Immigration March.

There seems to be some confusion about the attendance at today’s “March for the Dignity of the Immigrant” in Doraville. The AP reports the crowd at 40,000, while the AJC reports it at between 5 and 10,000. A quick look at these photos from WSB lead me to think the number is closer to 40,000 than 10,000.

The crowds also seem to have learned from previous protests that prominently displayed Mexican flags. The photos I’ve seen of today’s rallies seem to feature mostly American flags.

So, what is the impact of these rallys on illegal immigration debate?


  1. Demonbeck says:

    My wife, being an immigrant herself, in an email to her loving husband, said this,

    “There will be a march in Atlanta today..I think. I am so pissed off! What part of “illegal” do they not understand. They are marching for protection and rights they have not even earned!!!!!!!!!!


    A smart man always stands by his wife, so I guess that about sums it up for me.

  2. GAWire says:

    Oddly enough, many Atlanta area businesses will experience a decline in productivity and revenue for today. For some reason they were mostly in the construction, agriculture, and manufacturing industries. 🙂

  3. This is probably as cold-hearted a comment as I will ever make, but I can’t help but wonder if the INS was turned loose in the crowd of protestors, how many of the protestors would get deported.

    By the way, this is the same thought I had when the Georgia Senate passed SB529, and the gallery was filled with “day-laborers”.

  4. Demonbeck says:

    The answer is none. The INS is the worst bureaucracy in all of Washington. It takes an illegal immigrant less time to naturalize than it does a legal one.

  5. debbie0040 says:

    Demonbeck, you and I are in complete agreement on this issue. I have a good friend from Romania and she has been in this country for over 15 years. Her sister has been trying to migrate to this country for over five years. Her sister actually has a college degree and teaches the disabled. She ended up going to Canada because she could not get in here.

  6. Demonbeck says:

    All she needs to do is walk across the border and demand rights. Just think about it, she wouldn’t even have to pay for health care or pay taxes!

  7. Demonbeck says:

    Latinos divided on immigration issue

    Contrary to scenes of hundreds of thousands of united Latinos marching across the country in support of immigration reform, a sizable number of the ethnic group opposes the marches and strongly objects to illegal immigration.

    But their voices have largely been muffled by the massive protests, which will continue Monday as tens of thousands of demonstrators are expected to take to the streets of Tucson, Phoenix and other cities nationwide.

    They are voicing their support of a Senate bill that would give an estimated 11 million illegal immigrants living in the country a chance for U.S. citizenship.

    “That’s the objective of the marches — to give the impression that all Latinos are for allowing the illegals to become citizens,” said Phoenix resident Lionel De La Rosa. “Well, I’m not.”

    The 71-year-old Texas native and Vietnam veteran said he favors punitive measures more in line with the immigration bill passed by the U.S. House in December that would have made it a felony to be in the United States illegally.

    “I’m for that 100 percent,” he said. “As far as my Latino friends are concerned, they all agree on this.”

    A 2005 survey by the Pew Hispanic Center found that Latinos in general have favorable attitudes toward immigrants and immigration.

    But when it comes to illegal immigration, significant numbers have negative views of illegal immigrants.

    The survey found those feelings are strongest among middle-class and middle-age U.S.-born Latinos.

    And though 68 percent of Latinos said they believe illegal immigrants help the economy by providing low-cost labor, nearly a quarter felt illegal immigrants hurt the economy by driving down wages.

    U.S.-born Latinos looked even less favorably toward illegal immigrants than foreign-born Latinos.

    More than a third of U.S.-born Latinos said illegal immigrants hurt the economy, compared with just 15 percent of foreign-born Latinos.

    Latinos also are divided over whether to allow illegal immigrants to earn citizenship. the survey found.

    Though 88 percent of foreign-born Latinos favored allowing illegal immigrants to earn citizenship, a smaller number of U.S.-born Latinos, 78 percent, said illegal immigrants should be allowed to do so.

    Though views such as De La Rosa’s are common among Latinos, they are rarely reflected among Latino leaders, said Steven Camarota, research director at the Center for Immigration Studies, a Washington, D.C. think tank that favors greater restrictions on immigration.

