a women (I can’t remember why, maybe because of a bad breakup or something), and subsequently went, got AIDs, and slept with as many women as he could before he got caught. He went up for murder one x 17.

    Same situation applies to many homosexuals. They have a filthy, dangerous lifestyle, and yet choose to continue in it.

    What surprises me about this discussion thus far is that DecaturGuy hasn’t chimed in yet. In deference to DC, I do want to say that I bear no ill – will or hate towards homosexuals as PEOPLE, but I do have serious problems with their lifestyle and it’s effects, both to individuals and society at large.

  65. debbie0040 says:

    Southernconservative, I did not mean actually dumb down intellectually, I mean dumb down morally as to right and wrong and what is accepted. Sorry I did not make it clear.

    It would affect society and society affects me.

    NAMBLA does not personally affect me but I am against what they believe.

    http://216.220.97.17/

  66. jacewalden says:

    SouthernConservative,

    You don’t have to remind me that you and Debbie are spining the issue…I know you are.

    You want to argue law and statistics. Fine. I’ll submit my argument here:
    http://www.law.emory.edu/FEDERAL/usconst.html
    That’s a copy of the Constitution
    http://www.law.indiana.edu/uslawdocs/declaration.html
    That’s a copy of the Declaration of Independence
    http://www.foundingfathers.info/federalistpapers/fedindex.htm
    That’s a copy of the federalist papers
    http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/artconf.htm
    and the articles of confederation.

    These are the principles and the law which the country was founded upon. I challenge you to point out in any of these documents where it defines marriage as man/woman, then come back and lecture me about spin.

    You would probably call any form of common sense that completely destroys your point “spin” though…

  67. Three Jack says:

    Debbie says:

    “Jace, gays are trying to change society and it is detrimental and it is our business when they try to change laws that dictate marriage is only recognized between a man and woman.”

    “Believe it or not a lot of gays do not want gay marriage to be legalized.”

    Which is it Debbie, gays trying to change society or gays not wanting to change society?

  68. jacewalden says:

    “homosexuals account for half the murders in large cities, and 50% of the women on death row are lesbians. How is that different?”

    Um….thanks for the help…

    So you’re saying that HETEROSexuals account for the other half of the murders and 50% of women on death row are straight.

    But we should only discriminate against the gays…once again, your flawed logic and “statistics” have me rolling out of my seat laughing.

  69. jacewalden says:

    Debbie,

    “It would affect society and society affects me.”

    Wow, you spat that off with the gracefulness of a monkey trying to hump a door-knob. HOW DOES IT AFFECT YOU??? Would any of the premises that I offered change if a gay dude got married today?

    SouthernConservative,

    The man-boy love association is criminal. It is wrong in every way shape and form. But to say that the NAMBLA speaks for all gays is like saying Bin Laden speaks for all Muslims, Bush speaks for all republicans, or Alan Iverson speaks for all NBA players.

    Do you have the ability to form a rational thought?

  70. jacewalden says:

    Okay…I’m going to lunch. I’ll be back in about an hour.
    I sure hope gays don’t get married while I’m out. Society might completely change…buildings will collapse…cars will run off the road…hell, my office may not even EXIST when I come back!

  71. jacewalden says:

    OKAY, NOW I’M PISSED. Some gay guy must have gotten married while I was out at lunch, because it seemed like my whole world had changed. Here is some of the stuff that happened while I was out:

    –Instead of my normal 10 minute wait in the line at Zaxby’s, I waited 20 minutes!
    –The Dry Cleaners were CLOSED!
    –It got really cloudy all of the sudden…
    –Pat Robertson went at least an hour without sounding like a dumbass! (I don’t know this for sure, because I don’t watch Pat Robertson)

    All of this is evidence that gay marriage is destroying our society.

    Debbie, SouthernConservative,

    You guys were right. This gay marriage thing has trouble written all over it!

  72. Decaturguy says:

    Southern Conservative, you are obviously a moron. What do you call my comment posted at 10:49 AM?

