RR v. CC

Is it just me or does it seem that there are two strong and vocal camps forming? There is the Cagle-Handel-Kemp faction and the Reed-Stephens-Black faction.

Is this a metro Atlanta v. the others contest?


  1. Brian from Ellijay says:

    Or you could just call it de ja vu and Say its Shafers team Vs Reeds team all over again.

  2. Beth says:

    Not sure I agree.

    There is a group on this blog that are for the Senators, just because they are Senators. If we look at one of the biggest Reed supporters (Debbie) she is Reed/Handel.

    I’m Cagle/Handel/Black. That’s based on who has the best background to meet the job requirements.

  3. tobin smith says:

    I hadn’t really thought about it that much, but I think Brian is on to something. We think this is Cagle vs Reed, but this is really Shafer vs Reed, or a fight for the heart and soul of the party. Shafer wants his revenge for Reed’s previous victory for chair.

    It does seem that Kemp and Handel are aligned with Shafer too.

    Shafer hates Stephens.

    I don’t know that much about how Black fits into all of that.

  4. Bull Moose says:

    Cagle, Handel, Kemp

    It’s the best team that we’ve got, so why not put our first string into the game?

  5. tobin smith says:

    Although I like Kemp, I’d have to say that if this is our first string, we’re in trouble. I don’t think the first two members can make it to half-time.

  6. Demonbeck says:

    Put me down for the Senators three,
    They’ll make this state the best it can be

    If the state elect LG’s name is Reed
    We may have to wait 3 to 5 until he is freed

    The candidate I like most goes by the name Cagle,
    I just worry about his support in the Bagel.

    I cannot think of anything else to rhyme,
    so I’ll catch you guys some other time.

  7. Brian from Ellijay says:

    I am not saying that at all Tobin. Casey has proven himself. He has his own record, and just because both Cagle and Shafer are conservative I would not call either of them puppets.

    I tend to vote for the conservatives who stand up and say what they believe adn then back it up by votes. Hence I liked Lamutt, I like Shafer, Cagle, Judson, Mullis and the Chips.

  8. Demonbeck says:

    Charlie, that is such a red herring. Zell Miller supported Bill Clinton too, would you call him anything but conservative?

  9. debbie0040 says:

    I am Reed/Handel/Black

    Karen is more conservative than you think she is, but what does being a conservative have anything to do with the SOS office? Fiscal Conservative, yes but not social conservative. Handel will not be dealing with social conservative issues as the SOS.

  10. Pinetop says:

    Down here in South Georgia, Casey is making a lot of headway in these rural counties and there are people lining up to give him money. Karens has also been working South Georgia hard picking up endorsements from rural county commissioners. Black is also looking strong, I got an invite for a Southeast Georgia fundraiser that is being hosted for him. There are some good names on the host committee, and they are not all ag names either.

    Cagle – Handel – Black

  11. Trey L. says:

    Cagle Bailey Kemp

    I support Cagle. I like Shafer and hope he gets a big promotion if Cagle wins. But ALL the senators I like — Tommie Williams, Chip Rogers, Chip Pearson, David Shafer and Nancy Schaefer — are backing Cagle. I do not support Bill Stephens or Karen Handel. I am for Charlie Bailey.

  12. debbie0040 says:

    I know Charlie, I talked to Michael O’Sullivan, but being a social conservative has no relevance for the SOS job.

    I prefer Ralph’s gungho style over Casey’s concillatory , “not make any waves

  13. tobin smith says:

    Cagle is led around by Shafer. He wouldn’t even be in this thing were it not for Sen. Shafer. Shafer is a smart guy and he ought to be the candidate. Cagle won’t even be able to preside unless he has a script to go by.

  14. Hissy Fit says:

    Debbie, bless your heart. I hate to say this but I think I may vote against Ralph Reed just to shut you up. I don’t know if you are this abrasive and curt in real life but your posts are really starting to grate my nerves. I mean that with all sincerity, mind you.

  15. Bull Moose says:

    Karen Handel worked in the Bush/Quayle administration for Marilyn Quayle. She ran the North Fulton Chamber of Commerce. She worked for Governor Perdue. And now she is Chairman of the Fulton County Commission. I think more than any of the other candidates for this position, Karen is the most qualified, experienced, and I’d go so far as to say conservative (but that’s not a key credential in my book).

    Karen’s working hard and making inroads up and down the coast.