    “It’s easy to tap into the views of the intellectual class, but harder to tap into the views of the common folks,” he said.

    And because so much of the debate over illegal immigration comes off as anti-Hispanic, Latinos who favor greater restrictions on immigration are often reluctant to speak out.

    “That’s extremely off-putting,” Camarota said. “Whatever their views, they keep it to themselves.”

    Many Latinos fear being ostracized for their negative views of illegal immigrants, said Phoenix resident Frank Barrios, 64.

    “There are a lot of Hispanics that are upset about the illegal just the same way as the Anglo population,” said Barrios, a third-generation Mexican-American who traces his family’s roots in Arizona to the 1870s. “That group is larger than many people would believe.”

    South Phoenix resident Elsie Orta said she has no plans to participate in Monday’s march in Phoenix.

    “Other Hispanics have told me to go to the demonstrations,” said Orta, 55, who said her mother is from New Mexico and her father’s family traces its roots to Spain. “I think it’s hurting them.
    They’re making a fool of themselves.”

    The Phoenix native believes Arizona is under siege by illegal immigrants who speak Spanish, use public services and take jobs away from citizens. Illegal immigrants, she said, should be deported.

    “They want us to cater to them all the time,” she said. “They’re coming over here, they’re taking our jobs. And now, everything has to be in English and Spanish? I don’t think so. They need to go back.”

  8. jacewalden says:

    Could it be? A thread in which everyone agrees?

    Let’s not ONLY blame INS on this. I think I’ll also blame congress, for not doing a DAMN thing about immigration…Bush, for actually thinking a “guest worker” program will work (even though there is no historical example that would even partly support that…unless you count forced labor)…The AFL-CIO for supporting Amnesty to fill union ranks…And, well, the INS for being completely inept.

    I’m with ANDREinATLANTA on this one. INS should have cordoned off that area, and deported about 20,000 people.

    There is only one way to deport 11 million illegal aliens:

    ONE AT A TIME!!!

  9. debbie0040 says:

    Dittos Jacewalden
    Check out and

    Texas Sheriffs Tell Congress of War at Border
    By: Ivy J. Sellers
    Posted 04/05/06
    05:18 PM

    Sheriffs from counties along the U.S.-Mexico border in Texas say the daily battle with illegal immigrants continues to escalate.

    Illegal immigrants trying to get across the border “are getting so bold as to try to run over officers, assaulting officers,” said Sheriff Arvin West of Hudspeth County. “They’re definitely out gunning us, out manning us and the sophistication that they’re using is beyond our capabilities at this point.”

    West, along with four other sheriffs and a representative of the Texas Border Sheriff’s Coalition, came to Washington, D.C., to discuss the situation with Congress today. Rep. Michael McCaul (R.-Tex.), who represents their district, actively participated in the discussions. Following the presentation of a video clip documenting the terror along the border, McCaul said he couldn’t believe what he had seen.

    “Rocket-propelled grenades, heavy machine gun fire, many bodies lying in the street — you’d think you’re looking at the streets of Baghdad and yet it’s right across from our border in Texas,” he said. “This bleeds over into our country and that’s why it’s so critical to secure our border.”

    Sheriff Rick Flores of Webb County oversees the city of Laredo, which, he says, “is probably the hottest spot in terms of violence.”

    “These people pretty much have taken control of the border and they’re expanding it to New Mexico and Arizona,” Flores said. “They want to take control of the whole border, and they pretty much have control right now.”

    Flores continued: “Since they already have an infrastructure in place, what we’re concerned about is potential terrorists making their way through Mexico. We’ve already got some intelligence that they’re making their way through Mexico, using Mexico as a jump board as they’re making their way into the United States.”

    Asked by HUMAN EVENTS if any of the men had seen an evidence of al Qaeda-related terrorists entering the U.S. while patrolling the border, Rick Glancey of the Texas Border Sheriff’s Coalition said that information must be kept confidential as ongoing investigations are currently taking place.

