Guiliani vs. Forbes

Ralph has Rudy and now we’re being told that Cagle will have Steve Forbes, hero of free markets.

Well done Casey.


  1. landman says:

    Anyone want to wager who draws the most $$$$.

    June 8,’06 will be a large day for Team CAGLE,if you Ralph fans thought 100k in a day was something you have no idea what lies ahead.

    If you are free for lunch on the 8th come by the Piedmont Driving Club and have lunch with a true Conservative National Figure and your next Lt. Governor.However,you must be aware unlike Ralphs this is not a greet and meet you will have to pay and its not cheap,but space is running out so get your table while they last!!!!

  2. Mojo says:

    Is that Rudy, as in Rudy Giuliani? If so, I’d gladly take a hero of 9/11 over some anarcho-capitalist quack.

  3. George Allen 08 says:

    I think it’s unfair to compare the two. Rudy will help the Reed campaign and Forbes will help the Cagle campaign. However, when you compare the two as figures in American history, Giuliani is the man who helped heal New York after 9/11 and Forbes is the guy who inherited hundreds of millions and is entertaining himself by running for President.

    As far as the RR vs CC campaign is concerned, each event will probably raise similar funds.

  4. caroline says:

    Can someone tell me why “family values” Ralph Reed is having a pro choice, pro gay marriage New Yawker raise money for him? Oh yeah, I guess Ralph forgot about those “issues” when it comes to money just like he did with gambling! LOL!

  5. The Busdriver says:

    Mojo, (if that IS your real name), as for Forbes being an “anarcho-capitalist quack,” I think you’d be suprised to learn that the great majority of the people on this blog subscribe to the very thinking you just put down:

    Anarcho-capitalists aim to protect individual liberty and property by replacing a government monopoly, which is involuntarily funded through taxation, with private, competing businesses that provide voluntarily-funded services that defend individual liberty and property against aggressors. Hence, they believe that all goods and services, including protection of individual liberty and private property, should be supplied through the mechanism of a free market.

  6. McCain-Rice\'08 says:

    Well, eventhough Im a Cagle supporter Id have to say I like Guliani better than I do Forbes..but hey, glad to have him on the team.

  7. McCain-Rice\'08 says:

    But hey, the only one here that deeply cares about endorsements and mesures their candidates political qualities by the amount of endorsements with a big Debbie, so maybe this will be a “shocker” to her, you never know.

  8. Mojo says:


    I have to admit that the anarcho-capitalist philosophy is tempting, maybe b/c of my rudamental understanding of it from the Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged, but one key component led to skepticism which led to revulsion. Under “pure” anarcho-capitalism even the courts and law enforcement would be privatized, charity for even the disabled would be non existent. This bothered me. We have to have some form of government that can offer protection to all its citizens.

    And, Mojo is my real name. I had weird parents.

  9. Maurice Atkinson says:

    Seems that the criticisms from the Reed camp that Senator Cagle has minimal influence outside of Georgia is mistaken.
    Mr. Forbes is a fine gentleman and a staunch consistent supporter of conservative values.

    This should be a nice event and an excellent infusion of funds into the campaign for the fall election. Mr. Forbes was quite helpful in Herman Cain’s run for the US Senate. Glad to see he’s helping in this campaign.

  10. shep1975 says:

    Since neither Rudy or Steve live or vote in GA, I could care less who they are endorsing. Furthermore, I have said before, big named, out-of-state celebs are good for fundraising by attracting people who can tolerate you, but really want to hear the guy you’re bringing.

    That being said, I’d probably be more likely to go to an event featuring Rudy than Steve.

  11. Brian from Ellijay says:

    Jason, Are not your inlaws in town. Get off the computer! Your wife is coming. 😉 I like Rudy okay, but the part that always got me is when he holds the Yellow Jackets and then they carry him off the field. That was my favorite.