    Momentum is with Karen Handel.

  16. Beth says:

    Bull – you forgot to mention that she has a 2-1 advantage in cash. Stephens has out spent her 3-1, and has nothing to show for it except – cars, consultants, and a GPS system.

  17. Jimbo says:

    Hissy Fit, blow it out your rear. You Cagle people are annoying and abrasive but you don’t hear us Reed people whining like babies over it.

    No State Senators for me. I am supporting Reed,Handel and Black

  18. Jimbo says:

    Hissy Fit, you aren’t fooling anyone, you are supporting Cagle. You did not have an issue with Demonbeck’s little poem did you?

  19. Demonbeck says:

    “Hissy Fit, blow it out your rear. You Cagle people are annoying and abrasive but you don’t hear us Reed people whining like babies over it.

    No State Senators for me. I am supporting Reed,Handel and Black

    Hissy Fit, you aren’t fooling anyone, you are supporting Cagle. You did not have an issue with Demonbeck’s little poem did you? ”

    I’m sorry, did someone say whining like babies?

  20. Maurice Atkinson says:

    I am supporting Casey, Karen and Brian.

    What’s with the anti-Shafer stuff? Everytime I’ve ever had dealings with him he has been nothing less than professional and courteous.

  21. Philly says:

    Demonbeck this is whining like a baby:

    Hissy Fit said,
    April 12, 2006 @ 4:11 pm

    Debbie, bless your heart. I hate to say this but I think I may vote against Ralph Reed just to shut you up. I don’t know if you are this abrasive and curt in real life but your posts are really starting to grate my nerves. I mean that with all sincerity, mind you.

  22. Mike from the Coast says:

    My ticket is Perdue, Cagle, Handel and Black.

    Cagle, Handel and Black are the best for the Governor.

    Cagle is from North Georgia and balances the ticket geographically.

    Handel helps in the Atlanta suburbs and with women,

    Black helps in the rural areas.

    Eric Johnson, Tommie Williams and Jerry Keen will carry the coast for the Governor.

  23. law303peachtreeroad says:

    Rusty, this site would be better off without your idiocy.

    There are no alliances, that’s why they all run campaigns independent of each other. I think the ticket looks like this:

    Perdue (regretfully)
    Kemp (run-off)
    K. Cox (rumors true about primary opposition? hopefully?)
    B. Brown
    Eaton (?)

    Could win five maybe six of those in November, Perdue, McGuire, K. Cox could be in trouble as well as Eaton.

  24. landman says:

    Perdue,Cagle,Kemp,Stephens,McQuire, will be our top five in November and each will beat their Dem opponnent.

  25. Bull Moose says:

    Karen Handel will be a strong addition to the Republican team come November 2006. She is much more qualified than her opponent for the position. She is also the candidate with stronger identification as a Republican, having worked in the Bush/Quayle administration.

    Not only that, but but she doesn’t have any ethical problems.

    We don’t need anyone on the state ballot come November with ethical problems. PERIOD.

  26. Bill Simon says:


    I hat to say this, but it is becoming incresingly difficult for me to overlook the fact that a lot of Republican activists (be they religiously-based Republicans or not) do not really care about the concept of “ethics” and/or “morality” as applied to the candidates they choose to support.

    The ONLY criteria (ehhh…more like a hang-up they possess) appears to be centered around whether or not someone is gay OR whether or not a candidate is the type of person who considers gays as more of a sinner than anyone who has ever violated any of the REAL Ten Commandments.

    In fact, I’m thinking folks like Debbie Ellis have no problem with liars (e.g., Anthony Scott-Hobbs, Ralph Reed, etc.), but would prefer to re-write the Commandments so that all they refer to is homosexuality and how wrong it is for them.

  27. Hissy Fit says:

    Jimbo: I didn’t know you were speaking for Debbie now. 1. I will not blow it out my rear. 2. I am not supporting Cagle. There.

    Bill Simon: I think you have nailed it.

