Handel Enters

Karen Handel, long rumored to be a statewide candidate, has entered the race for Secretary of State against former Senate Majority Leader Bill Stephens.

Now we call all stop yelling at each other over the Lieutenant Governor’s race and focus on the Secretary of State’s race instead.

Interestingly, I have to use both hands to count the number of people who, in the past three days, have told me that they were going to back Stephens, but are now going to back Handel. All 8 of these people are, however, still backing Ralph Reed.

33 comments

  1. GAWire says:

    Today’s Political Insider said that Handel has already lined up Whit Ayres as consultant/pollsters and Marty Ryall as Campaign Mgr. Ryall, formerly of the LaMutt for Congress campaign.

  2. Booray says:

    The more I hear about Handel, the more I am stunned she is considered a serious candidate. After I heard about the chair thing, did some more Internet research and found this quote from Southern Voice magazine (the big Atlanta gay magazine):

    Handel is a member of Log Cabin Republicans and attends numerous gay events, including Atlanta Pride in June and a Human Rights Campaign barbecue in August.

    “I don’t think, perhaps as a party, [Republicans] have been as open-minded about things as we should have,� Handel said Monday. “Even though I’m a Republican, I don’t agree 100 percent with the things in the platform.�

    And WHO are those people who supported Reed that now support Handel over Bill Stephens?

  3. Erick says:

    Probably people who have never heard that quote. If Bill Stephens’s campaign gets it, look to be seeing it more and more. That is not good for Handel outside of Atlanta.

  4. Booray says:

    Some more interesting stuff on Handel:

    If you do an Internet search of her state contributions, only two show up – one to the Governor and one to Bill Stephens.

    Interesting…

    p.s. Also did search on Stephens – quite a few to many, many Republicans with one interesting contribution to Howard Mead…

  5. Bill Simon says:

    I continue to be amazed with the OBSESSION by Republicans on the sexual lives of other people. Really. If it wasn’t for the existence of gays and lesbians, Booray, would you have a reason to get-up in the morning?

  6. Tater Tate says:

    Bill, that’s over the top. Calm down and be real. If she is way out on that issue it will kill her in a Republican primary in GA. You know it and we all know it. That will trump Stephen’s negatives. Believ me, Stephens is glad she is in the race.

  7. Bill Simon says:

    “Calm down?” Tater, obviously you don’t know me. I’m quite the calm person. I’m also, unlike a lot of folks, quite the logic-oriented person. Which is more than I can say for a lot of people in politics.

    If Bill Stephens opens his mouth up regarding accusing Handel, or any other candidate, of something of which she is not, I’m going to be stuffing Bill’s mouth with his own manure, multiplied by a factor of 50.

  8. PeggyP says:

    Mr. Simon, what on earth are you talking about with that Turrets Syndrome-like “manure” comment? No one on this blog has been accusing Ms. Handel “of something of which she is not” and I’m sure Mr. Stephens won’t have to! Seems to me that, from her quotes in Southern Voice, Ms. Handel has given the world more than enough evidence that she has quite liberal leanings – something that surely won’t play well with the Republican primary crowd.

  9. Tater Tate says:

    Couldn’t have said it better PeggyP. Simon’s threats reveal a side of Republican politics that is far more negative, hateful, and harmful to our cause than anything done by RR or the conservatives Simon loves to redicule.

  10. Booray says:

    I’m surprised no one has commented on Handel giving one of her two donations to Bill Stephens. He’s such a bad guy and all… 🙂

  11. Bill Simon says:

    Peggy and Tater: All Karen Handel has supposedly (note use of the word “supposedly”) said is that she is not in 100% agreement with the Republican platform. In a party that claims to be a “big tent”, it’s amazing that people like you two are ready to go out on the FAR right whacko limb of assumptions that someone who does not think the platform is all it should be is a “liberal.”

    I doubt very seriously that either of you even know what a liberal is.

    By the way, keep-up with the vitriol…your comments are merely made all the funnier because you two are way too chicken to put your real name here.

  12. Bill Simon says:

    Speaking of Ralph Reed, I read in one of his blogs that he is traveling with his two sons and they are reading the latest “Harry Potter.” Based on my readings in the past from Sadie Fields (as well as conversing with her via e-mail), the Harry Potter books are akin to books written by the Devil.