  12. Bull Moose says:

    As a subscriber of FORBES and a regular reader of Steve Forbes’ columns, I tend to associate myself with his ideology more so than I do with that of Ralph Reed.

    It’s time to get back to the style of politics where we elect people who say what they mean and do what they say.

    Casey Cagle will be a breath of fresh air.

  13. Bill Simon says:

    Mojo (and other Ralph Reed Kool-Aide abusers)

    To crown Mayor Rudy Guilani the “hero of 9/11” is to jump with both feet on the graves of all of the firemen, medical and police rescue personnel who died saving others that day.

    You guys are nothing but a bunch of pissant dumb-asses who buy that crap about Rudy being Mr. Superman on 9/11. Please, take a big ‘ole spoonful of your own horse manure and shove it down your throat.

  14. McCain-Rice\'08 says:

    Bills right, if Rudy didn’t endorse Ralph Reed or better yet endorsed Cagle, I wonder what yall would be saying. I like Rudy Guliani reguardless of who he endorses..and his endorsements dont effect my vote in the least.

  15. Mojo says:

    Bill Simon,

    Thank you for your notice. Honestly, I am flattered. You call me a “Ralph Reed Kool-Aide abuser” and Mike, on another thread, names me as a member of the “liberal elite.” Maybe you two should get together, compare notes, and come up with a consistent method of insults.

    First, I notice that you, erroneously, quote me as calling Rudy THE hero of 9/11. Please, dear sir, scroll up and read how I named Rudy A hero of 9/11. Your misquote implies that I believe that Rudy was the only hero of 9/11, whereas the correct quote carries a meaning that Rudy was one of many.

    Second, where did I suddenly name myself a supporter of Ralph Reed? I support neither Reed or Cagle or any other fringe Republican candidate for Lt. Governor. My early support extends to Greg Hecht…a Democrat. So, I guess I am a Greg Hecht Kool-Aide abuser. Get it straight, Bocephus.

    Please write this note to self: don’t jump the gun.

  16. Bill Simon says:


    “A hero”…”the hero”…”them heroes”…whatever you wish to hold onto is up to you, but I honestly do not see where Rudy G. did anything to earn the moniker “hero” for what he did when 9/11 happened. If being the mayor of a city that is hit with disaster makes one a “hero”, then I guess Ray Nagin is a hero to you as well.

    Thank you for setting me straight on your choice of candidate. (Note to self: Mojo is a Democrat.)

  17. larry smith says:


    Don’t you go to EVERY event, or at least every event where you can get in for free?

    I never realized you were selective!

  18. Booray says:

    Rudy paraded down Broadway in drag in a gay rights parade.

    Anyone want to find that photo and put it up here? Would be interesting to see Reed explain that to his flock.

    And Forbes may be quirky, but I’ve never seen him in high heels.

  19. debbie0040 says:

    I am glad Forbes is coming for a fundraiser for Cagle. You Cagle supporters have been blasting Reed for having people from out of Georgia doing fundraisers. Takes the air out of your balloons and makes you look hypocritical for praising Forbes coming for a fundraiser.

    Forbes and Rudy are not even in the same league. Who do you think is more popular with GOP voters in Georgia? Steve Forbes and Bill Elliot or Zell Miller, Sean Hanity and Rudy?

    To answer your question Bill about Rudy, yes I would like him even if he had not endorsed Reed. Rudy showed great leadership after 9-11. According to the latest polls, Rudy is leading the GOP Presidential pack in Georgia.

    Bowersville, Rudy has a long list of people willing to pay to see him. Rudy will raise more money than Steve Forbes.

    My choices for President are George Allen then Rudy.

    Bill there is no doubt that had Rudy not endorsed Ralph , you would be singing Rudy’s praises instead of being critical of him.

  20. Mojo says:

    Bill Simon,

    Truth is truth. You misquoted me and changed the meaning of my statement. And, having a disaster strike does not make one a hero, the way they handle the consequences of the disaster and the leadership they show does. This is kindergarten logic, Bill, surely you can handle this.

