Chip Rogers vs. Sam Zamarripa

Sen. Chip Rogers (R-Woodstock) is set to introduce a bill to encompass most of what the anti-illegal immigration folks want done. The AJC has an article about the bill. It appears the Senate debate will be led by Sen. Rogers with the opposition led by Sen. Sam Zamarripa (D-Atlanta). Here is a sampling of comments from the article:

“This is a very important issue to a lot of people and there are a million ideas out there about how to solve the problem,” Rogers said in an interview. “I felt that rolling all of this into one bill gives us the opportunity to bring everybody together and debate these five parts of the immigration problem.”

“This is a bill that affects everyone who enters into a relationship with someone who might be here illegally,” said state Sen. Sam Zamarripa (D-Atlanta), chairman of the Georgia Association of Latino Elected Officials. “I don’t think anybody will support this if they understand it.”

“I know there has been a lot of concern about a business having to be put in the position of policing immigration,” (Georgia Chamber President George) Israel said. “If someone has papers that are not legitimate and they’ve been through the I-9 [verification] process … then under federal law they are considered to have done due diligence.”

Ed Phillips, executive vice president of the Home Builders Association of Georgia, acknowledged there is a problem with illegal immigration in the state. “But the problem is they’re putting a job that belongs to federal immigration [officials] onto the backs of businesses,” said Phillips, who has not reviewed the legislation.

Rogers and supporters of get-tough legislation say they are acting because the federal government has failed to do so. “This problem was created over 25 years by the federal government not enforcing our borders,” Rogers said. “We in Georgia are not going to solve it overnight, but this is a good first step.”

On a related topic, I’m told that Sen. Chip Rogers will be addressing the Gwinnett County Republican Party this Saturday morning, and that D.A. King, potential independent challenger to Governor Perdue, will be addressing the Gwinnett GOP next Thursday night. These men are speaking as a part of the Gwinnett GOP’s “Immigration Awareness Month.” More information on Gwinnett GOP meetings can be found here.

18 comments

  1. John Konop says:

    State Senator Chip Rogers and I have participated in a series of public immigration forums sponsored by GALEO.org. The panel also included supporters of more liberalized immigration policies. At times, these discussions have been quite heated. In general, however, both sides agree that a root cause of our immigration problem is US trade polices that make Americans compete with $.50/hour overseas labor, often child-slave labor. Also, both agree that Congress has failed us on this issue.

    The AJC’s coverage of the most recent forum is available at:
    http://www.johnkonop.com/060201AJCDeKalbpanel.php

  2. 4ofspades says:

    Saw Chip on the panle at CC event. I think he has a good handle on the issue and some common sense ideas.

  3. Decaturguy says:

    What this demonstrates is that it is going to be very difficult to pass anything unless the Republicans want to piss off their base of business interests.

  4. GaMongrel says:

    This is a very important issue, but what can Ga. realistically do?

    The status quo is unacceptable.

    Manning the border is unrealistic.

    Kicking them all out tomorrow would hurt the state (but would save expenses from serving illegals)

    Amnesty is not right, they are here illegally.

    And tariffs on imports are the answer IMO.

    Illegals paid in cash don’t contribute to the state’s coffers via the income tax, (could we adopt a state fair tax/ditch the income tax? and give only Ga citizens a refund?)

    Work visas? That require a substantial monetary fee to acquire (and keep illegals from wanting to get one) or a minimal fee (that would not come close to offsetting their drain on our state infrastructure).

    I hope that our legislature can work on this issue constructively and not completely polarize over the issue. But I’m not holding my breath.

    Guess we’ll have to wait and see the details of the proposal next week.

  5. Melb says:

    I admit that Congress has ignored the issue in the past, but they are legitimately working very hard on the issue now. Do Georgia Republicans not have respect for their Congressional allies and the changes they are trying to make?? I think that we should see what changes are going to happen in Washington before we try to handle immigration at the state level.

  6. John Konop says:

    We can not have a work visa program without mandatory health
    insurance for immigrants. This is why we have 42.8 million Americans with no health insurance and 20 million or more immigrants with no health insurance. We are all paying for this.

    Also we can not have a visa program that pays immigrants 13k less a year for the exact same job. This has killed the tech sector for I.T. workers. We have 1 million I.T workers looking for jobs while 9 out 10 are filled by immigrants visa program. This policy is a race to the bottom.

  7. Swifty says:

    I’m still waiting for Rogers and DA King to go up to Vermont for a quickie marriage. Those two go everywhere together. Are they just BFF’s… or more???