    Seems kinda weird that Ralph would let his children be exposed to such Satan-based literature…

  13. Tater Tate says:

    My child is reading it now and I do not think it is “by the Devil,” but I respect the rights of parents to monitor what their children read and watch. We need more parents who take this seriously. I fail to see why you feel the need to insult them.

  14. Bill Simon says:

    Wow, Tater…you appear to have come from the left side of the aisle in your analysis of what people say. Everything you interpret from me is interpreted as an “insult.”

    During the 1990s, the Left developed quite the art of playing defense while painting anyone on the Right who pointed out the truth as a “meany.” Rush was labeled a “racist.” Newt and Bob Dole were labeled “mean old white men” by the whiny Left.

    To you, everything I say is an “insult” to someone. You remind me a LOT of the folks on the Left who wish to keep down the folks who dare point out the truth without taking a moment to figure out if it might “offend” (Gasp! No!) someone who hears it/reads it.

  15. albert says:

    If the allegations about Handel are true, she doesn’t stand a chance. It also seems the bricks are already being thrown at Stephens. I hope Handel stays in, it makes it that much more viable for McGuire.

    For the life of me I cannot figure why much of the political apparatus is not behind him. The man has a stellar reputation. He’s surrounded himself with people of high calibur and quality, and doesn’t have an arrogant bone in his body. He’s also a sincere fellow.

    He’s making his rounds across the state and I would imagine closer to the election you’ll see the normal campaign stuff.

    I would much rather elect someone who wants to do the job, and make a difference as opposed to someone who simply wants to get elected and use his/her office to propel them to another elected office.

    http://www.perrymcguire.com/index.phtml

  16. GAWire says:

    >>”””He’s surrounded himself with people of high calibur and quality, and doesn’t have an arrogant bone in his body. He’s also a sincere fellow.”””

    I’m not saying anything bad about this man, b/c I really don’t know him, but what you just described is, unfortunately, the typical loser in politics.

    And, also unfortunately, an office such as SoS or Lt. Gov ALWAYS serves as a stepping stone to a higher office. No one gets into politics saying they would like to serve as Secretary of State or Lt. Governor. Most, however, do agree that those offices are good ways to work yourself into a statewide executive office.

    You make good points; however, they are in an ideal situation, which rarely becomes reality in politics.

  17. jackson says:

    Why is Bill Simon on this Blog. Don’t you have your own, or is no one reading that?

    As far as Handel goes, like I have said on previous posts (Erick, are you listening 🙂 there is no way to tell who will support her. From what I hear, she is extremely liberal and I don’t see how that appeals to Cagle’s folks or Reed’s folks, not that that matters. My gut says with comments like hers, Bill Stephens has this thing in the bag.

  18. landman says:

    What concerns about this info if in fact it is true is why would SONNY not have known just how liberal she may be and why would he be pushing so hard to get her in a race?If it does turn out to be true ,then she will not gain any traction outside of the ATL..I guess we will have to wait and see if it is true or not!

  19. Tater Tate says:

    Bill, you seem to know Handel the best of any of us. Why do you support her over Stephens? Is it because she is more liberal socially? Is Stephens backed by the Christian Coalition? I would have thought Perry McQuire was more their guy with his ties to Chic Filet. You seem to hold some kind of grudge against Stephens and you have made some pretty bold acqusations if I take the charges of your earlier posts literally. You don’t want Republicans looking into bedrooms, but you seem to charge him in a similar way. Am I wrong?

  20. Bill Simon says:

    I will get to Stephens in a moment, Tater, but here’s a question to you: You seem to equate someone who doesn’t wish to mow-down homosexuals as being “extremely liberal.” Would you prefer the right to vote be taken away from people who are gay and Republican?

    I’m always fascinated with supposed “manly-men” who get worked-up in an absolute froth over the fact that A) there are homosexuals, and B) if anyone in politics bothers to treat them as human beings.