    Please read the note the self, I am not a Democrat nor a Republican.

  21. grassrootsguy says:

    Hey Maurice. Forbes did your guy Cain a lot of good, didn’t he?

    And I seem to remember a lot of stories years ago about old Steve’s father, Macolm, who like boys and threw wild parties. I guess this means Cagle’s will get the Atlanta gay vote now too!

    You guys are all crazy. The only value of an endorsement is perhaps the little bit of cash you can raze from the event. In Reed’s case, however, it is more helpful because it suggests national Republican figures must not be too worried about the Abramoff stuff, or the liberal media’s attacks on Reed. It harms the Cagle campaign’s credibility because all it has done is join in the mud slinging.

    But when all is said and done, I’d rather see Rudy. Forbes is a boring wonk living off his old man’s fortune. What a family. It’s amazing a Republican came out of that bunch of social liberals.

    And landman, Shafer, Clint Murphy, or whoever you are, Reed has already shown who can raise the most and he will stay ahead. Rudy will do very well this week and more than surpass that amazing puffing 100k figure Cagle lied about raising in one day.

    The real fun starts in a few days when the TV ads run and the mail hits our boxes. Old Cagle ain’t gonna know what hit him. When his record is know, he will be rejected for the hypocrite he and his campaign have been.

    This is a fight for the direction of the party and whether or not Republicans will be Republicans, or just the same people running the state as before and in the same way just calling themselves Republicans. Maurice and some of those guys don’t get it, but they will.

    Reed rerpresents those of us who want Republicans to act like Republicans in the way we govern. Those big shot Atlanta business boys who back Cagle don’t want that.

  22. landman says:

    Grass,We shall see won’t we?I bet you wish you had taken the other race,dont you?It hasnt been and will not be the layup that you thought it would be.

    Cagle ’06

  23. Maurice Atkinson says:

    Actually, Grassrootsguy, it did help quite a bit. He raised a lot of funds and his presence at the State Convention was a barn burner.

    I sense a little pent up aggression?

  24. GAWire says:

    These guys mean nothing for votes – everyone knows that. This is all about fundraising. And, I have never critized RR for bringing in Rudy. I have said, however, that Rudy will be brought in for an event meant to raise money from big donors, but the Reed campaign has already maxed most of their big donors out. So, that event won’t do much, which is why I keep hearing that it is being downgraded, and there is question whether or not it will happen at all (I’ve heard consideration that Rudy might not even be there in person – just do a video or something).

    As for Forbes … he’s meant to raise money, which is a necessary evil in campaigns, and he will do it well. Cagle has not maxed out big donors – they haven’t done a big event yet that would tap all those folks that want to max out on donations to Cagle.

    Will this discussion decide who will win this race? Absolutely not. But, I can assure you that Cagle wins this little battle.

    P.S. There is no negative for Cagle in having an event with Forbes. I don’t like Forbes, but this is s/t CC needs to do. As for Ralph, he has plenty to lose … being paired with an obvious liberal will not help him. Everyone talks about the fact that he is trying to get away from his religious conservative past, but those folks are his only hope. Pairing up with Rudy is a bad move and will hurt more than it will help.


    Two guys with mego egos and quetionable character traits or two guys with reputations as leaders,pretty simple choice for an intelligent self thinking adult.CASEY CAGLE 06 RUNNING TO SERVE..CONVICTION TO WIN

  26. SouthernConservative says:

    jsm, you’re either stupid as Maurice or you’ve just now started following politics…you obviously missed the big fundraiser at the Cobb Galleria last summer when Zell AND Hannity spoke for Ralph.

  27. SouthernConservative says:

    Booray, kind of strange that a hardcore, successful Republican consultant such as yourself would cite a film by Kevin Keating. More of the same…

  28. debbie0040 says:

    The Lt. Governor’s Race is a fight for the Georgia GOP. That is why it is so important.
    There will be a battle at the State convention next year.