    As for the rest of your ignorant comments, I refuse to acknowledge them. You seem to have a strange fascination with gay people and gay sex inparticular.

  73. jacewalden says:

    “Southernconservative, I did not mean actually dumb down intellectually, I mean dumb down morally as to right and wrong and what is accepted. Sorry I did not make it clear.”

    I didn’t catch this one earlier, Debbie.

    I can’t wait to hear you tell all of your supposed “gay friends” that you are “morally smarter” than they are.

    Face it guys; you can think that homosexuality is a sin. It’s fine to do that. I think its a sin. But trying to legislate from the Bible is no different than “legislating from the bench”, as you all so aptly describe it.

  74. SouthernConservative says:

    Decaturguy, I was referring to posts subsequent to my thoroughly scientifically proven post. And I reckon the reason you refuse to achnowledge them is that there’s no way you can argue against them.

  75. debbie0040 says:

    How would your life be affected if sodomy were legal? How would your life change if drugs were legalized? How would your life change if rape were legal?

    Answer my questions.

    I am glad to see Gov. Perdue, Thurbert Baker and Eric Johnson take the stands they did against the ruling. Hooray !!!!!

    http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/0517metgaymarriage.html
    Gov. Sonny Perdue said Wednesday that he will call a special session of the state Legislature on Aug. 9 if the Georgia Supreme Court does not hear an appeal by Aug. 7 of Tuesday’s court decision striking down a state constitutional amendment banning same sex marriages.

    The governor made the comments in a speech to the Atlanta Press Club on Wednesday. He said the Legislature would convene to reframe the constitutional amendment that banned gay marriage and would put it up for voter approval at the polls in November.

    “In my opinion, the decision by the Fulton County Superior Court is wrongfully decided,” Baker said Wednesday. “I intend to press the Georgia Supreme Court to quickly correct the Superior Court’s error and re-instate the language adopted by Georgia voters in 2004.”

    Baker also said the statute in Georgia prohibiting the recognition of same-sex marriage was still on the books and had not been declared invalid; only the constitutional amendment was struck down.

    “If unresolved by the end of August — or resolved in opposition to the people’s vote — I fully support a special session,” said Senate President Pro-tem Eric Johnson (R-Savannah). “Marriage between a man and a woman must be protected.”

  76. debbie0040 says:

    Jace I see nothing wrong with God being mentioned in the classroom or the Ten Commandments being displayed or prayer being said in the classroom.

    I see nothing wrong with mixing religion and politics. Religion and politics were frequently mixed at the foundin and early years of our nation.

    The Constitution was based on Blackstone’s Commentaries and God was frequently referenced in those and religion and politics were mixed together.

  77. Decaturguy says:

    “I reckon the reason you refuse to achnowledge them is that there’s no way you can argue against them.”

    Wrong.

  78. Three Jack says:

    If there is a special session to further politicize this issue, the governor and senators who wrote SR595 / 04 should have to pay for it out of their own personal funds.

  79. kspencer says:

    Southern Conservative, it’s probably not a good thing to misrepresent and mis-cite material as it tends to weaken your case.

    Let me begin with that magnificent “Gay manifesto”. It’s a classic, because it’s repeated in many places. Of course, everyone forgets to include the FIRST LINE, which is and was:
    “This essay is an outré, madness, a tragic, cruel fantasy, an eruption of inner rage, on how the oppressed desperately dream of being the oppressor.”
    It was a satirical essay written at the request of a homosexual interest magazine. The essay was read into the Congressional Record – and that includes the first line which is absent in your quotation.

    Let’s take that claim that half the murders in metro areas are conducted by homosexuals. snicker. I challenge you to find a statistical report that includes the sexual identity of the criminal. In the meantime, this claim came from a letter to the editor of the Chicago Post-Tribune, published 18 December 1992, written by J (probably Jerry) Kaifetz – a well-known individual frequently associated (literally partners in some events they’ve held) with Fred Phelps of Kansas. He claims this statement was made by Judge John Murtaugh, then a chief magistrate of the New York City Criminal Court. Judge John Murtaugh has claimed he never made this statement, and so far nobody’s been able to provide an original cite proving otherwise.