    You being from way down in South Georgia, I suspect you probably feel the same way towards black people and Jews as how you feel about homosexuals, right? You do not want to associate with that kinda folk, do you? C’mon, Tater…you can be honest here; after all, no one knows who you really are. You can speak from behind the white hood…

  21. Bill Simon says:

    With regards to Bill Stephens, I will detail when the time comes as to why he is singularly unqualified for this position. Voting for him for this position would be akin to voting for Kenneth Lay for this position. That is, financial managment is not something Mr. Stephens has one clue about, and I’m not willing to put him in charge of a multi-million dollar government budget.

  22. Tater Tate says:

    Bill,

    I’m sorry, but I can’t recall one thing that I have said that should lead you to the rant above. I have said nothing about taking away the right to vote for anyone and yet you conclude I belong to the Klan and hate African-Americans and Jews!!!??? No, you don’t know me, and perhaps you do not know the rest of Georgia outside of Cobb county either without resorting to stereotypes.

    But since you mention it, why do you think many in the Jewish community in Atlanta are supporting RR? I met his finance chair, Art Morris, from Atlanta who told me he was Jewish and described the support of the Jewish community for RR to me.

    And back to Handel–please reread my post and answer some of the questions I have posed. I think it is hard to refute the conclusion that if she does have the views previously stated about gays, then it will be hard for her to win a Republican primary. Whether you approve or not, that is not where most Republican primary voters are.

    I have concluded that it is unlikely that anyone can have a real dialog with you. Prove me wrong.

  23. albert says:

    “””what you just described is, unfortunately, the typical loser in politics.

    And, also unfortunately, an office such as SoS or Lt. Gov ALWAYS serves as a stepping stone to a higher office””””

    I wouldn’t agree at all. Arrogance in any form is an anathema to me. I know plenty of highly confident people who are not arrogant. I would say most of our legislators aren’t arrogant. As far as stepping stones,,, I haven’t been in Georgia long enough, but the SoS position is in itself, in my mind, probably as important as the executive branch. We elect a screw up to SoS and we as a state will in reality be in a mess.

    For me, there isn’t even a choice. Perry McGuire stands head and shoulders over the others. His life experiences, professional work, and previous public service as well as conservative positions uniquely qualify him.

    We’re still a year out.

  24. Bill Simon says:

    It is a fallacy to presume that because Art Morris and Bernie Marcus (who is also Jewish) support Ralph, then a majority of the Jewish comunity do as well.

    The questions you’ve posed don’t make any sense. What has Karen Handel stated about anything that leads you to conclude that she is “ultra-liberal” or, “too liberal?”

  25. PeggyP says:

    Mr. Simon, your most recent attack on Tater is very telling, I think. In a previous post – attacking him, again, of course – you wrote, “the Left developed quite the art of playing defense while painting anyone on the Right who pointed out the truth as a ‘meany.'” But now, you’re using those same lefty tactics by mindlessly categorizing anyone who disagrees with the legalization of gay marriage and the authorization of publicly-sponsored “parter” benefits as a gay-basher (oh, and racist and anti-Semetic, right?).

    I have noticed that many of your posts on previous threads have been lucid and thought-provoking. But, you are out on a crazy limb with this one. The simple fact that can’t be disputed (unless Ms. Handel tries to backtrack on her own published comments) is that she has a history of supporting publicly-financed gay partner benefits and even gay adoptions. I think an argument over the details of that issue is irrelevant to the central point that Tater and I have made numerous times: this stance will kill her in a Republican primary.

  26. Bill Simon says:

    PeggyP: THANK YOU for finally giving me what Karen Handle supposedly is for: “The simple fact that can’t be disputed (unless Ms. Handel tries to backtrack on her own published comments) is that she has a history of supporting publicly-financed gay partner benefits and even gay adoptions.”

    The published comments supposedly appear in a publication that, I presume, YOU wouldn’t be caught dead reading, much less quoting, Peggy. So, why do you believe them now?

    I looked on the Web for the quotes in Southern Voice..I was unable to locate them from a Google Search.

    However, this I know: there are times when people are “mis-quoted.”

    Furthermore, the enactment of the domestic partnership policies at Fulton County to which YOU refer were enacted during the time of Mike Kenn’s reign, and he voted against them.

    Peggy, you and Tater might not be aware that the Fulton County Commission has 7 commissioners that sit on it, 4 of whom are Democrat. In Fulton County, a simple majority wins in order to enact a policy. On the domestic partnership benefits policy, the majority of Democrats voted on the policy while 3 Republicans voted against it. Can you count? In your world, is 4 bigger or smaller than 3?