    I believe it is ok to support candidates individually but wrong for the party to become involved with primaries. All candidates should have equal access and the party should remain neutral until after the primary. If the county parties have rules that insist on equal access then the State Party should abide by the same rules.

    Reed has already raised more money than Cagle. Reed has more name recognition. Reed has three things Cagle does not have-vision, conviction and courage.

    JSM, Both Hannity and Zell had some very nice things to say about Reed at the fundraiser/rally at Cobb Galleria. They will both have more good things to say about Reed in the coming weeks.

  29. Bill Simon says:

    No matter how much honey is poured onto manure, it will still taste like sh*t.

    Thus, no matter how many times big-name stars throw praises at Ralph, the voters’ stomachs will still retch at the thought of electing him.

  30. SouthernConservative says:

    I disagree with Debbie. I believe Cagle DOES have vision, and that he DOES have a valid plan. Problem? He’s too busy bashing RR to talk about his plan. Therefore he loses because the voters will not vote for someone they view can’t/won’t lead/bring a change to the political landscape.

  31. jsm says:

    SouthernConservative and Debbie-

    My apologies. I had forgotten about the Cobb Galleria event, since it was so long ago. Seems like ancient history. Where are those guys now, when he needs them?

  32. larry smith says:


    You can disagree with Maurice, but calling him stupid just makes you look like a bitter nut with a personal axe to grind. He’s clearly intelligent.

    As far as Ralph’s support goes, there were a lot of people with him in the beginning who can’t ditch him fast enough now that they’ve figured out he’s been lying his ass off.

    There’s a reason Zell has washed his hands of Ralph, along with dozens of Reed Steering Committee members and Reed financial supporters who are now hosting Cagle events.

    I am sure you fancy yourself a big shot political consultant, but try focusing on facts for a change.

  33. SouthernConservative says:

    I’m not a big shot political consultant, I know that, I don’t fancy myself that, nor do I want to be that 😀

  34. Maurice Atkinson says:

    SouthernConservative, thanks for your confirmation. Coming from someone who hasn’t the backbone to identify himself. It’s fun criticizing someone who you haven’t the backbone to stand behind your criticism.

    Smacks of cowardace, don’t ya think?

  35. SouthernConservative says:

    Not to me. Surely you wouldn’t accuse Bull Moose, Jack S, Three Jack, Demonbeck, Larry Smith, and Booray of that, would you?

  36. George Allen 08 says:

    “I am for Ralph Reed as strongly as I have ever been for anyone.”

    “I know a little something about the Lt. Governor’s office, having held it for 16 years. And Ralph Reed will make an outstanding Lt. Governor of Georgia.”

    Those are both quotes from Zell Miller. Washed his hands of Ralph? Doesn’t sound like that to me.

  37. Demonbeck says:

    “This is a fight for the direction of the party and whether or not Republicans will be Republicans, or just the same people running the state as before and in the same way just calling themselves Republicans. ”

    You are damn right. This is a fight for the direction of this party – whether or not we Republicans will run this state like we have under Sonny Perdue or like we have in Congress these past few years.

    Frankly, I feel safer with the proven leadership we have seen from our fellow Republicans in the State Capitol than what we have seen from the Christian Coalition’s puppet regime in Washington. Voters would do well to remember that the State Senate went Republican the same year that Sonny won the Governorship and that whatever Sonny did, the GA Senate (and Casey Cagle, mind you) did right along with him.

  38. Mojo says:

    Bill Simon raises a good point, no matter how much I like Giuliani, he can do nothing to convince me to vote for Ralph Reed. Hell, Bill Clinton, Tony Blair, Bob Dylan and Cesar Chavez could stand up and endorse Ralph Reed, though it would indeed be a miracle for Chazez to do so, and I would still make it a point to vote against the man. Sh*t is sh*t.

  39. SouthernConservative says:

    That goes on the whiteboard as the quote of the day, regardless of it’s context: 😀

    “Sh*t is sh*t.”