    “But I will say this to you … [earlier] this year, [Robert] Mueller (director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation) made reference to the fact that there were some Iraqis that were intercepted trying to make their way into the United States,” Glancey said. “If someone from the federal government in law enforcement is telling you that, then I think all the stories you’re hearing from members of Congress, and maybe members of the U.S. Senate, will put you in the right line of what we’re having to deal with.”

    In response to questions about the practicality of a fence, Flores said a physical barrier along the border, such as the one in San Diego, would be helpful only in certain areas of Texas.

    “The reason they’ve got a wall [in California] is that because it’s no man’s land,” he explained. “Well, in Texas it’s a little different — you know the border — people own land along the border. It’s very difficult for you to come in there and say, ‘You know what, we’re going build a wall,’ when these people use the river for irrigation and to water their cattle. They are looking at a virtual wall which is technology and that’s worked out really great.”

    More than anything, the sheriffs would like to see H.R. 4360, the bill passed by the House in December, fully funded.

    The bill designates local sheriff’s offices as the second line of defense along the border, allowing them to come to the assistance of United States Customs Border Protection (CBP) and Immigration and Customs Enforcement. But it has yet to be approved for funding.

    And, according to Flores, that’s what they are waiting on.

    “We have to improve our resources — and I’m talking about local law enforcement and that’s the reason why we’re here is because we have to assist federal agencies and the thing is that local law enforcement has never received any support and the Texas-Mexican border has been neglected for a very long time,” he said.

    UPDATE — April 7: Rep. Jack Kingston (R.-Ga.) has pictures of the sheriffs on his blog.

  10. jacewalden says:

    See, that’s what’s proponents for illegal immigration would like to have people forget–that it isn’t about race. We have a legitimate concern and an inherent right to secure our borders.

    I really don’t like Carlos Mencia, but he said something funny on his show:
    “Have you been to Mexico lately? There aren’t any Mexicans there!”

    The humor in that statement is tragic.

  11. debbie0040 says:

    It is racist to allow illegals immigrants to have guest worker status and stay in the U.S.(overwhelming majority are from Mexico and Central America) and to force people from the European, African and Asian countries to abide by the immigration laws.

  12. buzzbrockway says:

    I’m sure any guest worker program would include everyone.

    When I was in DC a few weeks ago there were hunders of people wearing shirts saying “legalize the Irish.” I asked one of them what it was about and he said “there are 50,000 hard working, law abiding, undocumented, Irish in America, and we want to be legalized.”

    The Irish have their own website
    where you can buy “Legalize the Irish” t-shirts. 🙂

  13. debbie0040 says:

    The Guest Worker Program just drives down American wages. You are going to have to go after the employer that knowingly hires them. Take away their reasons to come here illegally. What is really frightening about the whole unsecure borders thing is that the man that is leading Fox in the polls for President of Mexico is a Communist and he is not friendly toward the United States.
    Check out Middle America News. Phil Kent has a very interesting article.

  14. TigerLily says:

    The Mexican Restaurant down the street from us was closed. Boy was my husband ticked….

    (I am not joking)

  15. debbie0040 says:

    We need to have a rally and show our voter ID cards. Let politicians know that the voters are against amnesty. You can take amnesty, rename it to guest worker program but in the end it still stinks the same.

  16. Three Jack says:

    I only wish there was as much anger directed toward the tens of millions of “legal” citizens on welfare, food stamps, medicaid and other government redistribution programs. 95% of the illegals come here to work whereas the majority of legals living off of the wealth of others would rather jump off a cliff versus getting a job.

    Here’s a thought, let’s send the welfare freeloaders to Mexico in exchange for productive Hispanics…trade citizenship status. The freeloaders will fit right in with Vincente Fox’s Mexican society.

  17. debbie0040 says:

    Three Jack, you need to do your homework. Are you naive enough to think that the illegal hispanics that come here to work for low wages don’t use government services? I would advise that you go visit a hospital emergency room on weekends or the local county health department. And then there is the cost to taxpayers to educate illegals children and the free lunch program at school. And the cost to teach them English.