    Or consider the stats you’ve cited that are, if anything, understated. For example, surveillances by the CDC indicate that over 80% of men who are diagnosed with syphilis – significant meaning potentially morbid, such as syphilis and HIV – are homosexuals (or in CDC terms, “men who have sex with men (MSM)”). Of course the overall rate of such STDs is small – for example, in 2001’s survey of Manhattan, NY (population 2.2 million) there were 263 males diagnosed with syphilis and 76 with HIV, of which 48 were an overlap. Somehow I think there were a lot more than 263 incidents in Manhattan in 2001 – enough that this number isn’t the epidemic it seems. Or to restate – your juxtaposition of the millions of STDs with the rate of homosexual infection of certain types belies the fact that the certain types are an extraordinarily tiny proportion of the whole. It’s a misrepresentation.

    This sort of thing continues through the whole of your document. Quite simply, your diatribe is impassioned and persuasive but is full of errors. I cannot speak for others, but when confronted with a plea that is based inn error, I am not persuaded to support that plea.

    A final note, not for you but for Debbie. Debbie, you have cited NARTH. This organization of approximately 1000 members is the only remaining psychology/mental therapy organization in the United States which believes homosexualism has no biological basis – that people can be made to be heterosexual through therapy. They may be right – the minority’s been right before – but they’ve done a poor job of providing evidence to organizations such as the APA and AMA.

  80. Three Jack says:

    Just remembered…the governor refused to call for a special session last year to address the real problem of unregistered sexual predators. Even after the Kimberly Boyd incident, he would not even offer an opinion. Yet now in an election year he will do so because he knows it will help get him re-elected! Damn the victims of sexual predators, long live homophobia. Disgraceful.

  81. jacewalden says:

    Debbie,

    I fully support the use of the word “God” in the pledge.

    I fully support “In God We Trust” on our currency.

    I fully support “The Ten Commandments” being posted in public places.

    I fully support the mentioning and discussing of God in the classroom.

    Trust me, I am in no way shape or form, anti-christianity. I am a card-carrying, ACLU-hating Christian. I haven’t questioned the fact that you are Christian. Please don’t question my devotion to Christianity.

    Now to answer your questions:
    How would your life be affected if sodomy were legal?
    –Consensual Sodomy has been legal in this State since 2003. It obviously hasn’t affected your life because you didn’t even know the law had changed.

    How would your life change if drugs were legalized?
    –Although I believe it is a persons own decision what to smoke, I am against the legalization of drugs. Drugs affect the way the users interact with society in often adverse ways. It has been proven that even small amounts of most drugs affect a persons mind far far more than alcohol.

    How would your life change if rape were legal?
    –Rape is in direct violation to a persons right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It is one person forcing his/her sexual will on another person. It is wrong in every sense of the world.

    Here is the difference, the crimes you mentioned (except for CONSENSUAL sodomy) all have victims. Behavior that directly violates another persons right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, or personal property should be illegal.

    Being Gay isn’t a crime. You said that yourself. Getting married is not a crime. Who is the victim if two gays get married? There is no victim.

    There is nothing wrong with being religious and being in politics. That’s why our founding fathers had enough foresight to offer up the first amendment. But when you try to push a religious agenda on a group of people it no longer becomes religion–it becomes tyranny. That’s why our founding fathers had the foresight to separate church and state.

  82. Decaturguy says:

    Maybe in the special session they’ll override the Governor’s awful veto of that bill that would have allowed dependants of state employees killed in the line of duty access to state health insurance.

  83. Three Jack says:

    Even better, they could return the $1,000,000,000 overpayment of taxes to the taxpayers instead of giving it to the highest paid teachers in America.

  84. jacewalden says:

    Three Jack,

    This is on another issue…

    On the thread about “Illegals Fleeing Georgia”, I have tried to post a reply to your question to me on my solution to illegal immigration…

    For some reason, I can’t post on that thread. I think it might be my computer, but I tried a couple of times today also with no luck. Don’t think I was blowing off the question or anything though.