  8. Melb says:

    9 out of 10, I know more than a few people involved in IT and I think you are overstating it a bit much. Especially if you are talking about workers in our own country. And bringing in people with technology skills if your figures are correct is not the worst this country could do, if bad at all.

    The biggest reason that 42.8 million americans don’t have health care is because they cannot afford it. Not because of money that may or may not be spent on health insurance for immigrants. To say that those small amount of people account for the health care crisis, hardly. I believe that you are trying to blame immigrants for all the problems in America right now. Here is some info from one of the Congressional Budget Office’s hearings on immigration by Holtz-Eakin.

    “It has benefits for the United States in the form of additional members of the labor force and the skills that they bring, and also their consuming patterns as households.”

    “Let me just say that the final impact, which has attracted so much attention, is the impact of immigration on wages of the native born. And it might seem obvious that the arrival of more workers would reduce their wages, but in the survey of the research, the CBO came to the conclusion that the ultimate impact is very difficult to quantify. And this is a tribute to the flexibility of the American labor market in which there are a variety of adjustments that can take place in response to an influx of immigration. Additional capital and incentives for the native born to acquire more education are two of those key adjustments. And the horizon over which one looks also matters, direct impacts versus those 10 years later. For either the foreign born or the native born, education is the dominant characteristic for success in the labor market. If you look, first, just at counting bodies, the striking fact is that the native-born population in the United States has a below replacement rate level of fertility, so that mechanically, in the absence of immigration, the population will not grow; in fact, it will decline.

    The characteristic that matters the most in the labor market is education, for example. The next generation (of immigrants) looked much more like the native born and as a result the skills that they will have are more dictated by what they do here than their country of origin.

    BOEHNER: Would my colleague yield for a moment? I want to get to the point of what Mr. Miller is bringing out here, just as a basis for where our economy is going in the future. We’ve got the largest generation in American history on the verge of retirement, and we’re going to live longer, healthier, more productive lives than any generation in history. But we’re followed by succeeding smaller generations of Americans. And if we’re going to see growth in our economy and growth in GDP, we don’t have a domestic labor force in order to support that. Is that the point that you’re making?

    HOLTZ-EAKIN: You’ve got three things going in to get more coming out. It’s people, capital and technologies. And if the labor force doesn’t grow, it’s going to be much more difficult to get comparable levels of overall economic expansion in the future.

    This is later.

    HOLTZ-EAKIN: The Social Security Administration has a fund where it has earnings records that it can’t match up with beneficiaries, either present or in the future, and the presumption is that fund reflects the contributions of those who are here illegally who are paying Social Security taxes, and it has accumulated over the years to be a large sum of money — over $400 billion.

    They later go on to say that one of the biggest problems is that the Federal government gets more that 2/3’s of the taxes collected by all immigrants, which is about 90 billion dollars a year — their figures not mine. And the state pay’s 3/4th the costs for all immigrants. So the problem is that the federal government is getting the money that would offset all the problems the states are having with immigrants.

  9. John Konop says:

    As far as health insurance , to think a company would want non- benefit outsourced overseas labor and illegal immigrants non- benefit labor to cut cost is not being realistic. The growth of the above practice since NAFTA and other trade deals , has increased the amount of Americans without healthcare and illegal immigrants.

    Also if we have a labor shortage why are wages not going up ?This is a new twist on supply and demand. Thanks jk

  10. Melb says:

    We have a labor shortage of low-wage jobs, American workers won’t work them and so they find immigrant labor and pay them even less than they would the American. And if they paid the American workers what they wanted then they wouldn’t be able to compete. By the way I am against NAFTA too.

    Also for that 9 out of 10 bullshit statistic you gave earlier.
    http://uscis.gov/graphics/shared/statistics/publications/FSEmployBasedLPR2004.pdf
    LPR’s admitted into the country that are computer/math scientists and technicians were 12,377. I hardly think that displaces 1 million American workers.

  11. Melb says:

    Oh, and zazona is total anti-immigrant bullshit, could you please back up your statements with credible resources???

  12. John Konop says:

    Melb,

    The source was AEA, posted on ZaZona site. Second they sited the # ‘s associated with the statistic. So if the # is wrong prove it.

    As far as Warren Buffet the original free trade argument was that NAFTA would lower illegai immigration, create trade surplus and raise wages in Mexico and America. Instead it has created the sell – out of America brick by brick. Tom Price and Congress sold us out to communist China after NAFTA , with CAFTA and not reforming WTO. Both parties would debate trade and immigration as one policy until it blew up. Read for yourself.

    http://www.issues2000.org/Celeb/Ross_Perot_Immigration.htm

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