  28. Philly says:

    Bill, all you do is attack Reed and his supporters. People see things in different ways. You attack Debbie and anyone else if they don’t agree with you. Cagle has lied himself yet I don’t see you attacking him . You have very narrow view of seeing things and life is not like that. You are out of line for slamming Debbie like you just did. You have a tendancy to run off at the mouth. I saw in a previous post Debbie saying that whether or not Handel was a social conservative had nothing to do with the job she would do at the Secretary of State’s office. She is supporting Handel and Black. That really doesn’t like the person you described whose only criteria is whether or not someone is gay or believes in gay rights. I would imagine that you are such a miserable person that it gives you a thrill to attack others. You want to make others as miserable as you are. I don’t believe in gay marriage and I am not ashamed of that. I would not vote for any politican that supports it. I don’t , however, believe gays should be discriminated against. Bill, you don’t like opposing viewpoints and resort to insults and attacks to discourage them from posting. That is not going to work.

  29. larry smith says:


    Not to quibble, but if you could try organizing your thoughts before posting it would be most useful in responding.

    This staccato, stream of conciousness stuff is almost incoherent. And, I’m optimistic that you’re actually smarter than your apparent command of the English language would indicate. Please make an effort to prove me right … dealing with Reed supporters with IQs around 50 is just no fun!

    Thanks for your assistance.

  30. Philly says:

    Larry, Dealing with arrogant , egotisical jerks is no fun either so why don’t you give it a break?

  31. larry smith says:

    Philly, my friend, you’re going to have to develop a thicker skin than that, or this whole blogging thing is just going to raise your blood pressure.

  32. Bill Simon says:


    By me making observations on what I see (AND, read) from Debbie Ellis and other supporters of Ralph, and then putting them down in a coherent thought pattern (with PARAGRAPH breaks), I am making points so that people will think.

    It is not an attack to bring-up FACTS about who Debbie Ellis has supported in the past, who she does support now, and who she will support in the future.

    If you continue to whine about my comments being “attacks,” personal or otherwise, I will simply start ignoring your posts and chalk you up to either being a pussy or a complete idiot.

  33. Demonbeck says:

    Philly said,
    April 13, 2006 @ 2:17 pm
    “You have a tendancy to run off at the mouth.”

    Here you go, Philly.

    Paragraph Development

    How do I decide what to put in a paragraph?
    Before you can begin to determine what the composition of your paragraphs will be, you must first understand what the controlling idea in your specific piece of writing is. What is the main point or expression that you are trying to convey to your reader? The information that comprises your paragraphs should always have a relationship to this controlling idea. In other words, your paragraphs should remind your reader, at every possible point, that there is a recurrent relationship between your controlling idea and the information in each paragraph. The controlling idea functions like a seed through which your paper, and your ideas, will grow. The whole process is an organic one–a natural progression from a seed to a full-blown paper where there are direct, familial relationships between all of the ideas in your paper. Once you have decided what your controlling idea will be, then you should choose information that will help to support and perpetuate that idea throughout the entire paper. That information takes the form of sentences that comprise each paragraph of your paper.

    The decision about what to put into your paragraphs, ultimately, begins with the germination of a seed of ideas. This “germination process” is better known as the process of brainstorming. Whatever the topic of your paper may be, it is always a good idea to think about all of the issues that surround your topic and the ultimate goals that you want to express. This process can take on many forms. What form you choose will depend heavily on your style or approach to writing in the pre-writing stage of your writing process. For some writers, the key is writing down all of the relevant issues in a series of phrases or words that express some greater idea. For others, this process involves a collection of information in the form of sentences. Whatever your method for prewriting, this part of paragraph development cannot be avoided. Often, these prewriting efforts become the first signs of development. Building paragraphs can be just as involved as building a major skyscraper: there must be a careful foundation that supports each paragraph just as there must be a careful foundation that supports each building. Any cracks, inconsistencies, or other corruptions of the foundation can cause the whole paper to crumble.

    Every paragraph in a paper should be

    Unified – The sentences should all refer to the main idea, or thesis, of the paper (Rosen and Behrens 119).
    Coherent-The sentences should be arranged in a logical manner and should follow a definite plan for development (Rosen and Behrens 119).
    Well-Developed – Every idea discussed in the paragraph should be adequately explained and supported through evidence and details that work together to explain the paper’s controlling idea (Rosen and Behrens 119).

  34. debbie0040 says:

    Philly, you must realize that Larry’s brain can only comprehend a few sentences at a time so try to break it up in paragaphs for him.

    Bill, I don’t consider either one liars. If I thought either one were up to no good, I would not be supporting them.

    I am against gay marriage and don’t make any bones about that. I used to have a lesbian room mate years ago, so I am not homophobic. Don’t try to infer otherwise.

    I have debated gay activists about gay marriage and they consistently refer to Christians as terrorists.