  40. Booray says:

    SouthernConservative – I agree that is the quote of the day.

    By the way – I see I failed to lighten the mood a touch – folks get awful torqued up on these threads. And regardless of who did the video, how in the world can you dispute the “message”? Doesn’t look like Rudy got forced to let Trump nuzzle on him… 🙂

    P.S. I’ld like to hear Ralph try to explain that video to, say, the North Atlanta Conservative Women… 🙂


  41. SouthernConservative says:

    Booray, it worked this time. Even the mere mention of “Trump” and “nuzzle” outside the context of that gorgeous new wife of his sends me into peals of laughter. Donald apparently wasn’t too worried about his hair getting in the way. Sheeeez….

  42. GAWire says:

    >>”””Reed has three things Cagle does not have-vision, conviction and courage.”””

    I agree …

    1. Reed has the VISION to organize a plan that unethical lies to his clients and makes him millions of dollars

    2. Reed has the CONVICTION to not let ethics, morals, or decency stop him in getting his money, regardless of cost

    3. Reed has the COURAGE to look his supporters in the eye, lie to them, make money off their failures, and then turn around in the same instance and lie about doing what he just did.

    You make it too easy.

  43. GAWire says:

    Apparently from Zell Miller: “I am for Ralph Reed as strongly as I have ever been for anyone.

  44. SouthernConservative says:

    More cash flow burn. I tell ya, the Stoneridge group is good, but they ain’t cheap. That’s money for a site three people will look at, and it’s money they should be saving for mailers.

  45. Jack S says:

    Actually I dont’ think those sites cost much at all.

    And if memory serves, Reed has spent more than Casey so far.

  46. SouthernConservative says:

    I believe percentage wise, Casey’s burn rate is far greater than Ralph’s. It’s not about money spent, it’s about how you spend it, and how much you spend in proportion to your overall bottom line.

  47. Jack S says:

    What part of this don’t you reed fanatics understand? It’s been clearly shown by this site and the AJC that Ralph has a minimal cash advantage on Casey. You’re making it out like he’s got millions more and he only has a couple hundred thousand. That buys you essentially nothing statewide.

    The video shows Ralph Reed for what he is. A joke, a fraud, and a liar.

    Beautiful work. I’m sending it to everyone I know!

  48. debbie0040 says:

    Ralph does not have a minimal cash advantage of Casey. It is a great deal over Cagle. Reed is saving his money for campaign ads. Reed will have all the money he needs…

    Larry, they have not washed their hands of Ralph. Hannity is coming back for a fundraiser and Zell will cut ads and campaign for Ralph. Keep dreaming.

    I can’t wait to hear what Rudy has to say and the press coverage he will receive.

    All the negative campaigning will backfire on Cagle.

  49. Jack S says:

    According to a friend at the Party, the Stoneridge Group’s work costs less and is of better quality than any other web or mail vendor in Georgia. And that includes Ralph’s firm – Ralph should hire Stoneridge to save money for his race.

    it’s obvious that their work is remarkable from all that we’ve seen just in this campaign.

    But they also are cheaper! I doubt this little thing cost more than $1,000. If so, they’re going to get a huge return on investment.

    This thing is everywhere.

  50. caroline says:

    Apparently from Zell Miller: “I am for Ralph Reed as strongly as I have ever been for anyone.

  51. larry smith says:


    Technological genius that you are …

    Please fill us in on how much this site cost. A precise dollar figure would be most helpful.

  52. bowersville says:

    Jack S’
    The Ralph’s greatest hits is the funniest, most hilarious policical add I have ever seen. It smacks of the truth without being negative. I have sent it out to friends. It is like a fire through the straw field, and my return account is burning up with comments.