    If you honestly want to know my answer, click on my screen name, it’ll take you to my site. I’ve put up plenty of posts which will make my position clear. I enjoy the debate…

  85. debbie0040 says:

    The victims will be future generations of children and grand children that think that homosexuality is normal and not a sin. They will think that it is ok for people of the same sex to marry. It will blur the line between right and wrong.

    Remember God destroyed a city in the Bible because of the sin of homosexuality…. What would he do to America?

  86. caroline says:

    Debbie,
    First off, I would like to thank you for reminding me why I am no longer a republican.

    Secondly, the latest poll I can find, July 2005 Survey USA says that in GA:

    23% support a state ban
    27% support a federal ban
    45% support neither

    Even in vaunted Oregon, the support has now dropped into the 40’s with 50% supporting neither ban. I guess in a few years there will be a refendum to repeal the 2004 ban like Maine did.

    Glad to know that gays are a bigger threat to our safety than pedophiles.

    Alan Simpson has said that if the GOP continues to be the party of overturning Roe v. Wade and Gay Marriage, then it has no electoral future.

  87. caroline says:

    What would he do to America?

    Well, why didn’t Katrina hit MA?

    Yep, let’s continue market fear.

  88. jacewalden says:

    “The victims will be future generations of children and grand children that think that homosexuality is normal and not a sin. Remember God destroyed a city in the Bible because of the sin of homosexuality…. What would he do to America?”

    Now we’re getting to the real motivations behind your assertions…

    Children think what they are taught, Debbie. If you feel threatned that homosexual thought will be more appealing to the children than the “conservative american values” which you teach, then that ought to tell you something about your teachings:

    (1)Either you’ve done a piss-poor job of getting your own message out
    (2)You taught the wrong message

    I think it is point number 1. Like I said, I consider homosexuality a sin. So I believe that teaching heterosexuality is the right message.

    The one thing that members of the Religious Right have in common is their tendancy to pass the buck!

    Rather than taking responsibility for “kids turning gay” because their teachings weren’t strong enough, they would rather blame the gays.

    Do your “gay friends” know that you think God is going to destroy America because of them? Do they know that you consider yourself morally superior to them? Do they know that you try to blame them for the shortcomings of your own message?

    I doubt they do. And I seriously doubt you have “gay friends”. It is becoming more and more obvious that your post about them was nothing more than a lie to add some “credibility” (which it didn’t) to your argument.

  89. debbie0040 says:
  90. debbie0040 says:

    Caroline, You don’t know New Orleans. New Orleans was a haven for gays. Katrina hit New Orleans right before a Gay Pride Festival was to take place. My family lives in that area. I can furnish you the news clippings from the Times Picayune if you like. What has not made the national news is they have discovered a massive fault line in the Gulf of Mexico. If an earthquake strikes in the area of this fault line, it has the potential to cause a Tsunami that will wipe out the New Orleans area.

    A hurricane hit Key West after Katrina. There was a gay convention of some sort scheduled a few days after it hit.

    The bottom line is that gay marriage will be detrimental to society. I am in the majority with my opinion and will not change it.

    The laws state that marriage is between a man and woman and that should not change.

  91. debbie0040 says:

    Jace, my children are 26 and 22 and are heterosexuals. I believe in teaching children right from wrong. Not some touchy, feely I’m ok your ok crap.

    Why should society be exposed to the disgusting display of same sex couples being married?

    Our nation was founded on Judeo Christian values and we should not stray any further from those teachings.

  92. caroline says:

    Oh geez, are you sane? You still didn’t answer my question regarding MA. Yes, and hurricane Katrina wiped out the MS Gulf coast too and there was no gay pride parade there.

  93. debbie0040 says:

    God doesn’t need to do anything to Masscusetts. They have Ted Kennedy…

    Are you sane Caroline or are you just soooo angry at Christians and Republicans because most are against gay marriage that you can not think straight.

  94. jacewalden says:

    FINALLY!