  35. debbie0040 says:

    Demonbeck, I like Philly’s writing so lay off. You have an arrogance about you. Are you a State Senator?

  36. Bull Moose says:

    State Senator and Lt. Governor candidate Casey Cagle today welcome the support of 65 additional elected officials to his team, bringing his total number of endorsements by Georgia elected officials to 267. Cagle has previously announced endorsements from 23 state senators, 41 state representatives, 21 sheriffs, 42 county commissioners and numerous other elected officials. By contrast, Cagle’s opponent – lobbyist Ralph Reed – has announced the support of only a handful of elected officials.

    Additionally, five former members of Ralph Reed’s Statewide Steering Committee announced today that they are backing Cagle. All told, 14 Reed Steering Committee members have asked to have their names removed from the list and are fully backing Cagle.

    “Georgia’s elected officials understand how important it is to elect conservative leaders our citizens can trust. I am proud to have the strong support of these leaders and the grassroots political networks they will be engaging for our campaign in their communities,” said Cagle.

    The elected officials endorsing Cagle today are:

    Representative Henry Geisinger (Roswell)

    Representative Martin Scott (Rossville)

    Representative Ron Stephens (Savannah)

    Representative Steve “Thunder” Tumlin (Marietta)

    District Attorney David McDade (Douglas County)

    Sheriff Wayne Bennett (Glynn County)

    Sheriff Bobby McLemore (Ben Hill County)

    Sheriff Eddie Mixon (Haralson County)

    Sheriff Howard Sills (Putnam County)

    Chairman Brian Anderson (Whitfield County)

    Chairman Charlie Bishop (Bibb County)

    Chairman Rod Casey (Lowndes County)

    Chairman Carlton Corbitt (Ware County)

    Chairman Eddie Freeman (Spalding County)

    Chairman Alvin Long (Gordon County)

    Chairman Greg Tarbutton (Coweta County)

    Sole Commissioner David Wills (Webster County)

    Commissioner Judy Bailey (Gordon County)

    Commissioner Joe Cornelius (Ware County)

    Commissioner Ester Fleming (Newton County)

    Commissioner Rick Gardner (Bibb County)

    Commissioner Chuck Horton (Oconee County)

    Commissioner Terrell Hudson (Dooly County)

    Commissioner Deborah Hutcheson (Lumpkin County)

    Commissioner Jim King (Dawson County)

    Commissioner Karen Mahurin (Cherokee County)

    Commissioner Harry Johnston (Cherokee County)

    Commissioner Elmo Richardson (Bibb County)

    Commissioner David Stevens (McIntosh County)

    Commissioner Tony Thaw (Glynn County)

    Commissioner Stanley Thomas (Madison County)

    Commissioner Roger Waldrop (Polk County)

    Commissioner Leo Whaley (Whitfield County)

    Commissioner David Young (Dade County)

    School Board President Gail Dean (Fulton County)

    School Board Member Mark Banks (Muscogee County)

    School Board Member Fife Whiteside (Muscogee County)

    Mayor Tommy Allegood (Acworth)

    Mayor Curtis Lewis (Rockmart)

    Mayor Jimmy Pace (Forsyth)

    Mayor Mark Reed (Baldwin)

    Mayor Ken Steele (Fayetteville)

    Mayor Pro-Tem Tommy Young (Adairsville)

    Councilman Will Britt (Statesboro)

    Councilman Jimmy Burnette (Suwanee)

    Councilman Jeff Edgens (Irwinton)

    Councilman Steve Edwards (Sugar Hill)

    Councilman Mitchell Gailey (Baldwin)

    Councilman Donnie Henriques (Woodstock)

    Councilman David Little (Hartwell)

    Councilman Nick Thompson (Sugar Hill)

    Councilman Ken Vance (Milledgeville)

    Solictor General Markette Baker (Troup County)

    Tax Commissioner Tommy Ferrell (Coweta County)

    Tax Commissioner Sylvia Hollums (Spalding County)

    Tax Commissioner Patricia Malcolm (Walton County)

    Tax Commissioner Andy Pipkin (Henry County)

    Court Clerk Jay Stephenson (Cobb County)

    Court Clerk Kathy Keesee Trost (Walton County)

    Additionally, Cagle earned the endorsements of four police chiefs: Ken Brown of Georgia Southern University, Tim Callahan of Kennesaw, Randall Moon of Oakwood, and Roy Whitehead of Snellville.