    Therefore, just because Karen Handel now sits in the MINORITY on a commission, that does not mean she supports everything the Commission does or has done, including domestic partnership rights. Get your facts straight before you go off on a hysterical rant about nonsense to which you have NO IDEA is valid.

    Now I see why you post anonymously. You don’t know jack about government or facts.

  27. PeggyP says:

    Mr. Simon. I’m not anonymous. My name really is Peggy. And perhaps you’d actually be employed as a real journalist and not some two-bit internet blogger if you had long ago realized that immature, unprofessional cut-downs don’t add up to valid arguments. Although you’ve been trying so hard at it! And, you’re wrong: I read “Southern Voice” (and even “David” and “Expo”) religiously!

  28. Bill Simon says:

    Thank you for recognizing me as someone who is not a “real journalist,” Peggy. I’ve never tried to be one, and, in fact, in more than one place on the Politicla Vine, I have a disclosure that reads like this:All material printed on this site is produced by Georgia Republican activists whose agenda is to deliver facts, information, humor, opinion and rumors in a satirical environment.

    Anything contained in this newsletter or on the Website should be treated as you would treat anything else you read off the Internet, in a newspaper…or off of the public bathroom wall: information that may or may not be true and/or may or may not be entirely accurate. The difference between us and your other everyday news sources is that we are upfront and honest about what we deliver.

    In short, I think I’ve been pretty upfront with the disclosure that the PV is not a “real journalism-based publication”, nor do I pretend to BE a “real journalist.”

    My argument about the Fulton County Commission was quite valid, Peggy, as seen by your inability to word an adequate rebuttal to the FACTS.

  29. Booray says:

    Mr. Simon, Peggy and other readers:

    Since I was the one who found the Southern Voice quotes that Mr. Simon questioned the existence of, I went back and located the entire stories again and am posting the relevant quotes (and the links to the stories) here so no one thinks I am making this up:

    “The Georgia Log Cabin Republicans threw its support behind Handel as soon as the campaign began, citing Handel’s continuing support of domestic partner benefits and gay adoptions.” Southern Voice 10/31/03

    http://www.sovo.com/2003/9-26/news/localnews/fulton.cfm

    “Handel is a member of Log Cabin Republicans and attends numerous gay events, including Atlanta Pride in June and a Human Rights Campaign barbecue in August. ‘I don’t think, perhaps as a party, [Republicans] have been as open-minded about things as we should have,’ Handel said Monday. ‘Even though I’m a Republican, I don’t agree 100 percent with the things in the platform.'” Southern Voice 9/26/03

    http://www.sovo.com/2003/10-31/news/localnews/election.cfm

    Now, if you agree with Ms. Handel, good for you. But most GA Republicans will not, and therefore Handel is completely unelectable even if you agree with her. Cathy Cox isn’t even that liberal.

  30. Bill Simon says:

    “The Georgia Log Cabin Republicans threw its support behind Handel as soon as the campaign began, citing Handel’s continuing support of domestic partner benefits and gay adoptions.�

    I don’t see a commentary by Karen Handel herself here, Booray. I read what someone else has inferred regarding her beliefs.

    “Even though I’m a Republican, I don’t agree 100 percent with the things in the platform.”

    Have any of you ever bothered to read the entire platform of the Repubican Party? There are lots of folks, conservatives, moderates, liberal Republicans, who don’t believe in the entire platform of the GOP. One doesn’t have to sign-on to the entire platform in order to serve as a Republican. This isn’t the Nazi Party, though I’m sure there are those who wish it to be.

    Booray, you need to find out for us which part of the platform Handel doesn’t agree with, not just ASSUME which part, based on your own beliefs. But, het, keep on quoting things and laying blame where there isn’t.

  31. Bill Simon says:

    The list of major Karen Handel supporters:

    Handel also announced the names of several prominent Georgians who are serving on her Finance Committee. Among those announced were; Fred Cooper, J. Neal Purcell, Carl Swearingen, Rayna Casey, John Williams, Mike Bowers, Guy Milner, Joe Rogers, and Charlie Loudermilk.

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