    Someone answered my original challenge:

    “I wish someone on this post would come up front and tell us the REAL agenda of the Christian Coalition and the Religious Right::: To turn the bible into the constitution, rather than to go by the constitution that allowed us to practice protestantism in the first place!”

    Thank you Debbie! Unfortunately, all credibility you had (if any) as a Christian is effectively washed down the toilet. You LIED about having gay friends to try and prove your point…Nothing you say on here, no matter how many statistics you back it up with, can never again be taken for face value.

    But I guess its okay to LIE in your distorted view of Christianity. And Now I also know why you’re a Ralph Reed fan. It has nothing to do with Cagle being a wuss. It has everything to do with Reed being a zealot! You and Reed have a lot in common…you’ll both say anything (even if its a lie) to get someone to believe you!

    You are destroying the Republican party.

  95. caroline says:

    What the heck are you talking about? I now know why the other posters were making fun of you when I first showed up here.

  96. Three Jack says:

    “Why should society be exposed to the disgusting display of same sex couples being married?”

    Society is exposed to fat people being married which one could argue is far more repulsive than watching a couple of hot babes get it on…just my opinion.

  97. nfire says:

    Debbie is a never-ending source of fun and entertainment!! Can Debbie be the official Peach Pundit mascot?

    Seriously, if she wasn’t here, I probably wouldn’t come to this site as much because it wouldn’t be nearly as entertaining!

    Debbie – Are you a member of the Westboro Baptist Church? Did 9/11 happen because we have gays in the U.S.? Are you happy that U.S. soldiers are dying because we have gays here?

    Also, this is probably a very good representation of what Ralphie-poo himself thinks, so we should listen up!

  98. Philly says:

    Nfire, Debbie did not infer what you just stated in any way. She just mentioned what God did to a city in the Bible because of homosexuality. Caroline mentioned why did not Katrina hit Massachusetts and Debbie mentioned New Orleans and Key West.

    I agree with what she said. She had guts enough to say it.

    From what I read of her postings she is not an extremists. You Cagle supporters disagree with her on gay marriage so you try to ridicule her to silence her. I really don’t think it will work, but it sure pissed me off enough to post.

    You guys are pathetic and just start insults when you are losing and argument. Cagle must be so proud of you.

    I could make fun of you guys. Caroline, you are a bleeding heart liberal Democrat and probably a dike. Enough said. The rest of you that support gay marriage are not conservatives. You are probably moderates and as far as I am concerned, voting for a moderate is like kissing your sister.

    Jacewalden, Cagle is a puss*

  99. Philly says:

    Jace, the fact is on this blog we can say anything we want to. Who are YOU to call someone else a liar when we don’t even know them. You are not one to be bothered by facts, you just make them up as you go along.

    You also mentioned her distorted view of Christianity. You are the one with a distorted view. This is what the Bible says about Homosexuality:

    Stacey, as far as God this is what he says about Homosexuality: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.

  100. jacewalden says:

    Philly,

    First of all, I’m pretty sure “Philly” is also “Debbie0040″…but just in case I’m wrong:

    I’m not trying to ridicule anyone into silence. I love debate.

    You, on the other hand, need to read more about the history of the conservative movement. Religious zealotry was never a principle of conservatism.

    You are destroying the Republican party, Philly. Don’t shoot the messenger for your shortcomings.

    You’re afraid of gays, muslims, communists, and probably racial minorities.

    I’d rather be called a moderate than a bigot any day of the week. Thank you.

  101. jacewalden says:

    Philly,

    I don’t make up facts. And Debbie is a liar. Perhaps you should re-read the thread.

    I’m sure there are a lot of things that Jesus said that didn’t get put in the Bible. But here’s one that did:

    “Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone”.

    Since you can’t read, allow me to re-state my stance on homosexuality:

    I THINK HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN!

    Now…I refer you back to the Bible verse I quoted.

    You’re a hypocrite and a bigot. You give all Christians a bad name.

  102. jacewalden says:

    And…just for fun…

    “Jace, the fact is on this blog we can say anything we want to. Who are YOU to call someone else a liar when we don’t even know them”

    Um…Who am I to call someone a liar? Well, I am one of those people who “on this blog we can say anything we want to.”