    The individuals listed on Reed’s Statewide Steering Committee who announced their support for Cagle are Brian Dart of Statesboro, Donovan Head of Marietta, Martin Sullivan of Savannah, Gerald Smith of Americus and Chairman David Wills of Preston.

  37. larry smith says:


    I’ve gotta tell you … if you ever endorsed my writing, I think I’d have to pack it up and repeat elementary school for the next five years.

  38. larry smith says:


    Nice post. Now we’ll get to see Debbie et al rail on about how endorsements don’t matter today since it is Casey receiving them.

    I do have a question … is there a single member of Casey’s team who has switched to Ralph’s side?

  39. Demonbeck says:

    debbie0040 said,
    April 13, 2006 @ 2:43 pm

    Demonbeck, I like Philly’s writing so lay off. You have an arrogance about you. Are you a State Senator?

    Nope, just a college graduate.

  40. debbie0040 says:

    I see one name, Donovan Head, that I KNOW was never on Ralph’s Steering Committee. He is with the TARS and not out of High School or eligible to vote.

    I agree endorsements matter and I am relieved at the list presented. I thought from the way you guys talked, Isakson or the Governor would endorse Cagle. Whew!! Ralph will have his own list and Cagle still does not have the big names like Reed does. Looks like the same list that endorsed Kemp and Stephenson.

    In a side note, every elected official in Cobb County endorsed Lamutt and Price still won the election.

    I do know many activists sitting on the fence that have come over to the Reed camp in the past few weeks. Especially pastors…

  41. debbie0040 says:

    Demonbeck, how do know he is not? I get it, you think all Reed supporters are backwoods hillbillies. Let’s match IQ’s.

  42. larry smith says:

    Debbie has once again lowered the bar — even for her, which is an achievement — by questioning the integrity of a teenage Republican. Hope she’s proud of herself.

  43. Jimbo says:

    That endorsement list is a no brainer. Most of the local elected officials endorsed State Senators running in statewide races. State Senators that influence local money and projects. Get the picture? The same group endorsed Stephens over Handel and Kemp over Black.

    Larry, She did not question his integrity. She merely stated facts. Everytime you open your mouth, Larry, you lower the bar.

  44. Demonbeck says:


    I don’t know if Philly is a college graduate or not. If he is, he most certainly was not an English major.

    I also do not think all Ralph Reed supporters are backwoods hillbillies. I do believe that most of them haven’t thought for themselves since after Reagan’s second election.

    I would be happy to match IQs with you. Can I bring my son? He loves matching games.

  45. Bill Simon says:


    In case you didn’t know, the state of Georgia had a vote on gay marriage in 2004…and, the vote was that gay marriage shall not be recognized by this state or its inhabitants. The vote was also to amend the Georgia Constitution so that it would VERY difficult to repeal such a law.

    So, IF you can comprehend what I just said, SHUT THE F*** UP ABOUT “GAY MARRIAGE” IN THIS STATE!!!!!

  46. larry smith says:

    Casey Cagle has endorsements from about 300 elected officials in Georgia, including solid majorities of the GOP caucuses in both Houses of the legislature. And Bill Elliott. And Mike Bowers. And Nathan Deal. So far, Ralph has:

    1) Zell Miller — wishes he hadn’t done it, and isn’t returning Ralph’s phone calls anymore.

    2) Sean Hannity — bigger fish to fry.

    3) Some has-been activists who are no longer very active.

    4) Lynn Westmoreland — probably Ralph’s most useful endorsement, but he’s reading the writing on the wall at this point and isn’t doing much.

    5) Maybe a dozen or so elected officials.

    6) The mysterious imaginary pastors Debbie won’t name, because they don’t exist.

    Does that about cover it?

  47. larry smith says:


    Thanks for the offer, but I’m not really into arranging meetings with strange guys by e-mail (not that there’s anything wrong with that if you are).

  48. larry smith says:

    Yeah, true. I let the similarities in playground taunting distract me from the differences in grammar.

  49. debbie0040 says:

    Larry, Ralph has more than that. Jimbo has a good point, what is so suprising about the fact elected officials endorse someone that helps control state spending and what projects are approved?

    I guess you are also supporting Stephens and Kemp because they received similar endrosements.

    Demonbeck, you can bring your son and I will bring my Chihuahua, ChiChi. ChiChi loves to engage in a battle of wits, but I don’t how she would feel about fighting an unarmed man.