  18. jacewalden says:

    Okay, this is only partially related but here’s a question to everyone:

    What are your views on completely eliminating income tax, federal and state? (BTW Rep. Steve Davis is proposing to eliminate State income tax…it’ll be a hot topic next session). As far as I can tell, it would be a great idea. Just increase sales tax to cover the losses. That way EVERYONE pays their own way. Even illegal aliens have to buy beer in the convenient stores.

  19. spaceygracey says:

    Jeez, do I have to say it again? White people LOVE illegals from Mexico! They make us fat, rich and lazy since they cook, clean, care for our kids, and do the manual labor in our factories, housing developments, landscaping companies, etc.

    Don’t know why you’re all getting on your high horse so about this, unless you’re the (sour grapes) not reaping all the cash illegals sure can generate.

  20. kspencer says:

    A question: If you were pulled over by police and asked to prove you’re a citizen, not an illegal immigrant, what do you carry to avoid arrest and eviction?

    No, I’m sorry, the color of your skin is immaterial as only about 85-90% of the “unauthorized resident population” (USCIS aka INS label) comes from central and south America. And equally important, no less than 80% (using the highest estimate of unauthorized residents from Central and South America, not US government numbers) of hispanics in the US are here legally. Heck, depending on the source between 60 and 75% are citizens.

    So once more, what do you carry to prove you’re a citizen of the US, and not an illegal immigrant?

    And when did “Show me your papers” become an acceptable phrase and no longer what we sneered about in the USSR and 1940’s Germany?

  21. debbie0040 says:

    If you are pulled over by the police you are not asked to prove citizenship. You are asked to show your driver’s license. If you are in this country legally , you are asked to provide ID when your rent a dvd, cash a check, etc. If you are here legally, you have ID to provide.
    Jacewalden, I vote yes on eliminating both Federal and State income tax.

  22. True Conservative says:

    Last estimate, one penny in sales tax is a billion dollars of revenue for the state. I am sure it has increased now, that was the estimate when Sonny was raising taxes, He did not want to take the sales tax option because he said it was to much money, and the state was only 300 million short.

  23. kspencer says:

    Debbie0040, you missed the point of my comment – I hope from poor writing on my part, but still…

    Folk above were wanting the CIS (was INS) to demand proof of citizenship or lawful residency (green cards, etc) of all the marchers above – and probably of many of the onlookers. The law of the land says the only time you’re required to have your license on you is when you’re driving. I know I said “when police pull you over,” but let me be more accurate. If you’re riding with a friend and that friend gets pulled over, are you prepared to show your driver license as well? Effectively what’s being demanded by the above is that you must have proof of legal residency with you at all times – and since minors can be illegal residents you’d better ensure your kids are prepared for that as well.

    I find the idea that I can be arrested and held because I don’t have my driver’s license with me abhorrent. That it’s unlikely because my skin’s the ‘right’ color is immaterial – “do unto others” applies.

    A correction to my earlier post is necessary – I’d forgotten that Georgia requires proof of citizenship or legal residency to get a license or ID. Birth certificates are allegedly amazingly easy things to forge, but it’s still a level beyond ‘no proof’. So every driver probably has their ID on them. Most of the time, anyway.

  24. kspencer says:

    Taking on the digression into taxes, I don’t think some folk have looked at it honestly.

    In fiscal 2005 (ended June 30, 2005) Individual Income Tax provided $7.3 billion of the state’s $14.7 billion tax revenues. The state sales tax – 4% – brought in $5.3 billion. To replace the IIT, then, you’d need a MINIMUM state sales tax of 9.51%. This assumes the economy (and subsequent sales) stays healthy.

    No, I didn’t include revenues from corporate income taxes. They totaled $712.3 million – a relatively paltry sum. Half a percent takes care of that – making for a 10% state sales tax.

    Don’t forget to add your local sales taxes. Up here in the northwest corner of the state that runs 3 to 4 percent depending on SPLOST, but in some places it’s as low as 2 percent. So 12 to 14% total sales tax to get rid of the IIT while maintaining what we’ve got.

  25. True Conservative says:

    And 1/3 of our taxes will be paid by people passing through. Sounds good to me, perhaps lets start promoting tourism more also.

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