    Dumbass.

  103. Philly says:

    Jacewalden, you are showing your stupidity. I am not Debbie, but I do know her. I will give you my email address and you can email me and we can set up a meeting and you will find out for yourself. [email protected]

    You are the hypocrite and bigot. You are bigoted against those that are against gay marriage. You know you said you believe that homosexuality is a sin but your other writings don’t portray that or you would not support gay marriage.

    How did Debbie lie? I do not see where she lied. I see where your postings turned into something like an out of control woman would write.

  104. GTdem says:

    I can’t believe people still quote the bible when trying to justify their political positions on what should and should not be illegal. I’m pretty sure the constitution does not reference the bible as the source for our laws. Why is it so hard for people to separate religion from government?

  105. debbie0040 says:

    Jace, the Bible does say that but you ignored the other verses that Philly gave you.

    I am against gay marriage but not against gays. I know what the bible says about gays and I think it will be detrimental to society and America to allow gay marriage.

    Caroline mentioned why God did not have Katrina hit Massachusetts and that is why I mentioned NO. I do believe that if America keeps straying toward the acceptance of the gay lifestyle, she will be punished. If you believe the Bible, you have to believe that, too.

    I do have gay friends. They don’t bring their lifestyle around me and I don’t bring mine around them.

    I believe gay couples should be allowed to make life and death decisions in the hospital for each other. I believe they and hetero couples should have visitation just like spouses do if they have written living will.

    I do not believe gay men should be allowed to be Boy Scout Leader, though.

    If I were an extremist, I would be supporting Bill Stephens instead of Karen Handel. Most far right conservatives are supporting Stephens.

    Point out to me how I lied about anything.

  106. jacewalden says:

    Don’t bother. I’ll take your word for you not being Debbie.

    But, while we’re on the subject, where did you guys meet?
    –was it at a Klan rally?

    Philly, I have nothing against you and Debbie. Nothing at all. I respect the fact that we are all three brothers and sisters in Christ.

    Once again, you need to check your definitions. Bigotry is “One who is strongly partial to one’s own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ”.

    Maybe the correct term to describe by opinions toward you and Debbie would be “strongly disagrees”.

    You support Debbie’s tirades on Hurricanes and gay-bashing, yet I’m the one who sounds like an “out of control woman”…

    Every time you or Debbie post, you help out my arguments more and more…I appreciate the help, but I really don’t need it.

    Just because something is a Sin doesn’t mean its a crime. A sin is something between man and God. A crime is something between man and the Law.

  107. jacewalden says:

    Debbie,

    You don’t have gay friends. Stop lying. Here’s how I know you’re lying. You have blatantly avoided answering these questions:

    Do your “gay friends

  108. jacewalden says:

    P.S. I didn’t ignore the verses that Philly gave me. I have said over and over that homosexuality is a sin.

    But once again, I refer you back to the verse I posted.

    BTW, GTDem is absolutely right about quoting scripture. I won’t do it anymore.

  109. jacewalden says:

    More Debbie Doublespeak:

    “I am against gay marriage but not against gays.”

    “The victims will be future generations of children and grand children that think that homosexuality is normal and not a sin. They will think that it is ok for people of the same sex to marry. It will blur the line between right and wrong.”

  110. jacewalden says:

    And while we’re at it…

    Philly: “You are the hypocrite and bigot.”

    You might as well have said “I’m rubber you’re glue whatever you say bounces off of me and stick on you”.

    If you’re not Debbie, which one of her children are you? The 22 year old or the 26 year old?

  111. jacewalden says:

    While I enjoy delivering the smack down to the so-called “Christians” and so-called “Conservatives” who try unsuccessfully to come up with anything close to a rational thought, all good things must come to an end.

    In closing, I would offer the following statement:

    The Christian Coalition and the Religious Right have betrayed the conservative movement as well as the principles of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness upon which this nation was founded.

    Debbie, Philly, you can quote all the scripture you want to back up your points…hell, so can Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church…but that doesn’t make them or you right.