  50. larry smith says:


    1) Actually, I haven’t made my mind up about SOS and plan to vote for Black in Ag.

    2) Casey is keeping his term limits pledge and is done serving in the Senate. I am sure the elected officials supporting him are aware of this.

    3) So, who else does Ralph have? Give me names.

  51. Bill Simon says:

    Fine, Debbie, go become a lawyer and fight the lawsuit. Your “wish” doesn’t mean squat when a lawsuit is filed and a judge is making a decision on matters of law.

  52. Demonbeck says:



    Try MySpace instead.

  53. Demonbeck says:

    “I will bring my Chihuahua, ChiChi. ChiChi loves to engage in a battle of wits, but I don’t how she would feel about fighting an unarmed man. ”

    I’m rubber, you’re glue. Whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you. Burn!

    Why does it not surprise me that a Reed supporter has a Chihuahua named ChiChi?

  54. debbie0040 says:

    Larry, we are on the same side in the AG race. I am supporting Handel in the SOS race. I am suprised you are not supporting Kemp, after all he had similar endorsements as Cagle.

    I am sure the elected officials are grateful for what Cagle “did” for them while a State Senator.

    Again, I bring up the point of the Sixth District Congressional Race. Lamutt had all Cobb elected officials and lost.

    In the Isakson/Milner race, Isakson had all the elected officials endorsements but Milner won the Primary.

    Some of the names to ponder:

    Newt Gingrich
    Mercer Reynolds
    Bob Nardelli
    Carolyn Meadows
    Sean Hannity
    Zell Miller
    Gov. Haley Barbour
    Eric Zeir
    Bo Callaway
    Congressman Lynn Westmoreland
    Rudy Guiliani

    He has signed up almost 6,000 volunteers and has steering committees in 110 counties

  55. Demonbeck says:

    Of those 11 endorsements, I can only name three that I am sure live in Georgia. Westmoreland, Callaway, and Miller.

    Haley Barbour may help you in Atlanta, but most of us Georgians could care less what the Governor of Mississippi thinks.

    Eric Zeier is a bulldog from the Goff era. Fondly remembered, never won the big game. Get back to us when you get Herschel, Vince or Erk.

    Mercer Reynolds – Some dude from Tennessee and Ohio – Big Pick up (rolls eyes)

    Bob Nardelli – Some Yankee that’s about to move The Home Depot’s headquarters to Southern Jersey (AKA Florida) – another big pick up

    Carolyn Meadows – I am certain that farmer Joe in Screven County is excited about her being on the Reed team.

  56. tobin smith says:

    When is qualifying? It isn’t too late for someone else to jump into the LG race is it? I nominate Sen. Shafer. He is the real brains behind Cagle anyway. Cagle would not have had the ambition to even consider this if Shafer had not pushed him. I want the real brains behind the throne. Sen. Shafer for LG! Then we can get to the real fight–a rematch of the chairman’s race from a few years ago. Then we can have real fun!!!

    Run David run! I don’t want Cassey Shafer. I want the real thing.

  57. Three Jack says:

    I kind of like the following ticket:
    Hayes, Cagle, Handel, McGuire, Kemp, Scheid.

    And since we’re rhyming…Screw Perdue, Better Days with Hayes.

  58. Karla Stuckey says:

    I’ve been in DC quite a lot lately and not back in the district, but I know most of our delegation seem to think things have turned back in Reed’s favor. Word here is that Reed is fine and there is nothing to charge him with.

    They also say Reed is pulling ahead in the polls that they have seen. Look for some other important Reed endorsements soon. We expect Reed to win this now. A White House staffer told me recently that they had been worried, but now felt better about Reed’s chances. There is a lot of good video for Reed to use with the President and VP. There is a lot of money available to him when he is ready to call it down.

    Sorry to the Cagle fans, but I think Reed wins.

  59. SouthernConservative says:

    Demonbeck, you should be able to pull down a Mccain endorsement for Casey, shouldn’t you?

  60. Karla Stuckey says:

    There are other ways the President and VP can be helpful behind the scenes without a formal endorsement. It is sort of beneath the President’s office to get involved in an LG race. But don’t think they aren’t paying attention, or don’t take their relationship with Reed seriously.

  61. SouthernConservative says:

    And no, Demonbeck isn’t a member, he’s a realtor that must be losing a dang lot of money because he’s blogging as three different people.