    Debbie,if you all really think Rudy is going to spike Ralphie’s ratings by saying what a good boy he is you are kidding yourselves.They both suffer from character flaws and there best days are behind them.Primary voters are more educated than to fall for RR white washing like you all have. By the way has anyone heard that the OREILLY FACTOR is looking at this race and may do a story on the the true conections with Abramoff to separate the spin and the real money trail etc.. to give GA voters fair and balance imfo without the spin.. could it be because of the Hannity conection and FOX NEWS, wouldn’t that be a hoot

  54. rugby_fan says:

    Everyone stop arguing about wheter CC or RR has more money, let’s stick to the facts. (this is not neccessarily an expression of personal views for either candidate)

    Reed reported raising $269,461 during the period from Jan. 1 to March 31, or about twice as much as Cagle, who gathered $132,937 (about $100,000 of that total was raised on March 31, the last day of the reporting period).

    Reed had a significant advantage over Cagle, however, because Reed could legally solicit funds during the entire reporting period.

    “Given that Ralph Reed raised a significant portion of his funds from out of state, we raised roughly as much in Georgia in one day as Ralph raised in three months,

  55. bowersville says:

    It would be a miricle for Chavez since ’63. I do not mean this disrespectfully.

  56. McCain-Rice\'08 says:


    Really, no one in their right mind chooses their candidates based on endorsements..most Georgians don’t think like that. Sure it’s an aspect and it fuels rhetoric for supporters..but in the end endrorsements really don’t matter very much.

  57. Michael C says:

    Everyone has glossed over Debbie’s statement

    I believe it is ok to support candidates individually but wrong for the party to become involved with primaries. All candidates should have equal access and the party should remain neutral until after the primary. If the county parties have rules that insist on equal access then the State Party should abide by the same rules.

    Debbie the Cobb GOP tried to stop the Cagle Big Shanty festival presence and prevent us from handing out stickers etc. Stating exactly what you call for, that the party should stay out until after the primares. The problem Debbie is that you and Mr. Hobbs are schilling for Reed on behalf of the Cobb GOP and using Caounty GOP funds to do it. Talk about hypocritical.

  58. larry smith says:

    Reed has Anthony Scott and Debbie both?

    Ha ha ha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahha!!!

    This race is over. They will singlehandedly win Cobb for Cagle. He should get a billboard announcing the two of them are backing his opponent!

  59. jackson says:

    Did anyone notice this yesterday? It might have got lost in the shuffle, but very interesting….

    That jared guy from Ralph Reeds campaign said they “knocked on 1000 doors in 20 counties” last weekend.

    Ralph Reed claims to have over 5000 Grassroots activists and team leaders.

    I’m doing the math. So, they put out a call for volunteers to all their “activists” to knock on doors. Did 10% show up? If so, that would mean each volunteer knocked on 2 doors. Or did 1% show up, which would mean each volunteer knocked on 20 doors. If only 1% of their volunteers showed up, is that the sign of a struggling campaign?

    Reagardless, I would hardly call that efficient campaigning. And by “knocking on doors” does that mean knocking on them, or actually talking to someone?

    The lies they tell are so fantatstic it amazes me.

  60. Bill Simon says:


    That’s pretty fascinating …because last night (or, was it the night before?) on The Daily Show, Howard Dean claimed the Democratic Party “knocked-on 1,000,000 doors over last weekend all across the country.”

    Now, one would presume that Georgia would have been one of those states that had Demmies knocking on doors…what are the chances that a house in Georgia would have had BOTH a Dem and a Ralph Reed supporter knock-on and be given a spiel?

    I don’t know, but I would have liked to interview ordinary Joe/Jane Homeowner where that might have happened last weekend in Georgia. 🙂

  61. shep1975 says:

    As many events as I get invited to, there is no way I can afford to go to every fundraiser and party BBQ with a $50 per person price tag. If I get free tickets, I may go, but not always. When I do go to events, I either go as someone invited to sit at someone’s table or as a volunteer who will work for my dinner/lunch/breakfast/reception ticket.

    Obviously Larry doesn’t know me too well or has me confused with someone else.

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