    In saying that this nation was founded on Christian principles, you are absolutely right. It is based on charity, equality, forgiveness, and justice. Thank you.

  112. caroline says:

    Oh, geez. Please pass the fundamentalism! It’s the you’re either “wid me or agin'” me argument. This is the kind of self righteous sanctimony the represents the current GOP. Of course, I must be a lesbian since I don’t agree with Philly, LOL! Such silliness. You assume a bunch of things based on no facts which of course is now the hallmark of the current Republicans here in GA.

    Keep this up and even less of my still Republican friends will be showing up to the polls in Nov.

  113. Bill Simon says:

    Pardon the musical interlude…….

    …but the definition of “sodomy” is, actually, an act of unnatural sexual intercourse. Meaning, pretty much, any act that will NOT bring about a propagation of a species.

    SO, oral sex between consenting adults (male-to-female, male-to-male, female-to-female) constitutes “sodomy.”

    Anal sex between consenting adults (male-to-female, male-to-male, female-to-female) ALSO constitutes “sodomy.”

    So, if you want to “outlaw”sodomy (Debbie, SouthernConservative, et al.), start practicing what you preach.

  114. 4ofspades says:

    Brian,
    You have claimed that you were an insider on Handel’s 2003 team. Back up your claim that she was pro-gay marriage. You can’t back it up, because it’s not true. Also, why would you work for someone that you don’t believe in.

    Quite frankly your a hypocrite.

  115. jacewalden says:

    Bill,

    Outstanding point! Jace Walden now waits patiently while Philly and Debbie put their heads together to come up with a response with some substance behind it….

    Jace Walden may be waiting for a long time…

  116. Bill Simon says:

    GTDem,

    Why can’t some people separate the Bible from their political decisions? Because they are ignorant morons.

    Why is the state of Georgia damn near dead last in education? Because we are a state that has been run by ignorant morons, from all parties, for the past 100+ years.

  117. elaine says:

    Karen Handel made a public statement today concerning her opposition to gay marriage. Though the vote was delayed to extend some elements of partner benefits in Fulton, she made it clear that the measure was “tantamount to gay marriage” and she would not be supporting it when it comes up.

    Looks like she’s putting action behind what she believes and not just talking about it. All the talk about her position on gay marriage can be summed up by what she does. And she’s voting against measures that are “tantamount to gay marriage”.

    But of course that has nothing to do with the office she’s running for… Secretary of State handles elections, licensing, and host of other things. Gay marriage… not on that list. Sorry.

    I think the people of Georgia are going to focus on the job and they’ll find that Karen Handel is the best person to be our next Secretary of State.

  118. jacewalden says:

    Caroline,

    Philly was way out line calling you a “dike”.

    Resorting to personal attacks is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

    That’s the problem with the religious right. They have no conception of reality, no conception of rationality/logic/common sense, and no conception of how much they have hurt the Republican Party.

  119. caroline says:

    That’s the problem with the religious right. They have no conception of reality, no conception of rationality/logic/common sense, and no conception of how much they have hurt the Republican Party.

    Yep, a friend of mine was recruited by the party to specifically prevent them from taking over. Looks like it failed.

  120. bowersville says:

    Brian,
    4ofspades has challenge you, where is your response?
    Philly,
    I read that you are “p*ssed off,” and further that you stated “you guys are pathetic and just start insults when you are loosing an arguement.” Then I hear “bleeding heart liberal democrat…dike.” Then, “kissing your sister,” and “puss.”
    Then on your next post a sermon on the sin of homosexuality quoting scripture. Then the next post, “stupidity…hypocrit…bigot.” Is this not a truth standing on it’s head. Are you an oxymoron or just a moron?

  121. jacewalden says:

    Bowersville,

    Don’t attempt to bring rational thoughts into this argument. Believe me, there are a few of us who have tried that. There are a few things that don’t work against Philly:

    Rationalism
    Reason
    Common Sense
    Fact
    Pointing out obvious hypocrisy
    Using words with more than 2 syllables (oxymoron)

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