  62. Headin\' South says:

    I’m leaning towards Cagle pretty strongly. I think having Reed on the ticket would be enormously distracting and perhaps devasting.

    I definitely support Handel. She’s extremely qualified, and she has accomplished extraordinary things despite being in the minority on the Fulton County Commission. I’m not certain as to the allusion that she’s not conservative. I’ve known her for a while and am not aware of any basis for such an assertion.

    I’m undecided as to the other GOP primary races.

  63. tobin smith says:

    I just can’t support Casey Shafer. Reed is the guy unless Sen. SHAFER jumps in and we get the real thing.

  64. Demonbeck says:

    Southern Conservative has me confused with Bull Moose I think. I am supporting Cagle, Stephens and Kemp. Bull is for Cagle, Handel and Kemp (I think).

    As for your previous post, SouthernC, I don’t work for the Cagle campaign, but if I did, I would work to get Gov. Mark Sanford’s endorsement and Lindsay Graham’s endorsement and get them to get me John McCain’s endorsement.

    Karla, don’t worry, I don’t take Reed’s relationship with Bush seriously either. You think Bush wants any ties to Abramoff’s partner right now?

  65. debbie0040 says:

    Karla, that is great. People fail to realize the campaign has not got started good yet. People are really going to be suprised…

    Demonbeck you have forgotten how much Bush’s behind the scenes help effected the Chambliss Primary win? Make no mistake W supports Ralph. How do you think he gets all these high profile celebrities to speak at fundraisers for him?

    Cagle does have a celebrity endorsement, Bill Elliot. I mentioned that to someone and he asked me who Bill Elliot was. I will admit I know who he is but I am a # 24 Dupont Chevrolet fan myself.

  66. debbie0040 says:

    Independent Thinker, they did not have the other endorsements Reed has either. They did not have name recognition, either. Face it, Reed will win by around 15 %.

    Demonbeck, who do you think has a higher name recognition and higher favorability rating with voters? Their local elected officials or Zell Miller, Sean Hannity, Rudy Guilianni

  67. Jack S says:

    Ah, so we return to where we started. Whispers of pastors and mysterious white house staffers and oh, the DC people think Ralph is great.

    I’ll take a sheriff over anyone in DC anyday.

    It’s the damn DC gopers who have screwed our party royally, wasted our tax dollars, sold out our principles and in just 12 short years sank to the depths of corruption that it took Dems 40 years to acheive. excuse me if I could care less what some jerkoffs in DC think.

  68. debbie0040 says:

    Jack S you know a Pastor can not officially endorse a candidate in his capacity as pastor. That doesn’t mean they can not help out behind the scenes or that their wives can’t help out.

    If you guys think the religious folk have turned ther back on Ralph, then you will be in for a BIG suprise.

  69. Maurice Atkinson says:

    Debbie, you are so wrong. A pastor can endorse anyone he wishes to. Churches cannot endorse candidates if they want to keep their non-profit tax status.

    Karla, your credibility is severely diminished. Reed folks seem to continue to think the president is going to involve himself. It ain’t going to happen.

    I ran across this interesting story today: http://www.talk2action.org/story/2006/4/4/12525/63332

    “There’s been a low rumble of rumors that Reed will pull out in late April, when Georgia candidates officially file for office during “candidate qualifying week.” But few believe them. “He really can’t afford not to stay in,” says Charles Bullock, a political scientist at the University of Georgia. “He’s getting terrible press everywhere, and his consulting business is in bad shape. If he wins, it would raise his stock again. He can say, ‘Look, the people who know me best voted for me.'”

    Ralph has his work cut out for him.

    As far as the new endorsements are concerned. This is big news, especially in Middle Georgia. And it is ridiculous to infer that public officials are endorsing Cagle to get some state money. That is absurd. And, if that is the rationale for an elected official to endorse a candidate that it cuts both ways.

  70. Joeventures says:

    Back to the original question for a brief moment:

    Is it just me or does it seem that there are two strong and vocal camps forming?

    No, I don’t think that’s the case. The two camps are really soft-spoken.


  71. Philly says:

    Maurice, The Whitehouse is supporting Reed, don’t be so naive. Why do you think Reed was able to secure the speakers at fund raisers that he did?

    Remember the behind the scenes help Saxby was given?

    You are a very nice man and you are one poster that maintains his dignity, but you just can’t see the forest for the trees.

    If a Pastor wanted to tear their congregation asunder, then they can endorse someone. Who in their right mind wants to go through that? You have no idea what it is like .

    Charles Bullock predicted that Gov. Barnes would win by a wide margin.

    It is too far out for him to be making a statement like that.
    I can tell you with certainity that Reed will not drop out.

    The Cagle campaign has climaxed, the Reed campaign has not even begun to. Cagle is spending his money on balloons, staff, etc. Cagle started spending his money on these things last year around June. That is wasteful. Reed is wisely saving his money for campaign ads to start running just at the right time.

  72. larry smith says:

    Philly and Karla,

    You’re making yourself look foolish with this insistence that the White House is somehow pulling strings for Ralph.

    You can’t produce a shred of evidence for this claim, because none exists. It’s a figment of your imagination.

    The fact is that the White House has gone to great lengths to stay neutral in this race. Ralph is friends with one person there — Rove — but Cheney and Bush have no love for him. The fact that he was one of hundreds of paid staffers on their campaign may be impressive to some party activists in Georgia, but it doesn’t carry a large amount of weight in the WH. When Ralph calls the WH, they don’t even call him back. Add this to the fact that Ralph is one of the ten most radioactive scandal figures in DC, and I can guarantee you he is persona non grata at 1600.

    We can agrue about your points on campaign spending and the impact of endorsements, but please, stop wasting everyone’s time by insisting some mysterious White House support is going to save Ralph’s sinking ship.

  73. debbie0040 says:

    Larry, you are making a fool of yourself. The Whitehouse did not come out and endorse Saxby but they were pulling the strings behind the scenes.

    I attended town hall meeting in Smyrna last year. The Vice President was speaking about Social Security. Both Cagle and Reed were in the audience.

    Cheney made the statement, “I see my good friend of many years, Ralph Reed in the audience.” That really sounds like they is no love lost. I am quite sure there will be plenty of ads featuring just such statements from Cheney and Bush.

    You are a total idiot if you don’t think the Whitehouse supports Reed in this or returns his calls. You can’t be that stupid…

    The Whitehouse is not going to publicly endorse Reed, but they will behind the scenes , just like they were in the Chambliss campaign.

    All will be revealed…

    Cagle’s ship has already sunk, he just does not realize it yet.

  74. Bill Simon says:

    Well, Debbie, the more you talk about all of the people who (might) bolster Ralph Reed’s candidacy (i.e., celebrity politicians), the more I realize that Ralph really IS nothing but an empty suit who has no redeeming qualitites that he can promote about himself.

    He’s going to be like Bob Barr was in 2002 against John Linder. Bunny Bob had big-time endorsements from D.C. bigwigs. He had Charlton Heston come down and appear for him…he even had Ralph Reed working in the background on his campaign vis-a-vis Linda Hamrick and Ralph (as then state chairman) playing blocking dummy against Linder…AND, yet, Bob Barr lost his ass, 64%-32%.

  75. Mike from the Coast says:

    My ticket is Perdue, Cagle, Handel and Black.

    Cagle, Handel and Black are the best for the Governor.

    Cagle is from North Georgia and balances the ticket geographically.

    Handel helps in the Atlanta suburbs and with women.

    Black helps in the rural areas.

    Eric Johnson, Tommie Williams and Jerry Keen will carry the coast for the Governor.


    Debbie/Tobin, don’t get to comfortable the endorsments will come in waves ask Ralph he probably already knows some of them but tactically if he told you it would spark a massive retreat so just stay tuned this is going to be a fun ride in the lead car.Cagle 06 TRUE LEADERSHIP WILL PREVAIL

  77. debbie0040 says:

    You keep telling yourself that SouthernComfort 🙂
    All of you are invited to Ralph’s Victory Celebration.


    Debbie I’ii make a friendly wager with you I’ll come to the Reed party if you will come to the Cagle party and Kemp party since i will have to be @ both…I will send the directions to Gainesville and Athens maybe you could bring Tobin and you could drive Ralphie’s pickup before he turns it back in…man this is going to be too much fun!!!!

  79. debbie0040 says:

    If Cagle wins I will go to the Cagle party but you have to come to Reed’s party if he wins. I really don’t want to drive all the way to Athens. I have been to and through Gainesville on numerous occasions. I have friends that live in Hall and Forsyth Counties.

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